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On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts.
I'm still looking up the numbers right now but assuming US is the largest polluter of greenhouse gases by a large margin, you don't think it's worth reducing greenhouse production in proportion? You don't see/agree with the future boon of green energy?
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On June 02 2017 05:16 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:14 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:09 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing. making it completely a symbolic gesture. I don't understand the blowback to this one, bunch of people want a reason to be mad I guess Because we told everyone else who signed on to fuck off, don’t need the agreement anymore because a new president is in town. Other countries do not like it when they work hard on agreements, spend political capital and then you walk away because you have a new president. They don’t want to make deals after that because they don’t want to plan around your fickle people. We gave our word and then we backed out. So the next deal everyone will wonder “is this deal good long term, or will some asshole promise to blow it up to win an election?” The business community was planning on this agreement, deals were being made. People were working on plans, all which are up in the air now because Trump decided this thing was bad. What, we had an an election. An unexpected candidate won. How is a country supposed to "keep it's word" when it's government radically can change every 4 years.
Can your new government find another planet?
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Oh god Pruitt is on CNN...
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On June 02 2017 05:17 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. I'm still looking up the numbers right now but assuming US is the largest polluter of greenhouse gases by a large margin, you don't think it's worth reducing greenhouse production in proportion? You don't see/agree with the future boon of green energy?
They are per capita. By a huge margin even over china. The argument "yeah but china pollutes more" kinda gets ineffective if you consider that china has fucking five times the population of the US.
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On June 02 2017 05:17 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. I'm still looking up the numbers right now but assuming US is the largest polluter of greenhouse gases by a large margin, you don't think it's worth reducing greenhouse production in proportion? You don't see/agree with the future boon of green energy?
You're asking the wrong question. The right question to ask is this: how much are you willing to have Americans pay to prevent the global temperature from increasing by a further 0.17 degrees by the year 2100?
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On June 02 2017 05:16 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:14 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:09 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing. making it completely a symbolic gesture. I don't understand the blowback to this one, bunch of people want a reason to be mad I guess Because we told everyone else who signed on to fuck off, don’t need the agreement anymore because a new president is in town. Other countries do not like it when they work hard on agreements, spend political capital and then you walk away because you have a new president. They don’t want to make deals after that because they don’t want to plan around your fickle people. We gave our word and then we backed out. So the next deal everyone will wonder “is this deal good long term, or will some asshole promise to blow it up to win an election?” The business community was planning on this agreement, deals were being made. People were working on plans, all which are up in the air now because Trump decided this thing was bad. What, we had an an election. An unexpected candidate won. How is a country supposed to "keep it's word" when it's government radically can change every 4 years.
Because that is how our nation and others have done in for over 200 years. And when we do decide to pull out of agreements, it impacts us for a decade or more. Welcome to world politics, were no one gives a shit about your local politics or if an unexpected candidate won. They just want you to keep your promises or not deal with you.
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On June 02 2017 05:17 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:16 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:14 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:09 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing. making it completely a symbolic gesture. I don't understand the blowback to this one, bunch of people want a reason to be mad I guess Because we told everyone else who signed on to fuck off, don’t need the agreement anymore because a new president is in town. Other countries do not like it when they work hard on agreements, spend political capital and then you walk away because you have a new president. They don’t want to make deals after that because they don’t want to plan around your fickle people. We gave our word and then we backed out. So the next deal everyone will wonder “is this deal good long term, or will some asshole promise to blow it up to win an election?” The business community was planning on this agreement, deals were being made. People were working on plans, all which are up in the air now because Trump decided this thing was bad. What, we had an an election. An unexpected candidate won. How is a country supposed to "keep it's word" when it's government radically can change every 4 years. Can your new government find another planet?
I'm not sure how you view human beings, but we are destroying this planet. This accord will not even put the smallest scratch on that path. Ofcourse eventually we will have to find other planets, climate being only one of the reasons to drive that.
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On June 02 2017 05:14 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:09 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing. making it completely a symbolic gesture. I don't understand the blowback to this one, bunch of people want a reason to be mad I guess Because we told everyone else who signed on to fuck off, don’t need the agreement anymore because a new president is in town. Other countries do not like it when they work hard on agreements, spend political capital and then you walk away because you have a new president. They don’t want to make deals after that because they don’t want to plan around your fickle people. We gave our word and then we backed out. So the next deal everyone will wonder “is this deal good long term, or will some asshole promise to blow it up to win an election?” The business community was planning on this agreement, deals were being made. People were working on plans, all which are up in the air now because Trump decided this thing was bad. You seem to operate under teh impression that the world is willing to deal with our bullshit at all times. They are not, just like we are not willing to deal with theirs. That is why deals like this are normally off limits if the past administration agreed to them, but not any more.
