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On July 16 2016 03:25 biology]major wrote:
Highly disagree with the Pence pick, this election is going to come down to bernie supporters and independents. This type of social conservatism will really put off that voting block even more than their resentment towards HRC. Should have just gone with his gut and gone with Christie or one of the generals. His campaign has always been about following his gut and doing what he feels is right, now some idiot aides are applying 'strategy' to a campaign that has been anything but that. Sad to see, it might have been his own family that were too stupid to see how this is a bad move.
Christie wouldn't have been a much better pick.
That said, Pence is indeed a pretty terrible pick. I don't even see how it's strategic. He can only alienate moderates or anyone else that isn't already conservative and will already vote for Trump over Clinton.
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On July 16 2016 03:39 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2016 03:25 biology]major wrote:
Highly disagree with the Pence pick, this election is going to come down to bernie supporters and independents. This type of social conservatism will really put off that voting block even more than their resentment towards HRC. Should have just gone with his gut and gone with Christie or one of the generals. His campaign has always been about following his gut and doing what he feels is right, now some idiot aides are applying 'strategy' to a campaign that has been anything but that. Sad to see, it might have been his own family that were too stupid to see how this is a bad move. Christie wouldn't have been a much better pick. That said, Pence is indeed a pretty terrible pick. I don't even see how it's strategic. He can only alienate moderates or anyone else that isn't already conservative and will already vote for Trump over Clinton.
He signed a law legally mandating funerals for aborted fetuses. Thankfully a federal judge blocked the law.
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On July 16 2016 03:39 ZeaL. wrote:
Quick reminder that the supposed calculated businessman who wants the nuclear launch codes couldn't even confidently pick a VP with several months to vet.
You acting like choosing a VP candidate here should be an easy choice for anyone and that it's a discredit to Trump for not being confident in his choice reeks of bias and double-standards.
I'd say the fact that he's not confident in a terrible decision is a good thing. Much better than being confident in a terrible decision.
If you want to shitpost at least pick something worth criticizing him over like the mere fact that he picked Pence
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I don't know, I still have stopped criticizing the Palin VP pick.
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On July 16 2016 03:43 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2016 03:39 ZeaL. wrote:
Quick reminder that the supposed calculated businessman who wants the nuclear launch codes couldn't even confidently pick a VP with several months to vet. You acting like choosing a VP candidate here should be an easy choice for anyone and that it's a discredit to Trump for not being confident in his choice reeks of bias and double-standards. I'd say the fact that he's not confident in a terrible decision is a good thing. Much better than being confident in a terrible decision. If you want to shitpost at least pick something worth criticizing him over like the mere fact that he picked Pence
Why is an obviously shit VP pick even being considered by Trump. Like what the fuck is the logic here. This is a guy who decided to endorse Ted Cruz right before he dropped out.. Was about to lose his re-election campaign as an incumbent. Is about as backwards as you can get. Nets a population that was going to vote for him anyways.
He's had several months. He's either indecisive/surrounded by incompetent people or he's just plain not that smart.
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On July 16 2016 03:43 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2016 03:39 ZeaL. wrote:
Quick reminder that the supposed calculated businessman who wants the nuclear launch codes couldn't even confidently pick a VP with several months to vet. You acting like choosing a VP candidate here should be an easy choice for anyone and that it's a discredit to Trump for not being confident in his choice reeks of bias and double-standards. I'd say the fact that he's not confident in a terrible decision is a good thing. Much better than being confident in a terrible decision. If you want to shitpost at least pick something worth criticizing him over like the mere fact that he picked Pence
I have to disagree here. I would rather have someone who makes a bad choice for what he believes are good reasons then someone who makes a bad choice knowing that it is a bad choice.
The former you can atleast try to reason with and change his views.
Considering VP picks can make or break a campaign (mostly break) the fact he made the choice despite his seeming lack of faith in it is a terrible sign.
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On July 16 2016 02:56 Gorsameth wrote:This combined with Trump tweeting his VP after cancelling the announcement today just adds to my comment from yesterday that it felt like he was getting cold feet. And yes, the pivot to the center, which was already dead, has now been truly buried.
