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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
June 01 2017 19:56 GMT
#154261
I hope during the next press briefing they get ripped to shreds for this junk of a speech.
Pardon my words.
passive quaranstream fan
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11940 Posts
June 01 2017 19:56 GMT
#154262
On June 02 2017 04:55 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 04:50 CorsairHero wrote:
Well i guess Musk is leaving the advisory council

Too bad. Those two walking egos certainly belonged together. But I guess Trump didn't give enough handouts to make it worth his while.


At least Musk knows a bit of Science and wants to implement it. If I could pick between two showmen I know which one I would prefer.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
June 01 2017 19:57 GMT
#154263
They're hardly comparable. One is trying to advance mankind, regardless of "out of reach" or "unrealistic" or not. The other is a retard that barely can string together a sentence.
On track to MA1950A.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 01 2017 19:57 GMT
#154264
On June 02 2017 04:56 Artisreal wrote:
I hope during the next press briefing they get ripped to shreds for this junk of a speech.
Pardon my words.

Every speech Trump gives is bizarre and nonsensical. And he gets ripped at every press conference. This is nothing special.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 01 2017 19:57 GMT
#154265
On June 02 2017 04:55 Danglars wrote:
"I was elected to serve Pittsburgh not Paris"

That one's sure to cause a lot of screeching.

"Redistribute wealth out of the United States into the Green Climate Fund ... all on top of America's existing foreign aid payments."

Ouch.


You're right. I forgot this is a zero sum game and these issues are mutually exclusive.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 19:59:06
June 01 2017 19:58 GMT
#154266
On June 02 2017 04:56 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 04:55 LegalLord wrote:
On June 02 2017 04:50 CorsairHero wrote:
Well i guess Musk is leaving the advisory council

Too bad. Those two walking egos certainly belonged together. But I guess Trump didn't give enough handouts to make it worth his while.


At least Musk knows a bit of Science and wants to implement it. If I could pick between two showmen I know which one I would prefer.

Tesla just fired a woman for reporting sexual harassment and then said they really fired her because she was promoted to many times over more qualified men. Musk is a smart dude that hires some really shitty people to manage his companies.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/01/tesla-fires-aj-vandermeyden-lawsuit-sexual-harrassment
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 01 2017 19:58 GMT
#154267
On June 02 2017 04:57 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 04:56 Artisreal wrote:
I hope during the next press briefing they get ripped to shreds for this junk of a speech.
Pardon my words.

Every speech Trump gives is bizarre and nonsensical. And he gets ripped at every press conference. This is nothing special.

His being a continuous delirium as opposed to a temporary one does not make his being delirious suddenly ok.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 20:00:18
June 01 2017 19:59 GMT
#154268
Majority of Americans in every US state supports Paris climate deal Trump is poised to withdraw from

Source
And he wants to pull out because the people want it.
Covfefe-realtiy.
passive quaranstream fan
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 20:06:06
June 01 2017 20:00 GMT
#154269
On June 02 2017 02:08 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 01:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On June 02 2017 00:43 Danglars wrote:
On June 01 2017 20:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Ruse and shine America!




It's a big story. Russian influence on the election and Trump obstruction with Comey are big stories. The NSA, CIA, and FBI have stopped cooperating with the House investigation. But since this is before Trump without the Trump histeria, partisans pass over it. Using intelligence agencies to unmask and leak is a power you don't want Trump or future presidents to have, trust me.


I may just not be tracking the situation but I don't see how the timeline will help.

The sinister conspiracy is that the person who ordered the unmasking did so and then either leaked unmasked info themselves or purposefully had someone else leak it (after all, unmasking is in no way illegal).

Regardless of whether that happened it's obvious that the timeline is "request for unmasking places -> names unmasked -> leaked to media."

Are they looking for some smoking gun communication saying "please leak this?" Because I am very skeptical that will ever be found, but could be looked for forever amongst all the people that saw the information. If they found one, it wouldn't really matter when it fell on the timeline.

It doesn't help that the loosest conspiracy (the unmasking was ordered with the intent to cause a future leak, but no concrete instruction was given) is literally impossible to prove as distinct from ordering the unmasking because it was important to know who the person was.

Americans picked up in our foreign surveillance programs shouldn't have fears that our government is listening to their calls and might rattle about it to media. That's why who does the unmasking and how unmasked surveillance is handled matters. You humorously allege sinister conspiracies--all this has to be is lax standards and one miscreant in a department. I want Americans not to be spied on by their own government. Wide dissimination of unmasked intercepts, and a host of other possibilities that absolutely need investigation, says civil rights are in bad shape right now. I don't even need to mention or allege conspiracy with who happened to run the NSA/CIA/FBI for this case. Comprendes?