If I understand it correctly (I just got home and haven't had time to really read up on what he said) he's basicly just saying that the US won't try to achieve the goals in the first place. Like people said, there would be no punishment if you fail to achieve them but to say you aren't even going to try and implement anything is on another level.
It's basicly the same issue as UK leaving the EU but keeping their voting power in the meantime because they're not technically out so they could annoy people really hard if they wanted to.
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On June 02 2017 05:15 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:11 zlefin wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 Danglars wrote:On June 02 2017 04:57 On_Slaught wrote:On June 02 2017 04:55 Danglars wrote:
"I was elected to serve Pittsburgh not Paris"
That one's sure to cause a lot of screeching.
"Redistribute wealth out of the United States into the Green Climate Fund ... all on top of America's existing foreign aid payments."
Ouch. You're right. I forgot this is a zero sum game and these issues are mutually exclusive. People who liked Obama rhetoric for eight years suddenly forgetting when the other side does it. I think Trump would characterize it as 'sad.' there's a difference between rhetoric, and repeatedly lying to the american people and actively causing great suffering to them and the world. Right. This was rhetoric, and very effective. The other is what liberals try to diminish by lying themselves.
all politicians lie some; but the degree nad extent of trump's lies are far different.
as to effectiveness? I suppose it does convince his base, so it is politically effective. bad for the world and for our children of course; but if you don't care about the suffering of your children or other people, then sure.
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On June 02 2017 05:20 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:17 TheDwf wrote:On June 02 2017 05:16 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:14 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:09 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing. making it completely a symbolic gesture. I don't understand the blowback to this one, bunch of people want a reason to be mad I guess Because we told everyone else who signed on to fuck off, don’t need the agreement anymore because a new president is in town. Other countries do not like it when they work hard on agreements, spend political capital and then you walk away because you have a new president. They don’t want to make deals after that because they don’t want to plan around your fickle people. We gave our word and then we backed out. So the next deal everyone will wonder “is this deal good long term, or will some asshole promise to blow it up to win an election?” The business community was planning on this agreement, deals were being made. People were working on plans, all which are up in the air now because Trump decided this thing was bad. What, we had an an election. An unexpected candidate won. How is a country supposed to "keep it's word" when it's government radically can change every 4 years. Can your new government find another planet? I'm not sure how you view human beings, but we are destroying this planet. This accord will not even put the smallest scratch on that path. Ofcourse eventually we will have to find other planets, climate being only one of the reasons to drive that.
We are destroying this planet, so we should keep destroying this planet. Got it.
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On June 02 2017 05:20 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:17 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. I'm still looking up the numbers right now but assuming US is the largest polluter of greenhouse gases by a large margin, you don't think it's worth reducing greenhouse production in proportion? You don't see/agree with the future boon of green energy? You're asking the wrong question. The right question to ask is this: how much are you willing to have Americans pay to prevent the global temperature from increasing by a further 0.17 degrees by the year 2100?
And you're looking at it wrong. The correct way to look at this is: every single country in the world bar three is willing to. The reason why you get hit harder is because you're dirtier. If you would've taken the environment into consideration before, you wouldn't be in this position.
Better go and get another 7mpg dick enlargement.
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On June 02 2017 05:20 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:16 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:14 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:09 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing. making it completely a symbolic gesture. I don't understand the blowback to this one, bunch of people want a reason to be mad I guess Because we told everyone else who signed on to fuck off, don’t need the agreement anymore because a new president is in town. Other countries do not like it when they work hard on agreements, spend political capital and then you walk away because you have a new president. They don’t want to make deals after that because they don’t want to plan around your fickle people. We gave our word and then we backed out. So the next deal everyone will wonder “is this deal good long term, or will some asshole promise to blow it up to win an election?” The business community was planning on this agreement, deals were being made. People were working on plans, all which are up in the air now because Trump decided this thing was bad. What, we had an an election. An unexpected candidate won. How is a country supposed to "keep it's word" when it's government radically can change every 4 years. Because that is how our nation and others have done in for over 200 years. And when we do decide to pull out of agreements, it impacts us for a decade or more. Welcome to world politics, were no one gives a shit about your local politics or if an unexpected candidate won. They just want you to keep your promises or not deal with you.
Ya I can agree with that, but the USA is the #1 economy in the world, people are going to "deal" with the US one way or another. California alone is #6 gdp in the world lol. I'm sure we can do what we want, and we aren't murdering innocents here, we are simply backing out of an ineffectual symbolic gesture. Again, I don't see the point of the outrage.
