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WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
July 27 2016 08:55 GMT
#90201
On July 27 2016 17:46 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 17:25 GreenHorizons wrote:
Good lord the propaganda team is strong, and you guys are worried about an idiotic Trump administration.




Mainstream media talking about how peaceful and quiet day 2 is compared to day 1, no mention of everyone leaving. The more they try to spin this and bury it the angrier people will become.

Yeah, Clinton needs to do something or she can lose what should not be losable.
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6298 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 09:06:11
July 27 2016 09:05 GMT
#90202
Her campaign and the media are trying to sweep everything under the rug in an age where you just can't sweep everything and the message can still get through. You just can't be this blatantly corrupt and get away with it anymore no matter how many people in Washington you threaten or buy out.
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9129 Posts
July 27 2016 09:31 GMT
#90203
On July 27 2016 17:46 zeo wrote:
Mainstream media talking about how peaceful and quiet day 2 is compared to day 1, no mention of everyone leaving. The more they try to spin this and bury it the angrier people will become.


"No mention of everyone leaving"

NBC News - How Sanders Delegates Organized a Walkout Under Everyone's Nose

CBS News - Bernie Sanders supporters stage walkout, protest outside convention

NY Times - Angry Bernie Sanders Supporters Protest Hillary Clinton’s Nomination

Washington Post - Bernie Sanders supporters say they get no media attention while getting lots of media attention [Meta]

NPR - 'They Cannot Silence Us': Sanders Supporters Protest After Clinton Nomination

NY Post - Sanders supporters walk out of DNC after Clinton nomination

Bussiness Insider - Sanders delegates occupy media tents at Democratic National Convention

Politico - Hundreds of Sanders supporters walk out after Clinton nominated

Huffington Post - Angry Bernie Sanders Supporters Stage Walkout At Democratic Convention

Slate - Walking Out of the DNC With Bernie’s Heartbroken Delegates

Maybe do a google search before taking /pol/'s word for everything?
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
July 27 2016 09:52 GMT
#90204
On July 27 2016 17:27 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 15:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 27 2016 15:50 WhiteDog wrote:
On July 27 2016 12:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Seth Meyers is spot-on with this, imo. I'm also curious as to GH's opinion of this:


Is it that impossible to understand the bernie or bust people ? I mean, a big part of the extreme left believe the mainstream politics to be neoliberal, they believe the DNC basically cheated (even if it is only partially true) and they believe that now, today, with Bernie Sanders, they might be in a situation to create a party or a movement that reflect their ideas.
There might be an error in judgement somewhere, but all in all their position is quite reasonable.


My primary issue is if they decide to not vote at all, vote third-party, or vote for Trump, because that completely undermines all the work that Bernie has been fighting for and his endorsement of Hillary to get a decent amount of progressive reforms done. None of those voting choices help Hillary or Bernie win, helping the Republicans win guarantees the unraveling of the ideal policies that Bernie supporters want, and there's nothing wrong with voting for the Democratic party today and then shaking things up again 4 years from now.

That's democrat's fault if they expect their vote on a blank check just because Trump is the opponent. If you want to shake up things you need to have something to bargain with, otherwise the whole danger adverse / status quo will block you anyways. Now is the time, in a few years you will lose the momentum to do anything.

Yep. You can take democracy hostage by putting yourself in the position of the least worst candidate, and it can work ; but at some point it won't work anymore, and you'll have nobody but yourself to blame. Although I fully expect Clinton's camp to blame Sanders' supporters if/when they lose.
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
July 27 2016 09:55 GMT
#90205
Google news which I've never filtered. Top stories first topic, first 3 headlines. Doing a pretty bad job of burying that lead. Come on now.

[image loading]

oBlade's post brings up an actual issue. That's pretty hilarious and messed up.
LiquidDota Staff
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6298 Posts
July 27 2016 09:55 GMT
#90206
CNN didn't mention anything. If this happened at the RNC it would be a front page headline for weeks.

Glorified blogs don't count btw.
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6298 Posts
July 27 2016 09:58 GMT
#90207
On July 27 2016 18:55 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Google news which I've never filtered. Top stories first topic, first 3 headlines. Doing a pretty bad job of burying that lead. Come on now.

