US Politics Mega-thread - Page 4182

On July 08 2016 01:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
Just wow. They harass an insane amount of innocent black people, of course more would not end up dead. If they harassed less innocent black people, the proportion would not be better. So by harassing more innocent black people and not resorting to murdering them you are asserting that balances the ratio.

That's just gross.

On July 08 2016 01:16 LegalLord wrote:
Loaded questions for days in this hearing.

Though my biggest conclusion so far is that he says he didn't recommend an indictment because he doesn't have enough evidence to get a conviction. Not sure I agree, but seems reasonable. Doesn't really exonerate Hillary of wrongdoing though.

On July 08 2016 01:21 zulu_nation8 wrote:


In this post you assume:

1. arrests = harassment
2. black arrests -> "insane amount of innocent people"
3. less arrest/harassment = same proportions, which means the same death rate... as opposed to less? which would support my point. Or more? Which would be a weird assumption.
4. That I'm balancing a certain ratio

without data, and called what I said gross

I still don't see a clear argument, it seems something like "everything you say is false because black people are being harassed."

On July 08 2016 01:26 LegalLord wrote:

Guilty of the legal violation of "gross negligence" I think is a matter that would have to go through court, and it's not really our place to decide as those who are not part of the investigation. Guilty of being fucking stupid and careless with emails, doesn't really go against "innocent until proven guilty" at all because it's not a legal standard.

So no, not at all.

On July 08 2016 01:21 dae wrote:
To all those who support Hilary for President.

How does it feel to be supporting a candidate that is too stupid to recognize confidential information?

On July 08 2016 01:39 zlefin wrote:

the tone of your question indicates you are not interested in having serious discussion or learning anything, but simply wish to disparage the other side. As such I have no interest in talking to you about the matter, I imagine others feel the same.

On July 08 2016 01:37 ticklishmusic wrote:
Race is an issue at all levels of the judicial system. First is that minorities tend to be involved in crime more - not commit alone, but their rather poorer socioeconomic status and the related issues put them in a bad position so they are both adjacent to crime and commit crime at a higher rate (that's what happens when your opportunities are shit). Next, the police are more likely to stop someone who doesn't look white but is "suspicious" for whatever reason. Then, the police are more likely to use force. Beyond that, sentencing tends to be harsher. The amount of "how likely are you to end up on the wrong end of the justice system" multipliers for minorities is just stupid.

On July 08 2016 01:27 GreenHorizons wrote:


I posted a link that showed in NYC 9 out of 10 people stopped and frisked were 100% innocent at the time by the NYPD's own account. I don't think you're paying attention or you're being even more intentionally ignorant than I thought.

On July 08 2016 01:39 zlefin wrote:

the tone of your question indicates you are not interested in having serious discussion or learning anything, but simply wish to disparage the other side. As such I have no interest in talking to you about the matter, I imagine others feel the same.

On July 08 2016 01:41 zulu_nation8 wrote:


So you're arguing that

1. More innocent blacks than innocent whites are confronted by the police (in this case let's just say unarmed, because that would most directly decrease the chances of someone getting killed).
2. Police are less likely to kill an innocent black person compared to other races.
3. Hence the disproportionately less blacks getting killed compared to other races.

Show me some numbers that support this. The thing you linked says 9/10 people of all races were innocent, and that blacks were stopped more frequently than whites, it does not say what percentage of each race was innocent relative to others.

If no numbers then I'll just assume you like to call others ignorant and dense while holding a disproportionate amount of political opinions to your ability to reason.

On July 08 2016 01:40 ticklishmusic wrote:


^ seconded

will this hearing be longer or shorter than the benghazi one?

On July 08 2016 01:48 zulu_nation8 wrote:
sorry, please post it again, as well as how many of them were innocent compared to the white people they stopped.