Maybe, but the campaign gossip reporting has also been of questionable veracity. There really wasn't a "wrong" pick between Gingrich and Pence. Gingrich seemed to possibly inadvertently signal he didn't think he would be the best VP with the "two pirate ticket" line.
I agree with Introvert it's not a pick that should cost him anything. Trump is already a centrist candidate. The social conservatism is not really relevant anymore, gay marriage and abortion and whatever have been pretty well settled. That shouldn't be the focus of this election. For the VP pick to really shake independents, it would have to be like a Cruz or Palin. For me, anyway. This is a political insider who has access to establishment money for the campaign and can work with the legislature. That's what he needs.
On July 16 2016 03:39 ZeaL. wrote:
Quick reminder that the supposed calculated businessman who wants the nuclear launch codes couldn't even confidently pick a VP with several months to vet.
Also, good luck winning an election with only white males with Pence. I guess Trump can take comfort in that he'll probably beat Mondale's numbers so he won't be the biggest failure of a presidential candidate in US history.
Excuse me, if you're worried about the nuclear codes, you should be voting for the person who won't accidentally email them to the Kremlin. Nuclear weapons are controlled at every level by at least two people - at the top it's the President and Secretary of Defense. Between this and global warming, I know we really want to try to draw up a plausible scenario where the candidate we don't like destroys the entire world, but it's not happening.
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On July 16 2016 03:52 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2016 03:43 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 16 2016 03:39 ZeaL. wrote:
Quick reminder that the supposed calculated businessman who wants the nuclear launch codes couldn't even confidently pick a VP with several months to vet. You acting like choosing a VP candidate here should be an easy choice for anyone and that it's a discredit to Trump for not being confident in his choice reeks of bias and double-standards. I'd say the fact that he's not confident in a terrible decision is a good thing. Much better than being confident in a terrible decision. If you want to shitpost at least pick something worth criticizing him over like the mere fact that he picked Pence Why is an obviously shit VP pick even being considered by Trump. Like what the fuck is the logic here. This is a guy who decided to endorse Ted Cruz right before he dropped out.. Was about to lose his re-election campaign as an incumbent. Is about as backwards as you can get. Nets a population that was going to vote for him anyways. He's had several months. He's either indecisive/surrounded by incompetent people or he's just plain not that smart.
The fact that news agencies are getting wind that Trump spent all of last night trying to roll back the decision really shows how organized and professional this all is. All B-roll going forward should have yacky sacks playing in the background for accuracy.
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On July 16 2016 03:52 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2016 03:43 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 16 2016 03:39 ZeaL. wrote:
Quick reminder that the supposed calculated businessman who wants the nuclear launch codes couldn't even confidently pick a VP with several months to vet. You acting like choosing a VP candidate here should be an easy choice for anyone and that it's a discredit to Trump for not being confident in his choice reeks of bias and double-standards. I'd say the fact that he's not confident in a terrible decision is a good thing. Much better than being confident in a terrible decision. If you want to shitpost at least pick something worth criticizing him over like the mere fact that he picked Pence Why is an obviously shit VP pick even being considered by Trump. Like what the fuck is the logic here. This is a guy who decided to endorse Ted Cruz right before he dropped out.. Was about to lose his re-election campaign as an incumbent. Is about as backwards as you can get. Nets a population that was going to vote for him anyways. He's had several months. He's either indecisive/surrounded by incompetent people or he's just plain not that smart.
Many good VP choices probably want nothing to do with Trump because of his remarks. He had a very slim field to pick from.
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On July 16 2016 03:56 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2016 03:52 ZeaL. wrote:On July 16 2016 03:43 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 16 2016 03:39 ZeaL. wrote:
Quick reminder that the supposed calculated businessman who wants the nuclear launch codes couldn't even confidently pick a VP with several months to vet. You acting like choosing a VP candidate here should be an easy choice for anyone and that it's a discredit to Trump for not being confident in his choice reeks of bias and double-standards. I'd say the fact that he's not confident in a terrible decision is a good thing. Much better than being confident in a terrible decision. If you want to shitpost at least pick something worth criticizing him over like the mere fact that he picked Pence Why is an obviously shit VP pick even being considered by Trump. Like what the fuck is the logic here. This is a guy who decided to endorse Ted Cruz right before he dropped out.. Was about to lose his re-election campaign as an incumbent. Is about as backwards as you can get. Nets a population that was going to vote for him anyways. He's had several months. He's either indecisive/surrounded by incompetent people or he's just plain not that smart. Many good VP choices probably want nothing to do with Trump because of his remarks. He had a very slim field to pick from.
