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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 19:16:13
June 01 2017 19:13 GMT
#154201


On another note, this depressing and will lead to a lot of litigation. I am so glad the Supreme Court stripped the voter’s rights act, so we can deal with endless litigation before elections.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 01 2017 19:14 GMT
#154202
what does the paris accord require in terms of actual commitments anyways?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 01 2017 19:14 GMT
#154203
On June 02 2017 04:06 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 03:59 Danglars wrote:
On June 02 2017 03:53 Pandemona wrote:
So trump about to pull American out of Climate change agreement! Wowwowow. Be interesting how he handles this shit storm from all of green peace plus sanctions

Will he even care?

Breaking news: The party that literally ran on a platform calling to end the Paris agreement won the presidency, Senate, and House, and withdraws from the Paris agreement.

We will be getting what we voted for and it will cost the US jobs if it happens. Luckily it can’t happen until 2020 and we have a chance to rethink our decision.

And if you get a Senate & President behind it in 2020, knock yourselves out
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46231 Posts
June 01 2017 19:16 GMT
#154204
On June 02 2017 03:53 Pandemona wrote:
So trump about to pull American out of Climate change agreement! Wowwowow. Be interesting how he handles this shit storm from all of green peace plus sanctions


I don't know much about Green Peace, but are they a good organization? They claim to be environmentally friendly and pro-science, yet they're anti-GMO which means they fall pretty hard on the wrong side of that "debate". With the exception of them being anti-GMO, they seem to be pretty well-intentioned and well-informed regarding the environment, I think?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 19:20:13
June 01 2017 19:18 GMT
#154205
On June 02 2017 04:14 zlefin wrote:
what does the paris accord require in terms of actual commitments anyways?


It isn't even a hard commitment iirc. We set our own pacing.

Overall, this is just one more bullet point in the growing list of reasons why Trump is likely the worst President in history. Will be an easy one to beat him up on in 2020 since his position is essentially indefensible.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 19:19:54
June 01 2017 19:19 GMT
#154206
On June 02 2017 04:18 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 04:14 zlefin wrote:
what does the paris accord require in terms of actual commitments anyways?


It isn't even a hard commitment iirc. We set our own pacing.

Overall, this is just one more bullet point in the growing list of reasons why Trump is likely the worst President in history. Will be an easy one to beat him up on in 2020 since his position is essentially indefensible.

sadly, a lot of morons will think he did something good. oy, we raelly need better ways to educate people civically so they don't make such obvious glaring mistakes as trump.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
ragnasaur
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States804 Posts
June 01 2017 19:19 GMT
#154207
I dunno... "Green Peace" sounds pretty malichious
| (• ◡•)| (❍ᴥ❍ʋ) George Forman doesnt have any fingerprints
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 01 2017 19:20 GMT
#154208
There's only one person who could be fielded to lose to Trump. At this rate she may try to run again.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 19:22:06
June 01 2017 19:20 GMT
#154209
On June 02 2017 04:14 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 04:06 Plansix wrote:
On June 02 2017 03:59 Danglars wrote:
On June 02 2017 03:53 Pandemona wrote:
So trump about to pull American out of Climate change agreement! Wowwowow. Be interesting how he handles this shit storm from all of green peace plus sanctions

Will he even care?

Breaking news: The party that literally ran on a platform calling to end the Paris agreement won the presidency, Senate, and House, and withdraws from the Paris agreement.

We will be getting what we voted for and it will cost the US jobs if it happens. Luckily it can’t happen until 2020 and we have a chance to rethink our decision.

And if you get a Senate & President behind it in 2020, knock yourselves out

That will depend on how the GOP performs in congress and the White House. Just think of how sick of Trump everyone will be after 3.5 more years.

On June 02 2017 04:20 LegalLord wrote:
There's only one person who could be fielded to lose to Trump. At this rate she may try to run again.


That is not true. We have not tapped into the bottom of the democrat's barrel of terrible politicians. They could field 5 total losers.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 01 2017 19:20 GMT
#154210
On June 02 2017 04:20 LegalLord wrote:
There's only one person who could be fielded to lose to Trump. At this rate she may try to run again.

a tired and stlil false canard.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24143 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 19:22:14
June 01 2017 19:21 GMT
#154211
Why do they keep lumping Saudi Arabia and Nicaragua together as if they aren't members of the accord for the same reasons?