[image loading]

oBlade's post brings up an actual issue. That's pretty hilarious and messed up.

Eh, you reminded me about this while I was searching about the elections last night:

[image loading]
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 10:08:30
July 27 2016 10:01 GMT
#90208
On July 27 2016 18:55 zeo wrote:
CNN didn't mention anything. If this happened at the RNC it would be a front page headline for weeks.

Glorified blogs don't count btw.


1 news station didn't mention anything, oh ok then. The RNC was a ghost town, I'm pretty sure that wasn't front page headlines for weeks btw.

I still find it funny how Howard Dean's scream literally cost him the election. Like he had that in the bag, then 1 enthusiastic scream and he's done, it's over, that's it. Fast forward to 2016 and apparently nothing can hurt either candidate. 1 little scream seems so wholesome and silly and innocent looking back on it now. What a time to be alive.
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imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
July 27 2016 10:02 GMT
#90209
As a Bernie supporter, it's clear to me that you have to vote for the lesser evil in order to prevent the greater evil from getting more power.

It's unfortunate that during a time of internal strife and differing opinions within the Democratic Party, there's a neo-Hitler who has received the Republican nomination. If I had to choose between Neo-Hitler/possibly starting WW3 and corrupt politician, I think you pick the one who is not neo-Hitler....
im deaf
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23328 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 10:07:00
July 27 2016 10:02 GMT
#90210
On July 27 2016 18:31 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 17:46 zeo wrote:
Mainstream media talking about how peaceful and quiet day 2 is compared to day 1, no mention of everyone leaving. The more they try to spin this and bury it the angrier people will become.


"No mention of everyone leaving"

NBC News - How Sanders Delegates Organized a Walkout Under Everyone's Nose

CBS News - Bernie Sanders supporters stage walkout, protest outside convention

NY Times - Angry Bernie Sanders Supporters Protest Hillary Clinton’s Nomination

Washington Post - Bernie Sanders supporters say they get no media attention while getting lots of media attention [Meta]

NPR - 'They Cannot Silence Us': Sanders Supporters Protest After Clinton Nomination

NY Post - Sanders supporters walk out of DNC after Clinton nomination

Bussiness Insider - Sanders delegates occupy media tents at Democratic National Convention

Politico - Hundreds of Sanders supporters walk out after Clinton nominated

Huffington Post - Angry Bernie Sanders Supporters Stage Walkout At Democratic Convention

Slate - Walking Out of the DNC With Bernie’s Heartbroken Delegates

Maybe do a google search before taking /pol/'s word for everything?


lol pointing at all the negative spin articles that came out much later, ignores that it wasn't even mentioned on any of the live coverage, that they bused people in to fill the seats, or the countless other stuff. One article points to some verified twitter accounts with maybe ~100k followers between them.

People were talking about none of the major news networks saying a peep as they watched it happen.

It's obvious what they were trying to do and it's getting Orwellian with how hard people on both sides are covering for their candidate.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 10:34:00
July 27 2016 10:09 GMT
#90211
On July 27 2016 19:02 imBLIND wrote:
As a Bernie supporter, it's clear to me that you have to vote for the lesser evil in order to prevent the greater evil from getting more power.

It's unfortunate that during a time of internal strife and differing opinions within the Democratic Party, there's a neo-Hitler who has received the Republican nomination. If I had to choose between Neo-Hitler/possibly starting WW3 and corrupt politician, I think you pick the one who is not neo-Hitler....

Neo Hitler? Thats some serious case of brainwashing you got there. I have to notice it fits your nickname too.
sorry for dem one liners
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9129 Posts
July 27 2016 10:58 GMT
#90212
On July 27 2016 19:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 18:31 Dan HH wrote:
On July 27 2016 17:46 zeo wrote:
Mainstream media talking about how peaceful and quiet day 2 is compared to day 1, no mention of everyone leaving. The more they try to spin this and bury it the angrier people will become.


