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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 01 2017 19:31 GMT
#154221
On June 02 2017 04:28 Nyxisto wrote:
Of course he did, he's fucking crazy. That's why everybody with a brain told you guys to vote for Clinton including Chomsky.

Generally I don't base my political positions on the opinion of a linguist with a side interest in politics and talking in a deliberately excessively verbose manner.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 01 2017 19:31 GMT
#154222
We've officially ceded all political and moral authority on the issue of climate change.

Also every word out of Pence is cringe worthy.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
June 01 2017 19:33 GMT
#154223
It's my first live speech. I'm exited
passive quaranstream fan
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 01 2017 19:34 GMT
#154224
Do note if he says anything interesting. I'm between meetings and can't watch myself.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 01 2017 19:34 GMT
#154225
On June 02 2017 04:28 Nyxisto wrote:
Of course he did, he's fucking crazy. That's why everybody with a brain told you guys to vote for Clinton including Chomsky.

Yep, but we are a deeply stupid country and needed to touch the stove. His party was so eager for power they didn’t even think “man, this guy wants a bunch of stuff that we will never agree with?” Maybe he will blow up NAFTA without a replacement too.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
June 01 2017 19:35 GMT
#154226
The lpm rate of Trump is pretty high atm (lies per minute)
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 19:38:19
June 01 2017 19:36 GMT
#154227
Nah, he created hundreds of thousands of jobs.

It's not lying, it's wishing.

Leaving the paris accord, to "reenter it" on "fairer terms". And "if we can't, that's fine".

We'll see how that turns out.
On track to MA1950A.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 01 2017 19:37 GMT
#154228
On June 02 2017 04:25 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 04:18 On_Slaught wrote:
On June 02 2017 04:14 zlefin wrote:
what does the paris accord require in terms of actual commitments anyways?


It isn't even a hard commitment iirc. We set our own pacing.

Overall, this is just one more bullet point in the growing list of reasons why Trump is likely the worst President in history. Will be an easy one to beat him up on in 2020 since his position is essentially indefensible.


Trump did a lot of indefensible stuff and took a lot of indefensible positions prior to getting elected. People defended him and supported him despite that. Beating him in 2020 is not going to be easy because a lot of the people who voted for him are totally cool with everything he's doing.


It will be interesting to see what people think in coal country in a few years. Coal is more expensive than natural gas so there is pretty much no chance of those jobs returning. Will these people continue to accept the lies about how coal jobs are coming back or will they start voting for the people who promise them job retraining that they don't like, but is an actual solution.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 19:38:59
June 01 2017 19:38 GMT
#154229
LOL Trump taking his ball home because the rules arent fair.

I hope the world doesnt negociate with this terrorist.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 01 2017 19:39 GMT
#154230
Lol. "We will renegotiate the Paris deal." The lies and misinformation being spewed now are shocking.

The dumb fuck even said it wasn't binding.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
June 01 2017 19:39 GMT
#154231
TREMENDOUS ECONOMIC PROGRESS

WE ADDED VERY VERY RAPIDLY 3.3 TRILLION DOLLARS IN STOCK MARKET SINCE WE WON THE ELECTION ON NOV 8th
1 MILLION PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS

350 BILLION OF DOLLARS FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS

BELIEVE ME

Fair and reciprocal trade

peace in the middle east (see above)

attacks on terrorism have stepped up, you see em everywhere

AS PRESIDENT I CAN PUT NO OTHER THING UPFRONT BUT THE WELLBEING OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE --> SO WE WILL CEASE ALL ACTIONS ACCORDING TO THE PARIS ACCORD (that's my favourite)


Is he even reading from a script? I guess that is just his foreplay.
His Climate talk is less incoherent.
passive quaranstream fan
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22483 Posts
June 01 2017 19:41 GMT
#154232
On June 02 2017 04:37 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 04:25 Seuss wrote:
On June 02 2017 04:18 On_Slaught wrote:
On June 02 2017 04:14 zlefin wrote:
what does the paris accord require in terms of actual commitments anyways?


It isn't even a hard commitment iirc. We set our own pacing.

Overall, this is just one more bullet point in the growing list of reasons why Trump is likely the worst President in history. Will be an easy one to beat him up on in 2020 since his position is essentially indefensible.


Trump did a lot of indefensible stuff and took a lot of indefensible positions prior to getting elected. People defended him and supported him despite that. Beating him in 2020 is not going to be easy because a lot of the people who voted for him are totally cool with everything he's doing.


It will be interesting to see what people think in coal country in a few years. Coal is more expensive than natural gas so there is pretty much no chance of those jobs returning. Will these people continue to accept the lies about how coal jobs are coming back or will they start voting for the people who promise them job retraining that they don't like, but is an actual solution.

They will simply keep blaming others for their own mistake of not voting for someone willing to direct the state towards a different economy.

These people will die blaming others for not bringing their job back.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
June 01 2017 19:41 GMT
#154233
So what penalties, if any, can be levied against the US for not agreeing to Paris? And how soon would they be implemented?
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
June 01 2017 19:42 GMT
#154234
On June 02 2017 04:39 Artisreal wrote:
Show nested quote +
TREMENDOUS ECONOMIC PROGRESS

WE ADDED VERY VERY RAPIDLY 3.3 TRILLION DOLLARS IN STOCK MARKET SINCE WE WON THE ELECTION ON NOV 8th
1 MILLION PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS

350 BILLION OF DOLLARS FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS

BELIEVE ME

Fair and reciprocal trade

peace in the middle east (see above)

attacks on terrorism have stepped up, you see em everywhere

AS PRESIDENT I CAN PUT NO OTHER THING UPFRONT BUT THE WELLBEING OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE --> SO WE WILL CEASE ALL ACTIONS ACCORDING TO THE PARIS ACCORD (that's my favourite)


Is he even reading from a script? I guess that is just his foreplay.
His Climate talk is less incoherent.

Yes
© Current year.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 19:45:45
June 01 2017 19:43 GMT
#154235
Yes I am watching / listening but WHO THE FUCK WRITES THIS CRAP

The guardian gets alot of flack, rightly so at times, for lying through omission.
What the fuck am I just listening to. Exactly that.
passive quaranstream fan
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 01 2017 19:44 GMT
#154236
On June 02 2017 04:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
So what penalties, if any, can be levied against the US for not agreeing to Paris? And how soon would they be implemented?

2020 is when we leave unless Trump does something really crazy that would require senate approval. No penalties. We have decided to leave the bargaining table in the global energy economy and give up our role as part of the leadership. We did this because the agreement stays Paris on it and Obama did it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 01 2017 19:44 GMT
#154237
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 19:45:38
June 01 2017 19:44 GMT
#154238
On June 02 2017 04:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
So what penalties, if any, can be levied against the US for not agreeing to Paris? And how soon would they be implemented?


Tariffs, and that's pretty much a given. Can't tell you how fast they would be implemented, but tariffs are pretty certain, since industries that are bound to invest in cleaner stuff etc wouldn't be competitive anymore. Tariffs will level the playing field again.

Trump is too retarded to actually see that even if china DOUBLES their emissions, per capita they're still emitting less than the US. Worst thing is, so many retarded people will actually believe this bullshit.

edit: point in case.
On track to MA1950A.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 01 2017 19:45 GMT
#154239
He sees everything as a transaction and all other actors as potential competition. Unfit for office isn't a strong enough word.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 01 2017 19:46 GMT
#154240
On June 02 2017 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
Good. Trump is finally getting back to telling the globalists to fuck off.

Hope your kid likes paying India and China for solar panels, because we won’t be making them here.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
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