Neither really has anything to do with the idea that they want to keep using more fuels or something like Trump is arguing.

Is it just to hard for people paid 6-8 figure salaries to know/learn why they aren't part of the Paris agreement, instead of just saying "The US will join Syria and Nicaragua (ya know THOSE countries) as the only countries not signed on".

Like wtf?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 01 2017 19:21 GMT
#154212
On June 02 2017 04:19 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 04:18 On_Slaught wrote:
On June 02 2017 04:14 zlefin wrote:
what does the paris accord require in terms of actual commitments anyways?


It isn't even a hard commitment iirc. We set our own pacing.

Overall, this is just one more bullet point in the growing list of reasons why Trump is likely the worst President in history. Will be an easy one to beat him up on in 2020 since his position is essentially indefensible.

sadly, a lot of morons will think he did something good. oy, we raelly need better ways to educate people civically so they don't make such obvious glaring mistakes as trump.


Well the good news is that the process for leaving the accord takes so long, his replacement in 2020 will be able to cancel our leaving likely. That or we just rejoin as soon as he is booted out. Def not good for the next few years tho.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
June 01 2017 19:24 GMT
#154213
Didn't Nicaragua not join because they thought it wasn't strict enough?
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
June 01 2017 19:25 GMT
#154214
On June 02 2017 04:20 LegalLord wrote:
There's only one person who could be fielded to lose to Trump. At this rate she may try to run again.


during the interview yesterday the stated that she'll not run again, she might of course but she seemed pretty adamant.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 01 2017 19:25 GMT
#154215
On June 02 2017 04:18 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 04:14 zlefin wrote:
what does the paris accord require in terms of actual commitments anyways?


It isn't even a hard commitment iirc. We set our own pacing.

Overall, this is just one more bullet point in the growing list of reasons why Trump is likely the worst President in history. Will be an easy one to beat him up on in 2020 since his position is essentially indefensible.


Trump did a lot of indefensible stuff and took a lot of indefensible positions prior to getting elected. People defended him and supported him despite that. Beating him in 2020 is not going to be easy because a lot of the people who voted for him are totally cool with everything he's doing.

It sounds easy now because he doesn't have an opponent. Think of it this way, do you think Clinton or someone like her would win in a rematch?
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 01 2017 19:26 GMT
#154216
On June 02 2017 04:25 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 04:20 LegalLord wrote:
There's only one person who could be fielded to lose to Trump. At this rate she may try to run again.


during the interview yesterday the stated that she'll not run again, she might of course but she seemed pretty adamant.

Wouldn't be the first time she "changed her mind" though. She's going to test the waters because she's clearly not done with politics.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 01 2017 19:27 GMT
#154217
Well he did it. I guess climate change and green energy jobs are on the ballot in 2020.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 01 2017 19:28 GMT
#154218
Marine jazz band while we wait has been fun.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
June 01 2017 19:28 GMT
#154219
Of course he did, he's fucking crazy. That's why everybody with a brain told you guys to vote for Clinton including Chomsky.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 01 2017 19:30 GMT
#154220
On June 02 2017 04:25 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 04:18 On_Slaught wrote:
On June 02 2017 04:14 zlefin wrote:
what does the paris accord require in terms of actual commitments anyways?


It isn't even a hard commitment iirc. We set our own pacing.

Overall, this is just one more bullet point in the growing list of reasons why Trump is likely the worst President in history. Will be an easy one to beat him up on in 2020 since his position is essentially indefensible.


Trump did a lot of indefensible stuff and took a lot of indefensible positions prior to getting elected. People defended him and supported him despite that. Beating him in 2020 is not going to be easy because a lot of the people who voted for him are totally cool with everything he's doing.

It sounds easy now because he doesn't have an opponent. Think of it this way, do you think Clinton or someone like her would win in a rematch?

I'd vote Trump in a rematch. If Hillary can't take a hint then she won't get a second chance.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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