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On July 27 2016 13:54 Nyxisto wrote:
I don't even understand what this insult means. Have you looked at their actual tax and economic policies? Trump's planning to reduce the corporate tax rate by 20%, Like on what actual policy is this accusation of being a corporate puppet based?
To be fair, Trump being massively favorable to big corporations does not mean that Hillary isn't. But I'll still take the corporate shill that has nominal obligations to the progressive elements of her party over the one that has no such obligation.
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Yeah, Hillary isn't the great wealth distributor that any left-leaning person would want, but she sure as hell isn't representing policies that would hurt low and middle-income families as badly as anything that Trump has to offer.
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Honestly with all the wikileaks about the DNC rigging the election and buying out the MSM I feel like voting anyone else besides Hillary is like the ethical move if you care at all about fighting for fairness and values of democracy.
To vote for Hillary is to endorse 'yes i'm okay with a corrupt political establishment rigging the election and purchasing the media'
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On July 27 2016 14:01 Nyxisto wrote:
Yeah, Hillary isn't the great wealth distributor that any left-leaning person would want, but she sure as hell isn't representing policies that would hurt low and middle-income families as badly as anything that Trump has to offer.
I agree with you. My view is that today she is "corporate", but is making some "concessions" to win the election.
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The thing for me is that a lot of how the President does his job is how they interact with Congress.
GGTemplar, I know you've personally made the case that Trump is further left than the shitty wing of the GOP, and I can see the argument for that. The problem I see is that Trump being in the White House does not make all those shitty GOP congresspeople disappear. He's still a Republican president with a Republican congress. That inherently puts him in a position where he's less likely to oppose them on social issues even when he is further left than they are. Whereas even if Hillary's probably not as progressive as she pretends to be, she also has to play ball with her party, in which the progressive elements are becoming harder to ignore.
The fact that he took an extreme social conservative like Pence over his other options for VP means that on some level he's likewise forced to play ball with the worst parts of his party (Pence is honestly more distasteful to me than Trump). I'd be somewhat more amenable to Trump if that hadn't been the case.
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On July 27 2016 14:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Honestly with all the wikileaks about the DNC rigging the election and buying out the MSM I feel like voting anyone else besides Hillary is like the ethical move if you care at all about fighting for fairness and values of democracy.
To vote for Hillary is to endorse 'yes i'm okay with a corrupt political establishment rigging the election and purchasing the media'
All in all a sad situation. The biggest negative for me is the email scandal. There is literally no reason to use private email other than wanting to put personal goals before service to the public. Completely ridiculous.
Having said that, which the binary choice between her or Trump, you'd have to go with her. Trump can literally cause a third world war.
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On July 27 2016 14:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Honestly with all the wikileaks about the DNC rigging the election and buying out the MSM I feel like voting anyone else besides Hillary is like the ethical move if you care at all about fighting for fairness and values of democracy.
To vote for Hillary is to endorse 'yes i'm okay with a corrupt political establishment rigging the election and purchasing the media'
and the sad thing here is that I'm pretty sure the majority of people are somewhat aware of that, or at least have it in the back of their mind while trying to put themselves at ease thinking "aw it's not thaaaat bad" because they realize they're even more scared of the other option at hand and everything he brings with him.
That's the weirdest part about US politics for me. It's always people going all the way comming to the conclusion that their party is the better one and since it's so obvious the other one is shitty the other people must literally be doing it to purposely screw over the country. If that's what you think of the opposition and you literally consider them to be evil people out to end the country there's really no point in discussing, is there?
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On July 27 2016 13:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 13:06 Vin{MBL} wrote:On July 27 2016 13:02 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 12:58 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 12:57 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 12:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I think it's hilarious how hard democrats are trying to get people to vote for Hillary under the guise of 'getting everyone to vote'
And how they're basically shaming people into voting for her at this point even when they don't want to That is one way to convince yourself that they are not telling everyone to vote for the person who gives a fuck about them. Unlike billionaire narcissist. You should probably calm down I am pretty tired, but Trump still doesnt' care about anyone but himself. Never has, never will. The same can be said for Hilary though... You need to watch Bill Clinton's speech that he gave tonight. It disproves your statement a thousand times over. She's been working to help America and Americans- and actually succeeding- for over forty years now.
