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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 07 2016 16:50 GMT
#83641
"I am asking you things I saw on social media"

How do people even say this with a straight face.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 07 2016 16:51 GMT
#83642
On July 08 2016 01:50 Mohdoo wrote:
"I am asking you things I saw on social media"

How do people even say this with a straight face.

Did a member of congress really say that specific phrase?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 07 2016 16:52 GMT
#83643
I like the lines of questioning regarding false exculpatory statements. Oof.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 07 2016 16:52 GMT
#83644
On July 08 2016 01:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 01:48 zulu_nation8 wrote:
sorry, please post it again, as well as how many of them were innocent compared to the white people they stopped.


Look it up.


oh also, when did I say black people weren't harassed more often again?

make an argument or don't, or shit up the thread by ignoring numbers and calling other people who disagree with you ignorant.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24341 Posts
July 07 2016 16:52 GMT
#83645
On July 08 2016 01:50 Mohdoo wrote:
"I am asking you things I saw on social media"

How do people even say this with a straight face.


It's the modern version of "My constituents were asking...". That's how.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24341 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 16:54:18
July 07 2016 16:53 GMT
#83646
On July 08 2016 01:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 01:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2016 01:48 zulu_nation8 wrote:
sorry, please post it again, as well as how many of them were innocent compared to the white people they stopped.


Look it up.


oh also, when did I say black people weren't harassed more often again?

make an argument or don't, or shit up the thread by ignoring numbers and calling other people who disagree with you ignorant.


You don't think it's an issue because you haven't done the research. Do some research, don't come to the conversation so ignorant or (if you must) opine from an openly ignorant position. Don't whine when someone calls you out for being ignorant but still be so attached to your opinion.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22567 Posts
July 07 2016 16:54 GMT
#83647
On July 08 2016 01:51 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 01:50 Mohdoo wrote:
"I am asking you things I saw on social media"

How do people even say this with a straight face.

Did a member of congress really say that specific phrase?

What is more amazing. that a member of congress used that phrase? or that you think it was unlikely?


All the faux hearings we have had from this congress. From Benghazi to PP with graphs that have no text on it have shown us that congress is nothing if not incompetent and witch hunting.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 07 2016 16:55 GMT
#83648
On July 08 2016 01:51 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 01:50 Mohdoo wrote:
"I am asking you things I saw on social media"

How do people even say this with a straight face.

Did a member of congress really say that specific phrase?


No, he said that he had posted on social media for people to pose questions for this guy from Kentucky to ask.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 07 2016 16:55 GMT
#83649
On July 08 2016 01:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 01:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On July 08 2016 01:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2016 01:48 zulu_nation8 wrote:
sorry, please post it again, as well as how many of them were innocent compared to the white people they stopped.


Look it up.


oh also, when did I say black people weren't harassed more often again?

make an argument or don't, or shit up the thread by ignoring numbers and calling other people who disagree with you ignorant.


You don't think it's an issue because you haven't done the research. Do some research, don't come to the conversation so ignorant or (if you must) opine from an openly ignorant position. Don't whine when someone calls you out for being ignorant.


Are you confused about whether I'm arguing about police killings or police harassment? Again, it's the former. Your idiocy is beyond belief that I have to repeat this point three times. Without saying anything I can respond to besides some "but black harassment" or "ur ignorant," we can call it a day, was fun.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
July 07 2016 16:56 GMT
#83650
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24341 Posts
July 07 2016 16:57 GMT
#83651
On July 08 2016 01:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 01:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2016 01:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On July 08 2016 01:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2016 01:48 zulu_nation8 wrote:
sorry, please post it again, as well as how many of them were innocent compared to the white people they stopped.


Look it up.


oh also, when did I say black people weren't harassed more often again?

make an argument or don't, or shit up the thread by ignoring numbers and calling other people who disagree with you ignorant.


You don't think it's an issue because you haven't done the research. Do some research, don't come to the conversation so ignorant or (if you must) opine from an openly ignorant position. Don't whine when someone calls you out for being ignorant.


Are you confused about whether I'm arguing about police killings or police harassment? Again, it's the former. Your idiocy is beyond belief that I have to repeat this point three times. Without saying anything I can respond to besides some "but black harassment" or "ur ignorant," we can call it a day, was fun.


You aren't even grasping the basic parts of my argument either, so I bid you good day sir.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 07 2016 16:57 GMT
#83652
On July 08 2016 01:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 01:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On July 08 2016 01:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2016 01:48 zulu_nation8 wrote:
sorry, please post it again, as well as how many of them were innocent compared to the white people they stopped.


Look it up.


oh also, when did I say black people weren't harassed more often again?

make an argument or don't, or shit up the thread by ignoring numbers and calling other people who disagree with you ignorant.