But that doesn't involve a timeline in any way. And again, the loosest possibility (where someone ordered unmasking in the hopes of someone later leaking it) is literally impossible to distinguish from someone doing their job.

I mean, I don't think asking for unmasking in the context of communications with a former Russian spymaster represents a lax standard. Maybe if it were indirect unmasking (e.g. Kisyak talks with Person A about talking with Person B, person B's identity revealed), but even that seems reasonable.

Edit: I mention conspiracy because that's literally what many are discussing, two or more government officials conspiring to unmask+leak. Otherwise no departmental documents are going to help at all, right? If the unmasker was the leaker you need brain hacks.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 01 2017 20:01 GMT
#154270
Scott Pruit is an objectively bad human being.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
June 01 2017 20:02 GMT
#154271
On June 02 2017 04:55 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:
On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off.

Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change?


China though. Clearly. Stealing jobs and stuff (ivanka still producing over there?). Paris accord is a conspiracy to strengthen china/weaken the US.

As in, US would have to cut more emissions than China? As a result more regulations on US than China over the next few years?
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
June 01 2017 20:03 GMT
#154272
AND NOW AFTER PRAISING HIMSELF THIRTY ODD TIMES HE NEEDS SOMEONE TO SOOTH HIS EGO EVEN MORE!

"AMERICA FINALLY HAS A LEADER THAT ANSWERS/LISTENS ONLY TO THE CITIZENS"
What the fuck did I just hear.
passive quaranstream fan
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
June 01 2017 20:03 GMT
#154273
On June 02 2017 05:03 Artisreal wrote:
AND NOW AFTER PRAISING HIMSELF THIRTY ODD TIMES HE NEEDS SOMEONE TO SOOTH HIS EGO EVEN MORE!

"AMERICA FINALLY HAS A LEADER THAT ANSWERS/LISTENS ONLY TO THE CITIZENS"
What the fuck did I just hear.


He sure was listening to the citizens when he dropped Medicare negotiating drug prices like a hot potato after lunch with big pharma
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 20:05:10
June 01 2017 20:04 GMT
#154274
"While the rest of the world does little".

The way understand it, is that literally the whole rest of the world actually does stuff, where as you just fucking announced that you wont.

What the actual fuck?

As in, US would have to cut more emissions than China? As a result more regulations on US than China over the next few years?


Eh? As in, that's what trump just described, which is retarded beyond belief.
On track to MA1950A.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 01 2017 20:05 GMT
#154275
On June 02 2017 05:02 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 04:55 m4ini wrote:
On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:
On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off.

Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change?


China though. Clearly. Stealing jobs and stuff (ivanka still producing over there?). Paris accord is a conspiracy to strengthen china/weaken the US.

As in, US would have to cut more emissions than China? As a result more regulations on US than China over the next few years?

China is already investing more in emission reduction that the US and EU together. They see the future and are dumping money into renewable energy.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 01 2017 20:05 GMT
#154276
On June 02 2017 04:57 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 04:55 Danglars wrote:
"I was elected to serve Pittsburgh not Paris"

That one's sure to cause a lot of screeching.

"Redistribute wealth out of the United States into the Green Climate Fund ... all on top of America's existing foreign aid payments."

Ouch.


You're right. I forgot this is a zero sum game and these issues are mutually exclusive.

People who liked Obama rhetoric for eight years suddenly forgetting when the other side does it. I think Trump would characterize it as 'sad.'
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
June 01 2017 20:05 GMT
#154277
Poor Spicey's gonna get kiiiilled when reporters ak question based on actual facts...
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 20:05:55
June 01 2017 20:05 GMT
#154278
On June 02 2017 04:54 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off.

Care to elaborate? On the surface, Paris Accords seems to be about producing less greenhouse gases and supporting green energy. Essentially, do stuff to better the planet. Is there something in the agreements you are adamantly against? Also for further understanding, what's your stance on climate change?

I'm not against treaties in general, but I am against treaties that aren't fundamentally fair to the US and I'm not interested in favor of paying higher energy costs for incredibly marginal environmental impacts.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 01 2017 20:05 GMT
#154279
On June 02 2017 05:04 m4ini wrote:
"While the rest of the world does little".

The way understand it, is that literally the whole rest of the world actually does stuff, where as you just fucking announced that you wont.

What the actual fuck?

Show nested quote +
As in, US would have to cut more emissions than China? As a result more regulations on US than China over the next few years?


Eh? As in, that's what trump just described, which is retarded beyond belief.

You are seeing how he got elected. By feeding the narrative that the US does everything and you are all garbage freeloaders.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 01 2017 20:07 GMT
#154280
On June 02 2017 05:01 On_Slaught wrote:
Scott Pruit is an objectively bad human being.

A little too smarmy in terms of delivery, but the rest of the content was basically right-on.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
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