If you swallowed what he said whole, sure it's a great run down. When you go and talk to the people she worked with at these places/time like at let's say the child defense fund (one of her popular bragging points), you get a much different version of what happened.
So I've seen a lot of Hillary ad's, no Trump ads, and Trump leading. Is that just WA or is she spending tens of millions on ad's and he almost nothing and he's shifted the statistical tie to a point where he's leading it?
To vote for Hillary is to endorse 'yes i'm okay with a corrupt political establishment rigging the election and purchasing the media'
Sad that Trump supporters are quicker to recognize this than "liberals"
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On July 27 2016 14:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Honestly with all the wikileaks about the DNC rigging the election and buying out the MSM I feel like voting anyone else besides Hillary is like the ethical move if you care at all about fighting for fairness and values of democracy.
To vote for Hillary is to endorse 'yes i'm okay with a corrupt political establishment rigging the election and purchasing the media'
It's no coincidence that every network happened to use the word "dark" to describe Trumps speech
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On July 27 2016 04:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I honestly don't get why presidential election day isn't a national holiday anyways.
Oh, that wouldn't help though - underprivileged people often have to work on national holidays and would make the situation worse 
My best friend is African American and Mexican - and he's the most racist person I know. We've built quite a bond over the years (He has my car/house keys and vise versa since I have little family here in Arizona). We bring up a lot of hot topics, learn a bit from each other, and make each other better.
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On July 27 2016 14:23 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +To vote for Hillary is to endorse 'yes i'm okay with a corrupt political establishment rigging the election and purchasing the media' Sad that Trump supporters are quicker to recognize this than "liberals"
I recognize that a vote for Hillary is a vote for corruption, media manipulation, and "democracy". Too bad 1) our system is realistically binary and 2) the other choice is Trump. So I'm voting for Hillary.
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On July 27 2016 14:16 Vin{MBL} wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 14:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Honestly with all the wikileaks about the DNC rigging the election and buying out the MSM I feel like voting anyone else besides Hillary is like the ethical move if you care at all about fighting for fairness and values of democracy.
To vote for Hillary is to endorse 'yes i'm okay with a corrupt political establishment rigging the election and purchasing the media' All in all a sad situation. The biggest negative for me is the email scandal. There is literally no reason to use private email other than wanting to put personal goals before service to the public. Completely ridiculous. Having said that, which the binary choice between her or Trump, you'd have to go with her. Trump can literally cause a third world war.
I just have to disagree I think the media is overplaying that as part of their corruption/bias from the DNC.
They've literally played the two same attacks against the same person
'Trump is so crazy on FP he will start a WW3 with Russia'
'Trump is such good friends with Putin he's working with Russia to attack the Hillary campaign'
It's just fearmongering hyperbolic rhetoric
Yea he's a big-mouthed asshole but I don't foresee WW3 coming of his administration
On July 27 2016 14:24 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 14:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Honestly with all the wikileaks about the DNC rigging the election and buying out the MSM I feel like voting anyone else besides Hillary is like the ethical move if you care at all about fighting for fairness and values of democracy.
To vote for Hillary is to endorse 'yes i'm okay with a corrupt political establishment rigging the election and purchasing the media' It's no coincidence that every network happened to use the word "dark" to describe Trumps speech
This is an actual thing
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On July 27 2016 14:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
To vote for Hillary is to endorse 'yes i'm okay with a corrupt political establishment rigging the election and purchasing the media'
Look at what a Trump vote has us endorse and do the math... It's kind of basic.
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On July 27 2016 14:46 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 14:23 GreenHorizons wrote:To vote for Hillary is to endorse 'yes i'm okay with a corrupt political establishment rigging the election and purchasing the media' Sad that Trump supporters are quicker to recognize this than "liberals" I recognize that a vote for Hillary is a vote for corruption, media manipulation, and "democracy". Too bad 1) our system is realistically binary and 2) the other choice is Trump. So I'm voting for Hillary.
I think that's the message that DNC is trying to send, but you say Trump in such vain.
