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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 00:36:11
June 03 2016 00:32 GMT
#78541
Super emotional Hispanic man
Dude literally in tears saying drugs and crime coming over the border
http://www.cbsnews.com/live/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab9b

Border control!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/2/smuggling-network-guided-illegal-immigrants-from-m/
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 03 2016 00:34 GMT
#78542
The US government announced plans on Thursday to regulate the controversial $38.5bn payday loan industry.

Regulation of the high-interest, low-dollar loan industry has until now been left to individual states. Under the new rule, lenders would be required to verify income of those taking out loans to ensure that they can afford to repay the money they borrow.

The rules are a major win for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), an agency dedicated to protecting consumers established during Obama’s first term, and come despite fierce lobbying from the industry.

Nearly 12 million Americans use payday loans every year, according to Pew Charitable Trust. Because of the way the loans are set up, people on average pay $520 in fees to borrow $375.

The loans work like a cash advance that’s due every two weeks – around the same time as the borrower’s next payday, hence the name. Most of the borrowers, however, cannot afford to pay the loan in full and so they pay off the interest and essentially take out a new loan for the same amount. Consumers who roll over the loan again and again have been known to pay as much as 300% in interest and fees over the span of a year.

CFPB’s announcement comes just weeks after payday loans joined guns and tobacco on Google’s list of “dangerous products”whose ads are banned across the website.


Source
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28866 Posts
June 03 2016 00:52 GMT
#78543
On June 03 2016 08:39 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 07:52 oBlade wrote:
On June 03 2016 07:43 Nyxisto wrote:
Also Trumps anti-exceptionalism and collective self loathing

Can you elaborate about these characteristics?


The 100-plus times Donald Trump assured us that America is a laughingstock

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/27/the-100-plus-times-donald-trump-has-assured-us-the-united-states-is-a-laughingstock/

EDIT: note that this is over 20 something years. Donald has been consistent in his poo pooing of American success.


hilarious part is that for the past year, Trump has been the main reason.
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
June 03 2016 01:07 GMT
#78544
The campaign says it intends to go after Mr. Trump more forcefully, particularly on national security and his business record, after June 7, when Mrs. Clinton is expected to officially clinch her party’s nomination.

For now, her aides appear to be throwing ideas against a wall to see what sticks, including trying out different monikers after the Democratic National Committee’s “Dangerous Donald” flopped. An internal favorite is “Poor Donald,” with its implication that Mr. Trump, famously defensive about his net worth, is not nearly as wealthy as he lets on.

Source

Poor Donald? What are they thinking lol.
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CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 01:37:33
June 03 2016 01:34 GMT
#78545
On June 03 2016 10:07 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
The campaign says it intends to go after Mr. Trump more forcefully, particularly on national security and his business record, after June 7, when Mrs. Clinton is expected to officially clinch her party’s nomination.

For now, her aides appear to be throwing ideas against a wall to see what sticks, including trying out different monikers after the Democratic National Committee’s “Dangerous Donald” flopped. An internal favorite is “Poor Donald,” with its implication that Mr. Trump, famously defensive about his net worth, is not nearly as wealthy as he lets on.

Source

Poor Donald? What are they thinking lol.


How about no nicknames? I don't need to add any nasty monikers to "Republicans". The word carries the weight of their villainous deeds. Nothing needs to be put on there for me to convince you they are scum and dangerous. Trump needs to put 7th grade putdowns in front of other people's names because he needs some way to slur them. Trump's long legacy of fraud, lies, and despicable sexism and racism are enough that he doesn't need a moniker. Trump is enough. You know what he stands for. Just like the Republicans.

Just check out today's example of Trump's out and out racism against Hispanics. Shit like this doesn't need a nickname.

Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 01:36:18
June 03 2016 01:34 GMT
#78546
On June 03 2016 09:09 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 08:21 Nyxisto wrote:
When Trump is saying that China is more clever than the US or that Russia is winning then he's creating the image of an existential threat to the US, it's not about technocratic issues of the labour market or anything. His platform would also work if the labour participation rate would have gone up by 3.3% . It's about immigrants at the border, terrorists on the inside and so on and everyone being out there to get you. Objectively this is obviously ridiculous, the US aren't at the brink of collapse.

