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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
June 03 2016 03:55 GMT
#78561
On June 03 2016 12:40 Introvert wrote:
Not all of us.

Edit:

All this talk of fascism and it's the Trump protesters who are beating people up and shutting down rallies. Please.

© Current year.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44193 Posts
June 03 2016 04:00 GMT
#78562
So when Trump says "100 million Americans think you have blood on your hands, how can you expect the loyalty of the American servicemen you betrayed?" does anyone think the high road will work? Cause I feel like people will just hear blood and betrayal and then tune out whatever defense she responds with. If she brings up the fact that she was exonerated of responsibility it'll just be more "so you think the American public can't tell right from wrong? That the people, good citizens, who hold you accountable are idiots? It just shows how corrupt, elitist and of touch you political insiders are!".

In the Republican primaries many tried the high road with Trump and discovered that the voters didn't care about the truth or being right. This is going to turn into a soundbyte war.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 03 2016 04:30 GMT
#78563
I highly doubt that the Democrats are going to beat Trump at his own game. Hillary's attempts to play have been hilariously bad so far.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 03 2016 04:38 GMT
#78564
We are not the target of those remarks. It is the many independent voters that are going to be faced with the binary choice come election day. And the fraud and thin skinned angle might gain traction with some people were already on the fence about Trump.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 03 2016 04:44 GMT
#78565
Trump now saying it is a disgrace to our country that Clinton is even allowed to run? What a sad time. This is just so sad. I'm embarrassed. How in the world did we let it become acceptable to talk like this x_x
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 03 2016 04:46 GMT
#78566
Donald Trump has stepped up his attack on the federal judge presiding over the Trump University fraud case, telling the Wall Street Journal that Gonzalo Curiel’s assignment to the case represents “an absolute conflict” because he is “of Mexican heritage”.

“I’m building a wall,” Trump said, of his proposed 2,000-mile barrier along the US-Mexico border with the stated goal of preventing undocumented immigrants from entering the country. “It’s an inherent conflict of interest.”

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee’s statements follow a speech in San Diego last week in which he lambasted Curiel as “a hater of Donald Trump” and “a total disgrace”.

“They ought to look into Judge Curiel,” Trump declared at the time, “because what Judge Curiel is doing is a total disgrace.” Trump also asserted that the Indiana-born Curiel “happens to be, we believe, Mexican, which is great”.

Curiel was born in Indiana, to parents who came from Mexico.

Soon after Trump’s comments to the Wall Street Journal were published, the candidate himself was implicated in questions of official impartiality on the Trump University case. A report from the Associated Press published on Thursday evening revealed that the presumptive Republican nominee donated tens of thousands of dollars to attorney generals who declined to pursue fraud charges against the now-defunct organization.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 03 2016 04:52 GMT
#78567
Is that judges family from Mexico?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 04:54:51
June 03 2016 04:54 GMT
#78568
I wonder if Trump was beaten up by a Mexican kid when he was in school and hasn't yet worked it out. Is Trump honestly saying here that having a Mexican judge presents a conflict of interest because Trump happens to hate Mexicans?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 03 2016 04:54 GMT
#78569
On June 03 2016 13:44 Mohdoo wrote:
Trump now saying it is a disgrace to our country that Clinton is even allowed to run? What a sad time. This is just so sad. I'm embarrassed. How in the world did we let it become acceptable to talk like this x_x

When the PC nazis started running amok. Trump is the manifestation of the inevitable backlash.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 04:57:28
June 03 2016 04:56 GMT
#78570
Trump Hatin’ “Mexican Judge” Awarded Scholarships To Illegal Immigrants

http://gotnews.com/mexican-judge-gonzalo-curiel/

On June 03 2016 13:44 Mohdoo wrote:
Trump now saying it is a disgrace to our country that Clinton is even allowed to run? What a sad time. This is just so sad. I'm embarrassed. How in the world did we let it become acceptable to talk like this x_x


When did the left allow it's commies and socialists to run wild and attack people in the streets?
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 03 2016 04:59 GMT
#78571
Is that poop on the floor, serial harasser Chuck Johnson? Yep, yep it is. Literal human garbage.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 03 2016 05:01 GMT
#78572
On June 03 2016 13:54 Nyxisto wrote:
I wonder if Trump was beaten up by a Mexican kid when he was in school and hasn't yet worked it out. Is Trump honestly saying here that having a Mexican judge presents a conflict of interest because Trump happens to hate Mexicans?