There is no progression there, saying since the other choice is Trump, I'm voting for Hillary... Just look at his most recent interviews in the last couple days, I don't think dark is the right word at all.
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I think he's been making very solid arguments, and imo, few questionable things... Obviously it's not an automatic 100% positive reception like with Clinton... "Let's work together", but come on, great down to earth man with good ideas. And he gets shafted because he doesn't script everything and doesn't have it looked over by 10 people before he says it.
People who think Trump is evil in any larger capacity than your typical nominee is out of their mind.
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On July 27 2016 14:56 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 14:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
To vote for Hillary is to endorse 'yes i'm okay with a corrupt political establishment rigging the election and purchasing the media' Look at what a Trump vote has us endorse and do the math... It's kind of basic.
What does it have you endorse? Do people still consider him racist? Thats so shortsighted.
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On July 27 2016 14:56 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 14:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
To vote for Hillary is to endorse 'yes i'm okay with a corrupt political establishment rigging the election and purchasing the media' Look at what a Trump vote has us endorse and do the math... It's kind of basic.
I try to look on the bright side.
I'm rewarding the GOP for electing a socially liberal candidate, dropping the anti-gay bullshit, and toning down the christian rhetoric from the frontrunner, while punishing the DNC for rigging the election and media.
In 2020 if Trump is doing a bad job, we can see a healthy DNC primary competition for a viable competitor - from the speakers at the DNC there should be no shortage of these.
If Trump does a mediocre or great job, then all the better.
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On July 27 2016 14:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 14:16 Vin{MBL} wrote:On July 27 2016 14:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Honestly with all the wikileaks about the DNC rigging the election and buying out the MSM I feel like voting anyone else besides Hillary is like the ethical move if you care at all about fighting for fairness and values of democracy.
To vote for Hillary is to endorse 'yes i'm okay with a corrupt political establishment rigging the election and purchasing the media' All in all a sad situation. The biggest negative for me is the email scandal. There is literally no reason to use private email other than wanting to put personal goals before service to the public. Completely ridiculous. Having said that, which the binary choice between her or Trump, you'd have to go with her. Trump can literally cause a third world war. I just have to disagree I think the media is overplaying that as part of their corruption/bias from the DNC. They've literally played the two same attacks against the same person 'Trump is so crazy on FP he will start a WW3 with Russia' 'Trump is such good friends with Putin he's working with Russia to attack the Hillary campaign' It's just fearmongering hyperbolic rhetoric Yea he's a big-mouthed asshole but I don't foresee WW3 coming of his administration Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 14:24 CorsairHero wrote:On July 27 2016 14:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Honestly with all the wikileaks about the DNC rigging the election and buying out the MSM I feel like voting anyone else besides Hillary is like the ethical move if you care at all about fighting for fairness and values of democracy.
To vote for Hillary is to endorse 'yes i'm okay with a corrupt political establishment rigging the election and purchasing the media' It's no coincidence that every network happened to use the word "dark" to describe Trumps speech This is an actual thing
Even his plasmaballs... 
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.... and you people on the left wonder why we on the right ceaselessly complain about media bias.
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On July 27 2016 14:16 Vin{MBL} wrote:
Trump can literally cause a third world war.
Honestly, I don't think Hillary is less likely than Trump to cause WW3.
On July 27 2016 15:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I'm rewarding the GOP for electing a socially liberal candidate, dropping the anti-gay bullshit, and toning down the christian rhetoric from the frontrunner, while punishing the DNC for rigging the election and media.
Trump might not be anti-gay, but the GOP still very much is. It's not "dropped" until it comes off the GOP Platform. Trump being "socially liberal" is meaningless if it isn't reflected by the party as a whole.
A "socially liberal" candidate isn't good enough for the GOP to get my vote if they still surround him with socially conservative yes-men. Trump being in the White House doesn't mean the old GOP packs up and leaves Washington--they just figured out that they have to pretend to like him if they want to keep their jobs before going back to business as usual.
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On July 27 2016 15:11 xDaunt wrote:
.... and you people on the left wonder why we on the right ceaselessly complain about media bias.
It's kind of silly, isn't it, to complain that private corporations aren't public institutions?
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