You don't think it's an issue because you haven't done the research. Do some research, don't come to the conversation so ignorant or (if you must) opine from an openly ignorant position. Don't whine when someone calls you out for being ignorant but still be so attached to your opinion.

Agreed. Please do not debate people while you also ask them to educate you on the subject at the same time. Especially when you have access to google.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-11 19:29:02
July 07 2016 16:59 GMT
#83653
I await the reminiscent nerd chills I will get when I hear a Korean broadcaster yell "WEEAAAAVVVVVUUUHHH" while watching Dota
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 17:02:13
July 07 2016 17:01 GMT
#83654
On July 08 2016 01:57 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 01:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2016 01:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On July 08 2016 01:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2016 01:48 zulu_nation8 wrote:
sorry, please post it again, as well as how many of them were innocent compared to the white people they stopped.


Look it up.


oh also, when did I say black people weren't harassed more often again?

make an argument or don't, or shit up the thread by ignoring numbers and calling other people who disagree with you ignorant.


You don't think it's an issue because you haven't done the research. Do some research, don't come to the conversation so ignorant or (if you must) opine from an openly ignorant position. Don't whine when someone calls you out for being ignorant but still be so attached to your opinion.

Agreed. Please do not debate people while you also ask them to educate you on the subject at the same time. Especially when you have access to google.


How do you read that as I'm asking him to educate me as opposed to asking him to show me data that he claims to back up his argument while refusing to cite it? Is this along the lines of calling someone wrong without knowing how to comprehend a basic pie chart?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 07 2016 17:02 GMT
#83655
This committee just said "If you want to hack into an IP address, it will cost you $100 from a hacker"

what.
the.
fuck.

I am utterly baffled. This is such an embarrassment.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
July 07 2016 17:02 GMT
#83656
On July 08 2016 01:56 amazingxkcd wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/WashTimes/status/751092894904246272

A tweet befitting the Washington Times, to be sure.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24341 Posts
July 07 2016 17:03 GMT
#83657
Ok "I'm sure the FBI could do it cheaper" (referencing a gmail) has got to be the best dig of the hearing. That was meta shit.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 07 2016 17:05 GMT
#83658
On July 08 2016 02:02 Mohdoo wrote:
This committee just said "If you want to hack into an IP address, it will cost you $100 from a hacker"

what.
the.
fuck.

I am utterly baffled. This is such an embarrassment.

The internet is a series of tubes that can be hacked for the price of an expensive dinner.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 17:06:44
July 07 2016 17:06 GMT
#83659
was her server hacked

i dont know

what do you mean

we have no evidence that it was hacked

so it could have been hacked?

-__-

i know this isnt a court case, but this is a mockery of justice
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 17:09:19
July 07 2016 17:07 GMT
#83660
On July 08 2016 01:59 BallinWitStalin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 23:42 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On July 07 2016 23:34 BallinWitStalin wrote:
On July 07 2016 23:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Interesting that half of those who were killed by the police this year were white, while a quarter were black.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/

which seems to suggest that blacks are not being disproportionately killed by police


Umm....no.

That's just....not how proportions and math works. You need to rethink your math here.

I think the proportion of african americans in the US is around 12 or 13 percent. If a quarter of police shootings are black folks, then they are far, far over-represented in police deaths than they should be (for technical statistical details they are actually shot at much greater than twice the rate because when you analyze differences in proportions you convert to odds ratios, but this is a bit above most stats level education), if shootings were "randomly distributed" among the population.

This is not a x > y, this is a case of "the proportion of y is much higher than it should be if we were to just randomly sample the population".


We can assume way more blacks are arrested proportional to their demographic, I don't know if it's 2x more but certainly a lot more. The stat would indicate that out of those who have been in encounters with the police, blacks are not disproportionately being killed.


This would be, as you state, an assumption. Even if that assumption were to hold true (it may or may not, data deficient right now in this conversation), arrests wouldn't be independent of the same issue that we are discussing, which is racism in policing leading to increased deaths. Even if arrests occurred at a proportional rate to shootings, that's still not necessarily a rebuttal of your initial point. For the same behavior, if black people were more likely to be arrested and/or interact with policemen relative to white people, then the end result is the same -> increased police surveillance/interaction leads to disproportionate levels of shooting deaths (for the record I am *sure* someone has looked at this in some kind of a study). There's a huge chain of assumptions here that need validation before something can be said concretely one way or the other. However, at the very least the statistics point to a disturbing trend that warrants further investigation, not a "lol black people don't get shot as much as whites" attitude.


The data is not deficient, I was being conservative, blacks are arrested more often than whites, not just more often given their share of the population.

I'm not understanding the second point, the data shows the killings are either proportionate or that blacks are less likely to be killed given how often they are arrested. As in, compared to other races.

I'm not coming in with that attitude, I genuinely wanted to discuss this but it turned into something else.
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