This is likely true as well. A large chunk of the GOP isn't event attending the convention.
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On July 16 2016 03:54 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2016 02:56 Gorsameth wrote:This combined with Trump tweeting his VP after cancelling the announcement today just adds to my comment from yesterday that it felt like he was getting cold feet. And yes, the pivot to the center, which was already dead, has now been truly buried. Maybe, but the campaign gossip reporting has also been of questionable veracity. There really wasn't a "wrong" pick between Gingrich and Pence. Gingrich seemed to possibly inadvertently signal he didn't think he would be the best VP with the "two pirate ticket" line. I agree with Introvert it's not a pick that should cost him anything. Trump is already a centrist candidate. The social conservatism is not really relevant anymore, gay marriage and abortion and whatever have been pretty well settled. That shouldn't be the focus of this election. For the VP pick to really shake independents, it would have to be like a Cruz or Palin. For me, anyway. This is a political insider who has access to establishment money for the campaign and can work with the legislature. That's what he needs.
He needed a moderate political insider, someone who could surpress his more radical remarks and enable him to make a play to get center voters. He gains nothing from getting an anti-abortion/gays/illegals VP.
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On July 16 2016 03:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2016 03:56 Gorsameth wrote:On July 16 2016 03:52 ZeaL. wrote:On July 16 2016 03:43 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 16 2016 03:39 ZeaL. wrote:
Quick reminder that the supposed calculated businessman who wants the nuclear launch codes couldn't even confidently pick a VP with several months to vet. You acting like choosing a VP candidate here should be an easy choice for anyone and that it's a discredit to Trump for not being confident in his choice reeks of bias and double-standards. I'd say the fact that he's not confident in a terrible decision is a good thing. Much better than being confident in a terrible decision. If you want to shitpost at least pick something worth criticizing him over like the mere fact that he picked Pence Why is an obviously shit VP pick even being considered by Trump. Like what the fuck is the logic here. This is a guy who decided to endorse Ted Cruz right before he dropped out.. Was about to lose his re-election campaign as an incumbent. Is about as backwards as you can get. Nets a population that was going to vote for him anyways. He's had several months. He's either indecisive/surrounded by incompetent people or he's just plain not that smart. Many good VP choices probably want nothing to do with Trump because of his remarks. He had a very slim field to pick from. This is likely true as well. A large chunk of the GOP isn't event attending the convention.
the DNC convention has Michelle Obama and Bernie Sanders day 1, Bill Clinton day 2 and Obama + Biden on Day 3 as headliners.
the difference is striking
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For people intending to vote for Trump, are *any* of you happy with this pick?
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On July 16 2016 03:59 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2016 03:54 oBlade wrote:On July 16 2016 02:56 Gorsameth wrote:This combined with Trump tweeting his VP after cancelling the announcement today just adds to my comment from yesterday that it felt like he was getting cold feet. And yes, the pivot to the center, which was already dead, has now been truly buried. Maybe, but the campaign gossip reporting has also been of questionable veracity. There really wasn't a "wrong" pick between Gingrich and Pence. Gingrich seemed to possibly inadvertently signal he didn't think he would be the best VP with the "two pirate ticket" line. I agree with Introvert it's not a pick that should cost him anything. Trump is already a centrist candidate. The social conservatism is not really relevant anymore, gay marriage and abortion and whatever have been pretty well settled. That shouldn't be the focus of this election. For the VP pick to really shake independents, it would have to be like a Cruz or Palin. For me, anyway. This is a political insider who has access to establishment money for the campaign and can work with the legislature. That's what he needs. He needed a moderate political insider, someone who could surpress his more radical remarks and enable him to make a play to get center voters. He gains nothing from getting an anti-abortion/gays/illegals VP.
