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Sermokala
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xDaunt
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On June 03 2016 05:45 Sermokala wrote: I think that the whole thing was to construct a "coming to Jesus" moment for all the old holdouts who wanted on the trump bandwagon now but had previously been against him. It got a ton of media that it wouldn't have had if he had just rolled over for the nominee. Yeah, I have no doubt that the timeline was hashed out when Ryan and Trump met 2-3 weeks ago to maximize optics. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
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At least 33 cities across 17 US states have used water testing “cheats” that potentially conceal dangerous levels of lead, a Guardian investigation launched in the wake of the toxic water crisis in Flint, Michigan, has found. Of these cities, 21 used the same water testing methods that prompted criminal charges against three government employees in Flint over their role in one of the worst public health disasters in US history. The crisis that gripped Flint is an extreme case where a cost-cutting decision to divert the city’s water supply to a polluted river was compounded by a poor testing regime and delays by environmental officials to respond to the health emergency. The Guardian’s investigation demonstrates that similar testing regimes were in place in cities including Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Detroit and Milwaukee. On Thursday, the Hagens Berman law firm filed a class action lawsuit against the city of Philadelphia, alleging that water department testing protocols “temporarily hide” lead contamination and that the city does not test enough high-risk homes. Source | ||
Lord Tolkien
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Also, http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/ | ||
Plansix
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CannonsNCarriers
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On his best of days, Trump could be Berlusconi. On his usual days, he is just a lying child getting upset at the very coverage that made him famous. | ||
Plansix
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Nyxisto
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CorsairHero
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On June 03 2016 07:29 Plansix wrote: endless fear mongering Time to start imagining President Trump in the Situation Room. Source is hillaryclinton.com | ||
oBlade
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On June 03 2016 07:43 Nyxisto wrote: Also Trumps anti-exceptionalism and collective self loathing Can you elaborate about these characteristics? | ||
Nyxisto
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Sent.
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CorsairHero
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On June 03 2016 07:54 Nyxisto wrote: Well all I hear Trump saying is that America is failing and that dramatic things need to happen so that the country isn't going down. Usually I'd expect an American conservative to say that America simply is great by virtue of being America, which obviously disables politicians from doing very dramatic things and puts trust in the population. What Trumps is doing is enabling strong collective action. The labor participation rate dropped 3.3% in the last 10 years (about 4% since NAFTA as signed). Decent number of people removing themselves from the workplace or looking for work. | ||
Nyxisto
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But that's also what resembles the fascist stuff a lot. All of these movements came out of an atmosphere of inferiority and paranoia. | ||
On_Slaught
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CannonsNCarriers
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On June 03 2016 07:52 oBlade wrote: Can you elaborate about these characteristics? The 100-plus times Donald Trump assured us that America is a laughingstock https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/27/the-100-plus-times-donald-trump-has-assured-us-the-united-states-is-a-laughingstock/ EDIT: note that this is over 20 something years. Donald has been consistent in his poo pooing of American success. | ||
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Plansix
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oBlade
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On June 03 2016 08:21 Nyxisto wrote: When Trump is saying that China is more clever than the US or that Russia is winning then he's creating the image of an existential threat to the US, it's not about technocratic issues of the labour market or anything. His platform would also work if the labour participation rate would have gone up by 3.3% . It's about immigrants at the border, terrorists on the inside and so on and everyone being out there to get you. Objectively this is obviously ridiculous, the US aren't at the brink of collapse. But that's also what resembles the fascist stuff a lot. All of these movements came out of an atmosphere of inferiority and paranoia. I don't see the self-loathing or anti-exceptionalism in what you describe. Self-pity would be closer if you wanted to put it that way. I don't know what sense you're using exceptionalism, but it seems like if Trump is saying he wants the country to be great, that wouldn't be anti-exceptionalist. | ||
Paljas
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On June 03 2016 07:38 CannonsNCarriers wrote: I find the fascism/Europe analogies to be a total distraction. That he plays on racial fears is bad on its own without analogies to the past. Moreover, Trump's alleged ideology is such a mess that comparing to actual fascist thinkers is insulting to the men of the past. Trump can't go a week without running right back over what he had previously said. HRC didn't need to make distracting fascism comparisons to rip him apart on foreign policy today. On his best of days, Trump could be Berlusconi. On his usual days, he is just a lying child getting upset at the very coverage that made him famous. Whether or not Trump himself is a "true" fascist (or just a fascist like opportunist) is not as relevant as the structure and composition of his supporters: white men from the middle or lower class, who fear for their economic status in the future, as well as huge support from chauvinist groups. The ingredients for a proper facist movement are there. | ||
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