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On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts.
It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing.
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On June 02 2017 05:05 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:04 m4ini wrote:"While the rest of the world does little". The way understand it, is that literally the whole rest of the world actually does stuff, where as you just fucking announced that you wont. What the actual fuck? As in, US would have to cut more emissions than China? As a result more regulations on US than China over the next few years?
Eh? As in, that's what trump just described, which is retarded beyond belief. You are seeing how he got elected. By feeding the narrative that the US does everything and you are all garbage freeloaders.
Oh i know what trumpets think, it's not rocket science to figure out an isolationist bigot.
I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts.
So it's fundamentally unfair that one of the dirtiest countries in the world has to get its ass into gear? In what reality do you live?
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On June 02 2017 05:04 m4ini wrote:"While the rest of the world does little". The way understand it, is that literally the whole rest of the world actually does stuff, where as you just fucking announced that you wont. What the actual fuck? Show nested quote +As in, US would have to cut more emissions than China? As a result more regulations on US than China over the next few years?
Eh? As in, that's what trump just described, which is retarded beyond belief.
he wants to put the coal miners that he loves back to work!! put more coal on the market, that'll do the trick
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On June 02 2017 05:08 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:04 m4ini wrote:"While the rest of the world does little". The way understand it, is that literally the whole rest of the world actually does stuff, where as you just fucking announced that you wont. What the actual fuck? As in, US would have to cut more emissions than China? As a result more regulations on US than China over the next few years?
Eh? As in, that's what trump just described, which is retarded beyond belief. he wants to put the coal miners that he loves back to work!! put more coal on the market, that'll do the trick
Because clearly, competing with chinese coal will work out wonderful. Germany tried that. Didn't work out that well. Tariffs on chinese coal will only increase costs for the consumer, because the US simply can not get coal as cheap as china can. And as we just heard from the mouth of a trumpet, "increased energy costs are a nono".
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On June 02 2017 05:07 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing.
making it completely a symbolic gesture. I don't understand the blowback to this one, bunch of people want a reason to be mad I guess
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On June 02 2017 05:07 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:01 On_Slaught wrote:
Scott Pruit is an objectively bad human being. A little too smarmy in terms of delivery, but the rest of the content was basically right-on.
Oh I'm not even talking about the speech, tho this highlights it. He is a bad person in general.
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Kissing my Canadian citizenship today while relaxing in my wonderfully progressive state. lalalalala i can't hear you none of this is real.
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On June 02 2017 05:05 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 04:57 On_Slaught wrote:On June 02 2017 04:55 Danglars wrote:
"I was elected to serve Pittsburgh not Paris"
That one's sure to cause a lot of screeching.
"Redistribute wealth out of the United States into the Green Climate Fund ... all on top of America's existing foreign aid payments."
Ouch. You're right. I forgot this is a zero sum game and these issues are mutually exclusive. People who liked Obama rhetoric for eight years suddenly forgetting when the other side does it. I think Trump would characterize it as 'sad.'
there's a difference between rhetoric, and repeatedly lying to the american people and actively causing great suffering to them and the world.
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On June 02 2017 05:09 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing. making it completely a symbolic gesture. I don't understand the blowback to this one, bunch of people want a reason to be mad I guess
i mean it's not symbolic at all. there are actual consequences.
but even if it were, a completely symbolic middle finger to allies. and you don't understand why that's bad? and why, assuming it were symbolic (again it's not) why not NOT give your allies the finger instead?
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On June 02 2017 04:59 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +Majority of Americans in every US state supports Paris climate deal Trump is poised to withdraw from SourceAnd he wants to pull out because the people want it. Covfefe-realtiy.
This map needs to be everywhere. Even I didn't think he was this stupid. I mean I did think he was stupid enough to pull out of the agreement but I didn't think he had a majority in support of his actions literally nowhere.
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On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts.
in what way is it unfair to the US?
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On June 02 2017 05:09 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing. making it completely a symbolic gesture. I don't understand the blowback to this one, bunch of people want a reason to be mad I guess
After this speech I'd say the fucking treaty is your smallest of problems.
As Obama pointed out the states and cities will do just fine combatting CC without the ineffective federal government that's wound up in internal conflicts anyways.
They do it in other countries and the USA won't be an exception.
The problem is that goon.