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On June 02 2017 05:21 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:14 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:09 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing. making it completely a symbolic gesture. I don't understand the blowback to this one, bunch of people want a reason to be mad I guess Because we told everyone else who signed on to fuck off, don’t need the agreement anymore because a new president is in town. Other countries do not like it when they work hard on agreements, spend political capital and then you walk away because you have a new president. They don’t want to make deals after that because they don’t want to plan around your fickle people. We gave our word and then we backed out. So the next deal everyone will wonder “is this deal good long term, or will some asshole promise to blow it up to win an election?” The business community was planning on this agreement, deals were being made. People were working on plans, all which are up in the air now because Trump decided this thing was bad. You seem to operate under teh impression that the world is willing to deal with our bullshit at all times. They are not, just like we are not willing to deal with theirs. That is why deals like this are normally off limits if the past administration agreed to them, but not any more. If I understand it correctly (I just got home and haven't had time to really read up on what he said) he's basicly just saying that the US won't try to achieve the goals in the first place. Like people said, there would be no punishment if you fail to achieve them but to say you aren't even going to try and implement anything is on another level. It's basicly the same issue as UK leaving the EU but keeping their voting power in the meantime because they're not technically out so they could annoy people really hard if they wanted to.
Both Trump and Brexit is about wanting to appear nationalistic and put your country above all others, but suffer none of the consequences of that sort of policy. Trumps “we will get a better deal” is a joke because no one at the table will trust him to follow through.
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On June 02 2017 05:22 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:20 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:17 TheDwf wrote:On June 02 2017 05:16 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:14 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:09 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing. making it completely a symbolic gesture. I don't understand the blowback to this one, bunch of people want a reason to be mad I guess Because we told everyone else who signed on to fuck off, don’t need the agreement anymore because a new president is in town. Other countries do not like it when they work hard on agreements, spend political capital and then you walk away because you have a new president. They don’t want to make deals after that because they don’t want to plan around your fickle people. We gave our word and then we backed out. So the next deal everyone will wonder “is this deal good long term, or will some asshole promise to blow it up to win an election?” The business community was planning on this agreement, deals were being made. People were working on plans, all which are up in the air now because Trump decided this thing was bad. What, we had an an election. An unexpected candidate won. How is a country supposed to "keep it's word" when it's government radically can change every 4 years. Can your new government find another planet? I'm not sure how you view human beings, but we are destroying this planet. This accord will not even put the smallest scratch on that path. Ofcourse eventually we will have to find other planets, climate being only one of the reasons to drive that. We are destroying this planet, so we should keep destroying this planet. Got it.
Show me evidence that this agreement changes that path, in a meaningful way. Suddenly once the agreement is signed, we no longer have to go to mars, cause human beings become saints who arent motivated by self interest got it.
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On June 02 2017 05:24 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:22 TheDwf wrote:On June 02 2017 05:20 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:17 TheDwf wrote:On June 02 2017 05:16 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:14 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:09 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:
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Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing. making it completely a symbolic gesture. I don't understand the blowback to this one, bunch of people want a reason to be mad I guess Because we told everyone else who signed on to fuck off, don’t need the agreement anymore because a new president is in town. Other countries do not like it when they work hard on agreements, spend political capital and then you walk away because you have a new president. They don’t want to make deals after that because they don’t want to plan around your fickle people. We gave our word and then we backed out. So the next deal everyone will wonder “is this deal good long term, or will some asshole promise to blow it up to win an election?” The business community was planning on this agreement, deals were being made. People were working on plans, all which are up in the air now because Trump decided this thing was bad. What, we had an an election. An unexpected candidate won. How is a country supposed to "keep it's word" when it's government radically can change every 4 years. Can your new government find another planet? I'm not sure how you view human beings, but we are destroying this planet. This accord will not even put the smallest scratch on that path. Ofcourse eventually we will have to find other planets, climate being only one of the reasons to drive that. We are destroying this planet, so we should keep destroying this planet. Got it. Show me evidence that this agreement changes that path, in a meaningful way. Suddenly once the agreement is signed, we no longer have to go to mars, cause human beings become saints who arent motivated by self interest got it.
"We can't fix shit by waving a wand, so better not even try babysteps".
Got it.
Hey that's pretty easy.
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On June 02 2017 05:25 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:24 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:22 TheDwf wrote:On June 02 2017 05:20 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:17 TheDwf wrote:On June 02 2017 05:16 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:14 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:09 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:
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I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing. making it completely a symbolic gesture. I don't understand the blowback to this one, bunch of people want a reason to be mad I guess Because we told everyone else who signed on to fuck off, don’t need the agreement anymore because a new president is in town. Other countries do not like it when they work hard on agreements, spend political capital and then you walk away because you have a new president. They don’t want to make deals after that because they don’t want to plan around your fickle people. We gave our word and then we backed out. So the next deal everyone will wonder “is this deal good long term, or will some asshole promise to blow it up to win an election?” The business community was planning on this agreement, deals were being made. People were working on plans, all which are up in the air now because Trump decided this thing was bad. What, we had an an election. An unexpected candidate won. How is a country supposed to "keep it's word" when it's government radically can change every 4 years. Can your new government find another planet? I'm not sure how you view human beings, but we are destroying this planet. This accord will not even put the smallest scratch on that path. Ofcourse eventually we will have to find other planets, climate being only one of the reasons to drive that. We are destroying this planet, so we should keep destroying this planet. Got it. Show me evidence that this agreement changes that path, in a meaningful way. Suddenly once the agreement is signed, we no longer have to go to mars, cause human beings become saints who arent motivated by self interest got it. "We can't fix shit by waving a wand, so better not even try babysteps". Got it. Hey that's pretty easy.