But that's also what resembles the fascist stuff a lot. All of these movements came out of an atmosphere of inferiority and paranoia.

I don't see the self-loathing or anti-exceptionalism in what you describe. Self-pity would be closer if you wanted to put it that way. I don't know what sense you're using exceptionalism, but it seems like if Trump is saying he wants the country to be great, that wouldn't be anti-exceptionalist.


American exceptionalism in the 'God's own nation' sense, which I guess is how it is commonly used. Absolutely no leader wants their country to be shitty, so that kind of 'exceptionalism would apply to literally everybody
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 03 2016 01:40 GMT
#78547
On June 03 2016 10:07 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
The campaign says it intends to go after Mr. Trump more forcefully, particularly on national security and his business record, after June 7, when Mrs. Clinton is expected to officially clinch her party’s nomination.

For now, her aides appear to be throwing ideas against a wall to see what sticks, including trying out different monikers after the Democratic National Committee’s “Dangerous Donald” flopped. An internal favorite is “Poor Donald,” with its implication that Mr. Trump, famously defensive about his net worth, is not nearly as wealthy as he lets on.

Source

Poor Donald? What are they thinking lol.

They aren't going to win the branding game against Trump. And what they have tried so far has been weak sauce.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 03 2016 01:52 GMT
#78548
On June 03 2016 10:34 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 10:07 CorsairHero wrote:
The campaign says it intends to go after Mr. Trump more forcefully, particularly on national security and his business record, after June 7, when Mrs. Clinton is expected to officially clinch her party’s nomination.

For now, her aides appear to be throwing ideas against a wall to see what sticks, including trying out different monikers after the Democratic National Committee’s “Dangerous Donald” flopped. An internal favorite is “Poor Donald,” with its implication that Mr. Trump, famously defensive about his net worth, is not nearly as wealthy as he lets on.

Source

Poor Donald? What are they thinking lol.


How about no nicknames? I don't need to add any nasty monikers to "Republicans". The word carries the weight of their villainous deeds. Nothing needs to be put on there for me to convince you they are scum and dangerous. Trump needs to put 7th grade putdowns in front of other people's names because he needs some way to slur them. Trump's long legacy of fraud, lies, and despicable sexism and racism are enough that he doesn't need a moniker. Trump is enough. You know what he stands for. Just like the Republicans.

Just check out today's example of Trump's out and out racism against Hispanics. Shit like this doesn't need a nickname.

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/status/738522993467510785


isn't his usual story that only illegal immigrants hate him and all the legal ones and people born in the US actually love him because they're the most angry about illegals stealing the jobs?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
June 03 2016 02:03 GMT
#78549
On June 03 2016 10:52 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 10:34 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
On June 03 2016 10:07 CorsairHero wrote:
The campaign says it intends to go after Mr. Trump more forcefully, particularly on national security and his business record, after June 7, when Mrs. Clinton is expected to officially clinch her party’s nomination.

For now, her aides appear to be throwing ideas against a wall to see what sticks, including trying out different monikers after the Democratic National Committee’s “Dangerous Donald” flopped. An internal favorite is “Poor Donald,” with its implication that Mr. Trump, famously defensive about his net worth, is not nearly as wealthy as he lets on.

Source

Poor Donald? What are they thinking lol.


How about no nicknames? I don't need to add any nasty monikers to "Republicans". The word carries the weight of their villainous deeds. Nothing needs to be put on there for me to convince you they are scum and dangerous. Trump needs to put 7th grade putdowns in front of other people's names because he needs some way to slur them. Trump's long legacy of fraud, lies, and despicable sexism and racism are enough that he doesn't need a moniker. Trump is enough. You know what he stands for. Just like the Republicans.

Just check out today's example of Trump's out and out racism against Hispanics. Shit like this doesn't need a nickname.

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/status/738522993467510785


isn't his usual story that only illegal immigrants hate him and all the legal ones and people born in the US actually love him because they're the most angry about illegals stealing the jobs?