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On June 02 2017 05:09 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing. making it completely a symbolic gesture. I don't understand the blowback to this one, bunch of people want a reason to be mad I guess
Because we told everyone else who signed on to fuck off, don’t need the agreement anymore because a new president is in town. Other countries do not like it when they work hard on agreements, spend political capital and then you walk away because you have a new president. They don’t want to make deals after that because they don’t want to plan around your fickle people. We gave our word and then we backed out. So the next deal everyone will wonder “is this deal good long term, or will some asshole promise to blow it up to win an election?”
The business community was planning on this agreement, deals were being made. People were working on plans, all which are up in the air now because Trump decided this thing was bad.
You seem to operate under teh impression that the world is willing to deal with our bullshit at all times. They are not, just like we are not willing to deal with theirs. That is why deals like this are normally off limits if the past administration agreed to them, but not any more.
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On June 02 2017 05:11 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 04:59 Artisreal wrote:Majority of Americans in every US state supports Paris climate deal Trump is poised to withdraw from SourceAnd he wants to pull out because the people want it. Covfefe-realtiy. This map needs to be everywhere. Even I didn't think he was this stupid. I mean I did think he was stupid enough to pull out of the agreement but I didn't think he had a majority in support of his actions literally nowhere.
But is this majority going to act to pressure him? Otherwise he can simply not give a damn...
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On June 02 2017 04:56 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 04:55 LegalLord wrote:On June 02 2017 04:50 CorsairHero wrote:
Well i guess Musk is leaving the advisory council Too bad. Those two walking egos certainly belonged together. But I guess Trump didn't give enough handouts to make it worth his while. At least Musk knows a bit of Science and wants to implement it. If I could pick between two showmen I know which one I would prefer.
As far as I'm concerned Musk is a con man masquerading as an innovator to rack up subsidies. The only reason he cares about Paris is for the benefit of his own business. He and Trump are two of a kind.
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On June 02 2017 05:11 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:05 Danglars wrote:On June 02 2017 04:57 On_Slaught wrote:On June 02 2017 04:55 Danglars wrote:
"I was elected to serve Pittsburgh not Paris"
That one's sure to cause a lot of screeching.
"Redistribute wealth out of the United States into the Green Climate Fund ... all on top of America's existing foreign aid payments."
Ouch. You're right. I forgot this is a zero sum game and these issues are mutually exclusive. People who liked Obama rhetoric for eight years suddenly forgetting when the other side does it. I think Trump would characterize it as 'sad.' there's a difference between rhetoric, and repeatedly lying to the american people and actively causing great suffering to them and the world.
Right. This was rhetoric, and very effective. The other is what liberals try to diminish by lying themselves.
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In other news, Li Keqiang seems stoked to work together with germany/europe, even brought a free trade agreement on the table which Merkel actually didn't seem negative towards.
What presidents of the united states built in around 70 years, trump quite literally destroyed in 130odd days (and will take decades to get back on track). How someone could look at that and keep lying to himself how great everything will be is just beyond me. A president that doesn't see how important international influence is, did that even ever happen before?
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On June 02 2017 05:15 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 04:56 Yurie wrote:On June 02 2017 04:55 LegalLord wrote:On June 02 2017 04:50 CorsairHero wrote:
Well i guess Musk is leaving the advisory council Too bad. Those two walking egos certainly belonged together. But I guess Trump didn't give enough handouts to make it worth his while. At least Musk knows a bit of Science and wants to implement it. If I could pick between two showmen I know which one I would prefer. As far as I'm concerned Musk is a con man masquerading as an innovator to rack up subsidies. The only reason he cares about Paris is for the benefit of his own business. He and Trump are two of a kind.
assume this assessment is correct. (i hate him too, but i'll be damned if his cars aren't cool af, and frankly surprised if Tesla isn't the first to get self driving cars mass marketed and produced)
would him taking Tesla and spacex to another country be a net gain of this decision? together alone they're worth several billion.
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On June 02 2017 05:14 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:09 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing. making it completely a symbolic gesture. I don't understand the blowback to this one, bunch of people want a reason to be mad I guess Because we told everyone else who signed on to fuck off, don’t need the agreement anymore because a new president is in town. Other countries do not like it when they work hard on agreements, spend political capital and then you walk away because you have a new president. They don’t want to make deals after that because they don’t want to plan around your fickle people. We gave our word and then we backed out. So the next deal everyone will wonder “is this deal good long term, or will some asshole promise to blow it up to win an election?” The business community was planning on this agreement, deals were being made. People were working on plans, all which are up in the air now because Trump decided this thing was bad.
What, we had an an election. An unexpected candidate won. How is a country supposed to "keep it's word" when it's government radically can change every 4 years.
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