Nope, I'm saying "oh ok we didn't take a baby step, nbd"
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On June 02 2017 05:23 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:21 Toadesstern wrote:On June 02 2017 05:14 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:09 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing. making it completely a symbolic gesture. I don't understand the blowback to this one, bunch of people want a reason to be mad I guess Because we told everyone else who signed on to fuck off, don’t need the agreement anymore because a new president is in town. Other countries do not like it when they work hard on agreements, spend political capital and then you walk away because you have a new president. They don’t want to make deals after that because they don’t want to plan around your fickle people. We gave our word and then we backed out. So the next deal everyone will wonder “is this deal good long term, or will some asshole promise to blow it up to win an election?” The business community was planning on this agreement, deals were being made. People were working on plans, all which are up in the air now because Trump decided this thing was bad. You seem to operate under teh impression that the world is willing to deal with our bullshit at all times. They are not, just like we are not willing to deal with theirs. That is why deals like this are normally off limits if the past administration agreed to them, but not any more. If I understand it correctly (I just got home and haven't had time to really read up on what he said) he's basicly just saying that the US won't try to achieve the goals in the first place. Like people said, there would be no punishment if you fail to achieve them but to say you aren't even going to try and implement anything is on another level. It's basicly the same issue as UK leaving the EU but keeping their voting power in the meantime because they're not technically out so they could annoy people really hard if they wanted to. Both Trump and Brexit is about wanting to appear nationalistic and put your country above all others, but suffer none of the consequences of that sort of policy. Trumps “we will get a better deal” is a joke because no one at the table will trust him to follow through.
yeah kinda, and like I said I'm pretty sure if Trump doesn't actually leave the accord and just goes with the "stay in there but don't actually do anything" approach the US retains some kind of rights to influence it in the future?
At least I've read something along those lines a couple days ago somewhere about what kind of different options has to "leave". Can't find it right now though :/
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Can anyone that studied this agreement seriously tell me if this is good or bad?
Does this treaty do anything?
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On June 02 2017 05:24 biology]major wrote:
Show me evidence that this agreement changes that path, in a meaningful way. Suddenly once the agreement is signed, we no longer have to go to mars, cause human beings become saints who arent motivated by self interest got it.
so let me get this straight. the deal is bad for the USA but you're backing out of it because it doesnt go far enough?
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On June 02 2017 05:23 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 05:20 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:16 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:14 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:09 biology]major wrote:On June 02 2017 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2017 05:05 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off. Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change? I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts. It isn't a treaty and it was voluntary. It imposed nothing. making it completely a symbolic gesture. I don't understand the blowback to this one, bunch of people want a reason to be mad I guess Because we told everyone else who signed on to fuck off, don’t need the agreement anymore because a new president is in town. Other countries do not like it when they work hard on agreements, spend political capital and then you walk away because you have a new president. They don’t want to make deals after that because they don’t want to plan around your fickle people. We gave our word and then we backed out. So the next deal everyone will wonder “is this deal good long term, or will some asshole promise to blow it up to win an election?” The business community was planning on this agreement, deals were being made. People were working on plans, all which are up in the air now because Trump decided this thing was bad. What, we had an an election. An unexpected candidate won. How is a country supposed to "keep it's word" when it's government radically can change every 4 years. Because that is how our nation and others have done in for over 200 years. And when we do decide to pull out of agreements, it impacts us for a decade or more. Welcome to world politics, were no one gives a shit about your local politics or if an unexpected candidate won. They just want you to keep your promises or not deal with you. Ya I can agree with that, but the USA is the #1 economy in the world, people are going to "deal" with the US one way or another. California alone is #6 gdp in the world lol. I'm sure we can do what we want, and we aren't murdering innocents here, we are simply backing out of an ineffectual symbolic gesture. Again, I don't see the point of the outrage.
Because the argument “we are number 1# so you have to deal with the US” is a challenge, not a negotiating tactic. We might as well ask them to focus on fucking the US over, because that is exactly what that tactic yields. You can’t publicly bully other nations unless you are willing to go to war with them.
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