He's like Hillary, so you lost me at "usual story".
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 02:06:19
June 03 2016 02:05 GMT
#78550
On June 03 2016 10:52 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 10:34 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
On June 03 2016 10:07 CorsairHero wrote:
The campaign says it intends to go after Mr. Trump more forcefully, particularly on national security and his business record, after June 7, when Mrs. Clinton is expected to officially clinch her party’s nomination.

For now, her aides appear to be throwing ideas against a wall to see what sticks, including trying out different monikers after the Democratic National Committee’s “Dangerous Donald” flopped. An internal favorite is “Poor Donald,” with its implication that Mr. Trump, famously defensive about his net worth, is not nearly as wealthy as he lets on.

Source

Poor Donald? What are they thinking lol.


How about no nicknames? I don't need to add any nasty monikers to "Republicans". The word carries the weight of their villainous deeds. Nothing needs to be put on there for me to convince you they are scum and dangerous. Trump needs to put 7th grade putdowns in front of other people's names because he needs some way to slur them. Trump's long legacy of fraud, lies, and despicable sexism and racism are enough that he doesn't need a moniker. Trump is enough. You know what he stands for. Just like the Republicans.

Just check out today's example of Trump's out and out racism against Hispanics. Shit like this doesn't need a nickname.

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/status/738522993467510785


isn't his usual story that only illegal immigrants hate him and all the legal ones and people born in the US actually love him because they're the most angry about illegals stealing the jobs?


Trump has stopped pretending and now states that all "Mexicans" are biased against him because of his Wall plans. Judge Curiel was a hero prosecutor in the 90s who faced real threats from the Mexican cartels and was born in Indiana. No other way to spin this. Trump is applying racial prejudice against Curiel and states he must be biased against him based on his ethnic origins. Presumably this logic extends to anyone that Trump would put in the category of "Mexican", and any number of Trump's other antagonized groups.
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
June 03 2016 02:06 GMT
#78551
On June 03 2016 10:34 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 10:07 CorsairHero wrote:
The campaign says it intends to go after Mr. Trump more forcefully, particularly on national security and his business record, after June 7, when Mrs. Clinton is expected to officially clinch her party’s nomination.

For now, her aides appear to be throwing ideas against a wall to see what sticks, including trying out different monikers after the Democratic National Committee’s “Dangerous Donald” flopped. An internal favorite is “Poor Donald,” with its implication that Mr. Trump, famously defensive about his net worth, is not nearly as wealthy as he lets on.

Source

Poor Donald? What are they thinking lol.


How about no nicknames? I don't need to add any nasty monikers to "Republicans". The word carries the weight of their villainous deeds. Nothing needs to be put on there for me to convince you they are scum and dangerous. Trump needs to put 7th grade putdowns in front of other people's names because he needs some way to slur them. Trump's long legacy of fraud, lies, and despicable sexism and racism are enough that he doesn't need a moniker. Trump is enough. You know what he stands for. Just like the Republicans.

I suggest you watch Bill Mahers interview with Scott Adams from last week. He explains Trumps use of persuasion and branding while showing examples as to why Clinton stinks at it.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 02:22:31
June 03 2016 02:21 GMT
#78552
On June 03 2016 10:07 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
The campaign says it intends to go after Mr. Trump more forcefully, particularly on national security and his business record, after June 7, when Mrs. Clinton is expected to officially clinch her party’s nomination.

For now, her aides appear to be throwing ideas against a wall to see what sticks, including trying out different monikers after the Democratic National Committee’s “Dangerous Donald” flopped. An internal favorite is “Poor Donald,” with its implication that Mr. Trump, famously defensive about his net worth, is not nearly as wealthy as he lets on.

Source

Poor Donald? What are they thinking lol.


I mean he does have a history of aggressively exaggerating and lying about his net worth (and pretty much everything else about himself, including rally attendance and poll numbers).

That's not a useful thing to point out, though, although it does trigger him almost as hard as Rubio's mentioning his penis size from what I understand.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
June 03 2016 02:30 GMT
#78553
On June 03 2016 07:38 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
I find the fascism/Europe analogies to be a total distraction. That he plays on racial fears is bad on its own without analogies to the past. Moreover, Trump's alleged ideology is such a mess that comparing to actual fascist thinkers is insulting to the men of the past. Trump can't go a week without running right back over what he had previously said. HRC didn't need to make distracting fascism comparisons to rip him apart on foreign policy today.

