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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9252 Posts
July 15 2016 14:02 GMT
#85701
Man Arrested After Allegedly Breaking in to Home with Knife, Calling Sikh Man 'Terrorist'

I've seen easily a dozen stories about Sikhs being attacked due to being mistaken for muslims this year. Yet I don't recall seeing news stories about actual muslims being attacked in the US this year. Where does this turban = terrorist thing come from?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 15 2016 14:05 GMT
#85702
On July 15 2016 23:02 Dan HH wrote:
Man Arrested After Allegedly Breaking in to Home with Knife, Calling Sikh Man 'Terrorist'

I've seen easily a dozen stories about Sikhs being attacked due to being mistaken for muslims this year. Yet I don't recall seeing news stories about actual muslims being attacked in the US this year. Where does this turban = terrorist thing come from?

There've been quite a few attacks on muslims too; it's just less news-getting than the bigoted idiots who can't even properly identify the object of their bigotry. I'm not sure why the idiots don't learn to identify; I guess they just figure they look middle-eastern-ish so they go after them.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 15 2016 14:33 GMT
#85703
The long-classified pages detailing alleged ties of the Saudi Arabian government to the 9/11 hijackers will be released by Congress as early as Friday, sources told CNN Thursday.

Known as the "28 pages," the secret document was part of a 2002 congressional investigation of the Sept. 11 attacks and has been classified since the report's completion. It turns out there are actually 29 pages, sources said.

Sources said there are still some procedural steps that need to be taken before the release, which members of both parties in Congress and family members of victims have been seeking for years.

"This is great news," said Jerry Goldman, a lawyer who represents families of victims in a class-action suit, seeking to sue Saudi Arabia. "The families are happy just as the American people should be happy that information that has been kept hidden for well over a decade is finally coming to light."

Former Senator Bob Graham, who chaired the committee that carried out the investigation and has been pushing the White House to release the pages, said Thursday he was "very pleased" by the news.

"It is going to increase the questioning of the Saudis' role supporting the hijackers," Graham told CNN. "I think of this almost as the 28 pages are sort of the cork in the wine bottle. And once it's out, hopefully the rest of the wine itself will start to pour out."

Graham added, "Would the U.S. government have kept information that was just speculation away from American people for 14 years if somebody didn't think it was going to make a difference?"

Rep. Adam Schiff, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, said the report will be posted on line soon.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
July 15 2016 14:55 GMT
#85704
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 15 2016 14:57 GMT
#85705
No surprise.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 15 2016 15:01 GMT
#85706
Yesssss
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
July 15 2016 15:05 GMT
#85707
So who is Mike Pence? Someone want to give an ignorant European a rundown what to get from this nomination?
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-15 15:11:22
July 15 2016 15:07 GMT
#85708
extremely conservative governor of indiana. one of the leaders of the anti LGBT community. signals trump is going right, if nothing else.

lmao trump. first the pick gets leaked, he denies, then he says he'll delay it b/c of nice but announces via twitter
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 15 2016 15:16 GMT
#85709
On July 15 2016 13:21 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2016 12:21 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 15 2016 07:21 LegalLord wrote:
On July 15 2016 07:10 biology]major wrote:
On July 15 2016 06:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 15 2016 06:41 zeo wrote:
Not sure if its been posted yet but....




I like Trump's more -shrug-

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/10157309144940725/?pnref=story


lmao, how is he creating this stuff with his understaffed campaign.

Trump-level business efficiency.


hopefully a joke

in what manner?


It's just a low budget video that only shows creativity by the creator.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18870 Posts
July 15 2016 15:31 GMT
#85710
For some perspective, all indications suggested that Pence was going to lose his gubernatorial reelection in Indiana. In a practical sense, Pence needed this nomination or else he was toast.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-15 15:35:44
July 15 2016 15:34 GMT
#85711
he was polling 50/50, which is not a good sign for an incumbent. the bayh announcement shook indiana up a lot- he has better than 50/50 odds of winning the senate seat, and he would probably drive up turnout. wonder who the republicans will scrounge up to run for governor. i still cant believe bayh has been out politics for a few years and STILL had almost 10m in his piggy bank.

meanwhile, the white house trolls pence:

The White House's top spokesman reacted to the news that Indiana Gov. Mike Pence will be Donald Trump's running mate by applauding Pence's decision to accept more federal money for Medicaid in his state under Obamacare.

"I'm not sure to what extent President Obama has had a chance to interact with Gov. Pence," Earnest told reporters Thursday when asked what Obama thought about Trump's reported pick. "I know Gov. Pence has done some important work to expand Medicaid in his state… but I will leave it to the candidates to decide who would best complement their skills."