In other words, a Democrat?
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On July 16 2016 03:54 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2016 03:39 ZeaL. wrote:
Quick reminder that the supposed calculated businessman who wants the nuclear launch codes couldn't even confidently pick a VP with several months to vet.
Also, good luck winning an election with only white males with Pence. I guess Trump can take comfort in that he'll probably beat Mondale's numbers so he won't be the biggest failure of a presidential candidate in US history. Excuse me, if you're worried about the nuclear codes, you should be voting for the person who won't accidentally email them to the Kremlin. Nuclear weapons are controlled at every level by at least two people - at the top it's the President and Secretary of Defense. Between this and global warming, I know we really want to try to draw up a plausible scenario where the candidate we don't like destroys the entire world, but it's not happening.
Yeah, Clinton used her own email server for shady reasons, but say what you will about her, she runs a tight ship. She and her campaign would never fuck up on the level that Trump has over the last 2 days.
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On July 16 2016 04:13 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2016 03:59 Gorsameth wrote:On July 16 2016 03:54 oBlade wrote:On July 16 2016 02:56 Gorsameth wrote:This combined with Trump tweeting his VP after cancelling the announcement today just adds to my comment from yesterday that it felt like he was getting cold feet. And yes, the pivot to the center, which was already dead, has now been truly buried. Maybe, but the campaign gossip reporting has also been of questionable veracity. There really wasn't a "wrong" pick between Gingrich and Pence. Gingrich seemed to possibly inadvertently signal he didn't think he would be the best VP with the "two pirate ticket" line. I agree with Introvert it's not a pick that should cost him anything. Trump is already a centrist candidate. The social conservatism is not really relevant anymore, gay marriage and abortion and whatever have been pretty well settled. That shouldn't be the focus of this election. For the VP pick to really shake independents, it would have to be like a Cruz or Palin. For me, anyway. This is a political insider who has access to establishment money for the campaign and can work with the legislature. That's what he needs. He needed a moderate political insider, someone who could surpress his more radical remarks and enable him to make a play to get center voters. He gains nothing from getting an anti-abortion/gays/illegals VP. In other words, a Democrat?
There was a day when that used to be a moderate, fiscal Republican. But yeah, it’s a Democrat now.
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On July 16 2016 04:13 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2016 03:59 Gorsameth wrote:On July 16 2016 03:54 oBlade wrote:On July 16 2016 02:56 Gorsameth wrote:This combined with Trump tweeting his VP after cancelling the announcement today just adds to my comment from yesterday that it felt like he was getting cold feet. And yes, the pivot to the center, which was already dead, has now been truly buried. Maybe, but the campaign gossip reporting has also been of questionable veracity. There really wasn't a "wrong" pick between Gingrich and Pence. Gingrich seemed to possibly inadvertently signal he didn't think he would be the best VP with the "two pirate ticket" line. I agree with Introvert it's not a pick that should cost him anything. Trump is already a centrist candidate. The social conservatism is not really relevant anymore, gay marriage and abortion and whatever have been pretty well settled. That shouldn't be the focus of this election. For the VP pick to really shake independents, it would have to be like a Cruz or Palin. For me, anyway. This is a political insider who has access to establishment money for the campaign and can work with the legislature. That's what he needs. He needed a moderate political insider, someone who could surpress his more radical remarks and enable him to make a play to get center voters. He gains nothing from getting an anti-abortion/gays/illegals VP. In other words, a Democrat?
As close as he can get more or less yeah.
Hillary's unfavorably numbers show that there is room to get voters outside the traditional Republican audience.
Doubling down gets him nowhere.
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On July 16 2016 04:10 Mohdoo wrote:
For people intending to vote for Trump, are *any* of you happy with this pick?
no, but for completely different reasons than stated here
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On July 16 2016 04:23 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2016 04:10 Mohdoo wrote:
For people intending to vote for Trump, are *any* of you happy with this pick? no, but for completely different reasons than stated here
Feel free to mention you reasons 
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