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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
ill moderate myself, he's run of mill cuckservative who does little to help trump's platform, and allows foreign influence to seep into trump's platform by being the biggest israel fanboy one could be. I reckon pence was part of Trump's deal with GOP donors who very much would love a man like pence as the VP spot this doesn't change my vote, but it leaves me to be disappointed. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23311 Posts
On July 16 2016 04:32 xDaunt wrote: Trump doesn't need a democrat or other moderate to steal votes. He'll do that well enough on his own. What he needs is someone to shore up the conservative and republican bases, which are still highly suspicious of him. Pence does that. Yeah Pence seems like a pick so Trump has someone going around saying the crazy stuff to appeal to the base while Trump can be the more moderate one. Trump will sell himself as a broker between the far right and the middle promising to get both sides a better deal than the "idiot" politicians. | ||
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oBlade
United States5674 Posts
On July 16 2016 04:17 Gorsameth wrote: As close as he can get more or less yeah. Hillary's unfavorably numbers show that there is room to get voters outside the traditional Republican audience. Doubling down gets him nowhere. He can do that himself. I think you're overestimating the running mate's job. He's basically an independent colored red. The social issues are a pretense on both sides now. Hillary claims to be for gay marriage after the cultural winds shift. Trump claims to be pro-life as soon as he runs as a Republican. All Republicans are against gay marriage and pro-life on paper. It's a SCOTUS issue now and at the national level it's out of the hands of social conservative crusaders. Where you actually have to watch out for people being active against women's rights and gay rights in practice is at the state level. If anything, Pence becoming VP instead of a governor makes him impotent on that front. | ||
KwarK
United States42983 Posts
Or someone like McCain but Trump has burned the moderates within the party. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
well, if they have the balls to do so | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23311 Posts
Also, the "28 pages" show closer connections to Saudi Arabia than any terrorist in the US has shown to any organization but we accept the idea that they were associates and pshh the idea that SA was involved in 9/11? | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On July 16 2016 04:50 KwarK wrote: Or someone like McCain but Trump has burned the moderates within the party. The only position John Rambo McCain should go into is "retiree." He'd probably shore up support for the pro-war and pro-trade groups that are scared of Trump though. I feel like those positions of his lose him a lot of support within the Republican establishment. On July 16 2016 05:10 GreenHorizons wrote: We all "match the description". I love that they know they are being recorded, but they just lie repeatedly anyway. No fear of accountability... https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/753909104410710016 Also, the "28 pages" show closer connections to Saudi Arabia than any terrorist in the US has shown to any organization but we accept the idea that they were associates and pshh the idea that SA was involved in 9/11? Maintaining alliances with shitty countries occasionally involves a wee bit of willful ignorance. A sad fact of FP. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On July 16 2016 05:31 LegalLord wrote: The only position John Rambo McCain should go into is "retiree." He'd probably shore up support for the pro-war and pro-trade groups that are scared of Trump though. I feel like those positions of his lose him a lot of support within the Republican establishment. Maintaining alliances with shitty countries occasionally involves a wee bit of willful ignorance. A sad fact of FP. I'm not sure that willful ignorance should extend to attacks on our own country. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44618 Posts
On July 16 2016 05:10 GreenHorizons wrote: We all "match the description". I love that they know they are being recorded, but they just lie repeatedly anyway. No fear of accountability... https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/753909104410710016 That's fucked up. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
That is one of the states that want to prevent the release of body camera videos and put them in the complete control of the police. Not sure if they are also pushing for a law to make it a crime to put videos of the police being put on social media. Because many police departments in the US are garbage. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