Source
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 15 2016 15:49 GMT
#85712
The decision to tap Pence, to me, signals that Trump has given up on taking the center or taking any democrats. To me, it signals that he sees this as a race of turnout. In a way, playing the general election as a midterm election. I think he and whoever else is advising him are not appreciating how much time Democrats have to ice things over with the Bernie supporters and to just generally recover from the Comey stuff. I think Clinton will win, with room to spare, but not as much as I thought before. I think Clinton will manage to reach people in the middle, while still keeping her core thanks to Bernie. I think Bernie will be a key player in preventing Trump's low turnout strategy from working.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
July 15 2016 16:24 GMT
#85713
On July 16 2016 00:49 Mohdoo wrote:
The decision to tap Pence, to me, signals that Trump has given up on taking the center or taking any democrats. To me, it signals that he sees this as a race of turnout. In a way, playing the general election as a midterm election. I think he and whoever else is advising him are not appreciating how much time Democrats have to ice things over with the Bernie supporters and to just generally recover from the Comey stuff. I think Clinton will win, with room to spare, but not as much as I thought before. I think Clinton will manage to reach people in the middle, while still keeping her core thanks to Bernie. I think Bernie will be a key player in preventing Trump's low turnout strategy from working.


i don't think bernie supporters will flock to hrc. they saw his endorsement as a sellout from what I see, i suspect a majority will sit this election out. hrc represents everything bernie stood against so there is a real visceral reaction from his supporters against her.
Question.?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-15 16:31:52
July 15 2016 16:30 GMT
#85714
Bernie was in the unfortunate position of having the young as his biggest base, who will talk a big game but all too often will ultimately just choose not to vote. The decision for many of them to sit this one out was probable regardless of what Bernie did or didn't to with regards to endorsing Hillary.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 15 2016 16:35 GMT
#85715
On July 16 2016 01:24 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2016 00:49 Mohdoo wrote:
The decision to tap Pence, to me, signals that Trump has given up on taking the center or taking any democrats. To me, it signals that he sees this as a race of turnout. In a way, playing the general election as a midterm election. I think he and whoever else is advising him are not appreciating how much time Democrats have to ice things over with the Bernie supporters and to just generally recover from the Comey stuff. I think Clinton will win, with room to spare, but not as much as I thought before. I think Clinton will manage to reach people in the middle, while still keeping her core thanks to Bernie. I think Bernie will be a key player in preventing Trump's low turnout strategy from working.


i don't think bernie supporters will flock to hrc. they saw his endorsement as a sellout from what I see, i suspect a majority will sit this election out. hrc represents everything bernie stood against so there is a real visceral reaction from his supporters against her.

They won't all, but many of them are independents or otherwise that typically don't vote anyway. I think that among the voters, Bernie will be able to get enough. Not a ton, but enough. And let's not forget Obama and many others. We're at the lowest point in Clinton's numbers and Trump is focusing on increasing his turnout rather than eroding her support. I think we'll be good.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 15 2016 16:38 GMT
#85716
http://venturebeat.com/2016/07/15/twitch-plays-politics-game-streaming-service-to-broadcast-gop-and-dem-conventions/

Twitch chat is going to be glorious.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Cowboy24
Profile Joined June 2016
94 Posts
July 15 2016 16:47 GMT
#85717
Clinton now basically even with Donald Trump in favorability polls:


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/clinton_favorableunfavorable-1131.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html

Notice the trend lines. Clinton is on a clear down-trend and has been since she started the campaign. Trump was on a slight upward trend and seems to have basically leveled off for the last 6 months.

If this is a race to the bottom, it looks like Trump is actually winning.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 15 2016 16:48 GMT
#85718
On July 16 2016 01:35 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2016 01:24 biology]major wrote:
On July 16 2016 00:49 Mohdoo wrote:
The decision to tap Pence, to me, signals that Trump has given up on taking the center or taking any democrats. To me, it signals that he sees this as a race of turnout. In a way, playing the general election as a midterm election. I think he and whoever else is advising him are not appreciating how much time Democrats have to ice things over with the Bernie supporters and to just generally recover from the Comey stuff. I think Clinton will win, with room to spare, but not as much as I thought before. I think Clinton will manage to reach people in the middle, while still keeping her core thanks to Bernie. I think Bernie will be a key player in preventing Trump's low turnout strategy from working.


i don't think bernie supporters will flock to hrc. they saw his endorsement as a sellout from what I see, i suspect a majority will sit this election out. hrc represents everything bernie stood against so there is a real visceral reaction from his supporters against her.

They won't all, but many of them are independents or otherwise that typically don't vote anyway. I think that among the voters, Bernie will be able to get enough. Not a ton, but enough. And let's not forget Obama and many others. We're at the lowest point in Clinton's numbers and Trump is focusing on increasing his turnout rather than eroding her support. I think we'll be good.

Clinton is favored but far from guaranteed victory. My gut feeling says it's about 70% chance of a Clinton victory. FiveThirtyEight puts it at a little lower than that, at about 2/3 right now - a drop from the 80% before.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
JumboJohnson
Profile Joined December 2011
537 Posts
July 15 2016 17:20 GMT
#85719
Guess we'll have to wait til the debates and Trump has to speak off the cuff again.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
July 15 2016 17:24 GMT
#85720
On July 16 2016 01:38 Seuss wrote:
http://venturebeat.com/2016/07/15/twitch-plays-politics-game-streaming-service-to-broadcast-gop-and-dem-conventions/

Twitch chat is going to be glorious.

It surely will be a great fun, but I'm just afraid, that if the current trend set by trump and likes continues, soon the twitch chat will be how politcal conversation looks like and the candidates will cater to that.
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