"No mention of everyone leaving"

NBC News - How Sanders Delegates Organized a Walkout Under Everyone's Nose

CBS News - Bernie Sanders supporters stage walkout, protest outside convention

NY Times - Angry Bernie Sanders Supporters Protest Hillary Clinton’s Nomination

Washington Post - Bernie Sanders supporters say they get no media attention while getting lots of media attention [Meta]

NPR - 'They Cannot Silence Us': Sanders Supporters Protest After Clinton Nomination

NY Post - Sanders supporters walk out of DNC after Clinton nomination

Bussiness Insider - Sanders delegates occupy media tents at Democratic National Convention

Politico - Hundreds of Sanders supporters walk out after Clinton nominated

Huffington Post - Angry Bernie Sanders Supporters Stage Walkout At Democratic Convention

Slate - Walking Out of the DNC With Bernie’s Heartbroken Delegates

Maybe do a google search before taking /pol/'s word for everything?


lol pointing at all the negative spin articles that came out much later, ignores that it wasn't even mentioned on any of the live coverage, that they bused people in to fill the seats, or the countless other stuff. One article points to some verified twitter accounts with maybe ~100k followers between them.

People were talking about none of the major news networks saying a peep as they watched it happen.

It's obvious what they were trying to do and it's getting Orwellian with how hard people on both sides are covering for their candidate.

Ah yes, there's nothing more Orwellian than verifiying claims made here instead of taking them at face value.

As for spin, I included some of the most biased known sources at the bottom to show that even those aren't hiding this story as zeo claimed. In the more respectable sources there's several articles about this, not just the ones I linked and not from 'much later'.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23328 Posts
July 27 2016 11:13 GMT
#90213
On July 27 2016 19:58 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 19:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 27 2016 18:31 Dan HH wrote:
On July 27 2016 17:46 zeo wrote:
Mainstream media talking about how peaceful and quiet day 2 is compared to day 1, no mention of everyone leaving. The more they try to spin this and bury it the angrier people will become.


"No mention of everyone leaving"

NBC News - How Sanders Delegates Organized a Walkout Under Everyone's Nose

CBS News - Bernie Sanders supporters stage walkout, protest outside convention

NY Times - Angry Bernie Sanders Supporters Protest Hillary Clinton’s Nomination

Washington Post - Bernie Sanders supporters say they get no media attention while getting lots of media attention [Meta]

NPR - 'They Cannot Silence Us': Sanders Supporters Protest After Clinton Nomination

NY Post - Sanders supporters walk out of DNC after Clinton nomination

Bussiness Insider - Sanders delegates occupy media tents at Democratic National Convention

Politico - Hundreds of Sanders supporters walk out after Clinton nominated

Huffington Post - Angry Bernie Sanders Supporters Stage Walkout At Democratic Convention

Slate - Walking Out of the DNC With Bernie’s Heartbroken Delegates

Maybe do a google search before taking /pol/'s word for everything?


lol pointing at all the negative spin articles that came out much later, ignores that it wasn't even mentioned on any of the live coverage, that they bused people in to fill the seats, or the countless other stuff. One article points to some verified twitter accounts with maybe ~100k followers between them.

People were talking about none of the major news networks saying a peep as they watched it happen.

It's obvious what they were trying to do and it's getting Orwellian with how hard people on both sides are covering for their candidate.

Ah yes, there's nothing more Orwellian than verifiying claims made here instead of taking them at face value.

As for spin, I included some of the most biased known sources at the bottom to show that even those aren't hiding this story as zeo claimed. In the more respectable sources there's several articles about this, not just the ones I linked and not from 'much later'.


The conventions are television events, where are the links to the television coverage last night?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12268 Posts
July 27 2016 11:17 GMT
#90214
On July 27 2016 19:58 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 19:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 27 2016 18:31 Dan HH wrote:
On July 27 2016 17:46 zeo wrote:
Mainstream media talking about how peaceful and quiet day 2 is compared to day 1, no mention of everyone leaving. The more they try to spin this and bury it the angrier people will become.