On July 16 2016 01:38 Seuss wrote: http://venturebeat.com/2016/07/15/twitch-plays-politics-game-streaming-service-to-broadcast-gop-and-dem-conventions/ Twitch chat is going to be glorious. This will be a lot of fun!  | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36806380 Ignoring the blatant illegality of it, do any of the Trump supporters here agree with the principle? Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has suggested testing all US Muslims to see if they believe in Sharia, and deporting those who do. Sharia is Islamic religious law based on the Koran, the life of Muhammad and the rulings of Islamic scholars. Mr Gingrich's comments follow an attack in the French city of Nice, which has killed at least 84 people. His comments echo the sentiments of Donald Trump, who has said Muslims should be banned from entering the US. "Western civilisation is in a war. We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background and if they believe in Sharia they should be deported," Mr Gingrich told Fox News. "Sharia is incompatible with western civilisation. Modern Muslims who have given up Sharia, glad to have them as citizens. Perfectly happy to have them next door," he added. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9129 Posts
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-idUSKCN0ZV2OA | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On July 16 2016 05:48 Doodsmack wrote: I'm not sure that willful ignorance should extend to attacks on our own country. Whether or not it should, it does. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44618 Posts
On July 16 2016 04:06 ticklishmusic wrote: Planned Parenthood made: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tfUeyuR.png) and other people are having fun with TP too... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ptXxYPY.jpg) | ||
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Cowboy24
94 Posts
Trump did not have that large of a pool to choose from. Everyone has baggage after that Primary and a lot of the other conservatives are afraid of signing their career onto a Trump ticket, and some are even Never Trump. So among the choices he did have, who helps him the most (or hurts him the least)? Gingrich was an early favorite, but the pick is only intriguing on the surface. Then you realize Gingrich is even older than Trump, has three decades of baggage, and is best known for what? Off-the-wall opinions/statements and being a bit of a political outsider. He is too much like Trump to be an effective VP, and he is also not well-loved by the Party. Flynn looks great on paper. Then you realize he's a social liberal (like Trump), is another outsider (and former Democrat, I believe), and there is definitely some questions about his ability to handle a campaign like this. And again, there are big concerns with Trump already among conservatives. Flynn would have confirmed, for many of them, those suspicions that Trump is just a "centrist" candidate. Christie was dead on arrival. He's from New Jersey (New York, New Jersey ticket? No thanks), he is known for being bombastic and combative (too much like Trump), has god-awful negatives, and is hated by both wings of the party: conservatives and the Establishment. His sole value comes in loyalty, but his loyalty isn't the honorable, impressive type that people look up to and respect. His loyalty is more like the "I will be loyal to the strongest person around because otherwise I'll be devoured by all the other people I've burned" type that everyone instinctively despises. Pence is boring, a little weak-willed, and pretty hard-line social conservative; but he is also really popular with the Ted Cruz crowd, is acceptable to the Establishment, is young, and doesn't represent any major dangers. Trump is already pretty centrist (no one really believes he is "strongly" pro-life, or that he doesn't like gay marriage), and that is a huge sore point among the Ted Cruz crowd. Mike Pence can help lock up the Mark Levin demographic, which has been teetering on jettisoning Trump. It was his least worst choice, and as far as it goes it's not even that bad. It helps shore up his base at a critical time and it doesn't give the Dems much ammo. His handling of the announcement was meh, but then again, it was leaked, and he had a terrorist attack the night before he was supposed to announce. I'll give him a break on this one for unfortunate timing. On July 16 2016 04:32 xDaunt wrote: Trump doesn't need a democrat or other moderate to steal votes. He'll do that well enough on his own. What he needs is someone to shore up the conservative and republican bases, which are still highly suspicious of him. Pence does that. This guy gets it. | ||
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farvacola
United States18832 Posts
History will repeat itself | ||
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Introvert
United States4825 Posts
As I said before, any conservative that goes with Trump loses his own reputation, instead of elevating Trump's. Just another example of Pence's squishiness. Perfect for Trump, if you think about it. http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/14/mike-pence-makes-a-good-match-for-trump/ | ||
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oBlade
United States5674 Posts
On July 16 2016 07:16 On_Slaught wrote: Dumbest thing ever said by a politician? Perhaps Newt is racing to the bottom in a hope to get Trump Sempai to notice him. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36806380 Ignoring the blatant illegality of it, do any of the Trump supporters here agree with the principle? You probably won't like this, but since you asked, I doubt he was talking about US citizens, that's the BBC's interpretation. He also talked about making visiting websites a felony, so I think he's reacting after a tragedy. But testing people's specific beliefs is a practical refinement, and it would be good inasmuch as the rest of the world would follow the example of the US. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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