On his best of days, Trump could be Berlusconi. On his usual days, he is just a lying child getting upset at the very coverage that made him famous.

But that's what fascism is, ultimately. It doesn't truly have an ideology of its own, and fundamentally has no unified philosophical underpinnings behind it. Fascist movements latch themselves onto whatever anger and frustration populist sentiment can rally behind, and are usually highly contradictory.

That being said, I do agree. The comparisons are premature at best, and unnecessary. Nevertheless, there are a number of striking similarities between the Trump movement and Eco's definitions of an "ur-fascist" movement.
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Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
June 03 2016 03:05 GMT
#78554
I heard a debate on NPR about Trump and Fascist movements of the 30's. The most fundamental difference being that one of the commentators pointed out between the two is even if we accept that both Trump and the Fascists scapegoat less "desirable" people and both have nationalistic tendencies; the older fascists wanted to unite people they deemed "desirable" and scapegoat the current establishment, government, and people they deemed less "desirable" with an ultimate belief in creating a great state full of people it deemed desirable. Trump, on the other hand's message is more about promoting individualism and the idea that less "desirable" people, current government, and the establishment are holding back individuals from being able to get rich like him.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24142 Posts
June 03 2016 03:14 GMT
#78555
On June 03 2016 11:06 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 10:34 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
On June 03 2016 10:07 CorsairHero wrote:
The campaign says it intends to go after Mr. Trump more forcefully, particularly on national security and his business record, after June 7, when Mrs. Clinton is expected to officially clinch her party’s nomination.

For now, her aides appear to be throwing ideas against a wall to see what sticks, including trying out different monikers after the Democratic National Committee’s “Dangerous Donald” flopped. An internal favorite is “Poor Donald,” with its implication that Mr. Trump, famously defensive about his net worth, is not nearly as wealthy as he lets on.

Source

Poor Donald? What are they thinking lol.


How about no nicknames? I don't need to add any nasty monikers to "Republicans". The word carries the weight of their villainous deeds. Nothing needs to be put on there for me to convince you they are scum and dangerous. Trump needs to put 7th grade putdowns in front of other people's names because he needs some way to slur them. Trump's long legacy of fraud, lies, and despicable sexism and racism are enough that he doesn't need a moniker. Trump is enough. You know what he stands for. Just like the Republicans.

I suggest you watch Bill Mahers interview with Scott Adams from last week. He explains Trumps use of persuasion and branding while showing examples as to why Clinton stinks at it.


That was a good interview. Scott has had some misses but he knows his stuff when it comes to persuasion and he's dead on about Trump v Hillary on it.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44194 Posts
June 03 2016 03:23 GMT
#78556
I don't know if Hillary is dishonest enough to take on Trump. What she probably needs to do is in a debate just start making up shit that he didn't say that sounds believable like "if your last name is Garcia then I'm sorry but you're not American, you're Mexican". The political divide between the two groups is such that if I heard Hillary quoting Trump saying that I'd probably believe he said it and the Trump supporters would most likely believe it didn't go far enough and anyway, we were all thinking it.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 03 2016 03:28 GMT
#78557
The shitty, over-the-top accusations that come Trump's way (tiny hands, fascist, etc.) serve to undermine his opponents and give him more credibility. You can make him out to be a really shitty person without stretching the truth one iota, and that would be far more effective.

Here's some entertainment though.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 03 2016 03:34 GMT
#78558
Whoever is elected this November we're going to miss this guy:

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5001 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 03:53:31
June 03 2016 03:40 GMT
#78559
Not all of us.

Edit:

All this talk of fascism and it's the Trump protesters who are beating people up and shutting down rallies. Please.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6318 Posts
June 03 2016 03:50 GMT
#78560
I got 9 out of 10 (I missed the VP one). But anyway, the narrative doesn't really work when people call Trump a bully and then on this page say he gets "triggered" because of the penis thing. I hope Hillary continues down the road of trying to attack him rather than figuring out an actual way to beat him, because if they play by his rules, he's going to be better at it.
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