"No mention of everyone leaving"

NBC News - How Sanders Delegates Organized a Walkout Under Everyone's Nose

CBS News - Bernie Sanders supporters stage walkout, protest outside convention

NY Times - Angry Bernie Sanders Supporters Protest Hillary Clinton’s Nomination

Washington Post - Bernie Sanders supporters say they get no media attention while getting lots of media attention [Meta]

NPR - 'They Cannot Silence Us': Sanders Supporters Protest After Clinton Nomination

NY Post - Sanders supporters walk out of DNC after Clinton nomination

Bussiness Insider - Sanders delegates occupy media tents at Democratic National Convention

Politico - Hundreds of Sanders supporters walk out after Clinton nominated

Huffington Post - Angry Bernie Sanders Supporters Stage Walkout At Democratic Convention

Slate - Walking Out of the DNC With Bernie’s Heartbroken Delegates

Maybe do a google search before taking /pol/'s word for everything?


lol pointing at all the negative spin articles that came out much later, ignores that it wasn't even mentioned on any of the live coverage, that they bused people in to fill the seats, or the countless other stuff. One article points to some verified twitter accounts with maybe ~100k followers between them.

People were talking about none of the major news networks saying a peep as they watched it happen.

It's obvious what they were trying to do and it's getting Orwellian with how hard people on both sides are covering for their candidate.

Ah yes, there's nothing more Orwellian than verifiying claims made here instead of taking them at face value.

As for spin, I included some of the most biased known sources at the bottom to show that even those aren't hiding this story as zeo claimed. In the more respectable sources there's several articles about this, not just the ones I linked and not from 'much later'.


What about the live coverage, did they cover it or not?
No will to live, no wish to die
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21818 Posts
July 27 2016 11:27 GMT
#90215
On July 27 2016 20:13 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 19:58 Dan HH wrote:
On July 27 2016 19:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 27 2016 18:31 Dan HH wrote:
On July 27 2016 17:46 zeo wrote:
Mainstream media talking about how peaceful and quiet day 2 is compared to day 1, no mention of everyone leaving. The more they try to spin this and bury it the angrier people will become.


"No mention of everyone leaving"

NBC News - How Sanders Delegates Organized a Walkout Under Everyone's Nose

CBS News - Bernie Sanders supporters stage walkout, protest outside convention

NY Times - Angry Bernie Sanders Supporters Protest Hillary Clinton’s Nomination

Washington Post - Bernie Sanders supporters say they get no media attention while getting lots of media attention [Meta]

NPR - 'They Cannot Silence Us': Sanders Supporters Protest After Clinton Nomination

NY Post - Sanders supporters walk out of DNC after Clinton nomination

Bussiness Insider - Sanders delegates occupy media tents at Democratic National Convention

Politico - Hundreds of Sanders supporters walk out after Clinton nominated

Huffington Post - Angry Bernie Sanders Supporters Stage Walkout At Democratic Convention

Slate - Walking Out of the DNC With Bernie’s Heartbroken Delegates

Maybe do a google search before taking /pol/'s word for everything?


lol pointing at all the negative spin articles that came out much later, ignores that it wasn't even mentioned on any of the live coverage, that they bused people in to fill the seats, or the countless other stuff. One article points to some verified twitter accounts with maybe ~100k followers between them.

People were talking about none of the major news networks saying a peep as they watched it happen.

It's obvious what they were trying to do and it's getting Orwellian with how hard people on both sides are covering for their candidate.

Ah yes, there's nothing more Orwellian than verifiying claims made here instead of taking them at face value.

As for spin, I included some of the most biased known sources at the bottom to show that even those aren't hiding this story as zeo claimed. In the more respectable sources there's several articles about this, not just the ones I linked and not from 'much later'.


The conventions are television events, where are the links to the television coverage last night?

Again, wtf did you expect would happen?
No the dems are not going to broadcast the walkout. especially not when you don't do it while the camera's are on you...
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23328 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 11:32:48
July 27 2016 11:30 GMT
#90216
On July 27 2016 20:27 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 20:13 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 27 2016 19:58 Dan HH wrote:
On July 27 2016 19:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 27 2016 18:31 Dan HH wrote:
On July 27 2016 17:46 zeo wrote:
Mainstream media talking about how peaceful and quiet day 2 is compared to day 1, no mention of everyone leaving. The more they try to spin this and bury it the angrier people will become.


"No mention of everyone leaving"

NBC News - How Sanders Delegates Organized a Walkout Under Everyone's Nose

CBS News - Bernie Sanders supporters stage walkout, protest outside convention

NY Times - Angry Bernie Sanders Supporters Protest Hillary Clinton’s Nomination

Washington Post - Bernie Sanders supporters say they get no media attention while getting lots of media attention [Meta]

NPR - 'They Cannot Silence Us': Sanders Supporters Protest After Clinton Nomination

NY Post - Sanders supporters walk out of DNC after Clinton nomination

Bussiness Insider - Sanders delegates occupy media tents at Democratic National Convention

Politico - Hundreds of Sanders supporters walk out after Clinton nominated

Huffington Post - Angry Bernie Sanders Supporters Stage Walkout At Democratic Convention

Slate - Walking Out of the DNC With Bernie’s Heartbroken Delegates

Maybe do a google search before taking /pol/'s word for everything?


lol pointing at all the negative spin articles that came out much later, ignores that it wasn't even mentioned on any of the live coverage, that they bused people in to fill the seats, or the countless other stuff. One article points to some verified twitter accounts with maybe ~100k followers between them.

People were talking about none of the major news networks saying a peep as they watched it happen.

It's obvious what they were trying to do and it's getting Orwellian with how hard people on both sides are covering for their candidate.

Ah yes, there's nothing more Orwellian than verifiying claims made here instead of taking them at face value.

As for spin, I included some of the most biased known sources at the bottom to show that even those aren't hiding this story as zeo claimed. In the more respectable sources there's several articles about this, not just the ones I linked and not from 'much later'.


The conventions are television events, where are the links to the television coverage last night?

Again, wtf did you expect would happen?
No the dems are not going to broadcast the walkout. especially not when you don't do it while the camera's are on you...


Are you intentionally calling the major "news" networks "the dems"?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
July 27 2016 11:44 GMT
#90217
On July 27 2016 19:02 imBLIND wrote:
As a Bernie supporter, it's clear to me that you have to vote for the lesser evil in order to prevent the greater evil from getting more power.

It's unfortunate that during a time of internal strife and differing opinions within the Democratic Party, there's a neo-Hitler who has received the Republican nomination. If I had to choose between Neo-Hitler/possibly starting WW3 and corrupt politician, I think you pick the one who is not neo-Hitler....


It is a frightening notion that this almost sounds like perfectly rational thinking. But I agree that you can be a Bernie supporter, out there protesting the process at the DNC and still vote for the corporate shell that received the nomination in order to... help prevent/delay world war 3
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6298 Posts
July 27 2016 11:52 GMT
#90218
On July 27 2016 20:44 a_flayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 19:02 imBLIND wrote:
As a Bernie supporter, it's clear to me that you have to vote for the lesser evil in order to prevent the greater evil from getting more power.

It's unfortunate that during a time of internal strife and differing opinions within the Democratic Party, there's a neo-Hitler who has received the Republican nomination. If I had to choose between Neo-Hitler/possibly starting WW3 and corrupt politician, I think you pick the one who is not neo-Hitler....


It is a frightening notion that this almost sounds like perfectly rational thinking. But I agree that you can be a Bernie supporter, out there protesting the process at the DNC and still vote for the corporate shell that received the nomination in order to... help prevent/delay world war 3

Can you people make up your minds already?

Is Trump BFF's with Putin or will he go to nuclear war with Russia? You can't have it both ways.

'Putin wants Trump in power because its going to bring us closer to WW3'. How does that even make sense?
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1353 Posts
July 27 2016 11:52 GMT
#90219
Looking at it now,it kinda is remarkable that Clinton still got the nomination after the email leak.
In many other countries the party would have fallen apart,or at least not nominate Clinton.
The leaks should have come out 1 week earlier,then there was time for the anger to build up.
Now everyone was still in shock and the party managed to push Clinton through with the help of sanders.
Sanders better got some very hard guarantees for his platform in these negotiations. Hope its not only the vague promise of a 15$ minimum wage sometimes in the future.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 11:57:13
July 27 2016 11:56 GMT
#90220
Trump actually put support of LGBTQ into his acceptance speech at a Republican Convention.
Pretty sure he'd get shot on the spot not that long ago
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
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