Whoa there, are you saying he might be racist? We are going to need a years worth of supporting evidence to prove that.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 03 2016 05:25 GMT
#78573
On June 03 2016 13:54 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 13:44 Mohdoo wrote:
Trump now saying it is a disgrace to our country that Clinton is even allowed to run? What a sad time. This is just so sad. I'm embarrassed. How in the world did we let it become acceptable to talk like this x_x

When the PC nazis started running amok. Trump is the manifestation of the inevitable backlash.


I actually agree with this wholeheartedly. Doesn't make him right, though.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
June 03 2016 06:07 GMT
#78574
On June 03 2016 14:25 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 13:54 xDaunt wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:44 Mohdoo wrote:
Trump now saying it is a disgrace to our country that Clinton is even allowed to run? What a sad time. This is just so sad. I'm embarrassed. How in the world did we let it become acceptable to talk like this x_x

When the PC nazis started running amok. Trump is the manifestation of the inevitable backlash.


I actually agree with this wholeheartedly. Doesn't make him right, though.


I think its more that the perception of "PC nazis" then reality but its a fair point. Whitey feels like they are under siege, doesn't matter how true it is or not and Trump's movement is partly a reaction to that.
Never Knows Best.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24142 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 06:25:18
June 03 2016 06:24 GMT
#78575
On June 03 2016 15:07 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 14:25 On_Slaught wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:54 xDaunt wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:44 Mohdoo wrote:
Trump now saying it is a disgrace to our country that Clinton is even allowed to run? What a sad time. This is just so sad. I'm embarrassed. How in the world did we let it become acceptable to talk like this x_x

When the PC nazis started running amok. Trump is the manifestation of the inevitable backlash.


I actually agree with this wholeheartedly. Doesn't make him right, though.


I think its more that the perception of "PC nazis" then reality but its a fair point. Whitey feels like they are under siege, doesn't matter how true it is or not and Trump's movement is partly a reaction to that.


His whole "I'm sick of having to buy politicians to get what I want" is something only he has been able to pull off. Not clear how Hillary's camp would counter that.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
June 03 2016 06:28 GMT
#78576
On June 03 2016 15:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 15:07 Slaughter wrote:
On June 03 2016 14:25 On_Slaught wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:54 xDaunt wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:44 Mohdoo wrote:
Trump now saying it is a disgrace to our country that Clinton is even allowed to run? What a sad time. This is just so sad. I'm embarrassed. How in the world did we let it become acceptable to talk like this x_x

When the PC nazis started running amok. Trump is the manifestation of the inevitable backlash.


I actually agree with this wholeheartedly. Doesn't make him right, though.


I think its more that the perception of "PC nazis" then reality but its a fair point. Whitey feels like they are under siege, doesn't matter how true it is or not and Trump's movement is partly a reaction to that.


His whole "I'm sick of having to buy politicians to get what I want" is something only he has been able to pull off. Not clear how Hillary's camp would counter that.


That is partly what I don't get. People complain about big money interests having too much influence and screwing over the little guy....so people think skipping the middleman (the politician) and just electing one of these rich people will be good?
Never Knows Best.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 06:39:08
June 03 2016 06:33 GMT
#78577
On June 03 2016 15:07 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 14:25 On_Slaught wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:54 xDaunt wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:44 Mohdoo wrote:
Trump now saying it is a disgrace to our country that Clinton is even allowed to run? What a sad time. This is just so sad. I'm embarrassed. How in the world did we let it become acceptable to talk like this x_x

When the PC nazis started running amok. Trump is the manifestation of the inevitable backlash.


I actually agree with this wholeheartedly. Doesn't make him right, though.


I think its more that the perception of "PC nazis" then reality but its a fair point. Whitey feels like they are under siege, doesn't matter how true it is or not and Trump's movement is partly a reaction to that.


The PC movement took itself way too seriously. It started long before us but it's gone way too far. Some possibly enjoyable pieces on the subject for everyone. Even kids in the hall didn't think there'd be 31+ genders like Baskin Robbins flavours, but here we are.
+ Show Spoiler +




Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 06:42:18
June 03 2016 06:40 GMT
#78578
On June 03 2016 15:33 SK.Testie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 15:07 Slaughter wrote:
On June 03 2016 14:25 On_Slaught wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:54 xDaunt wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:44 Mohdoo wrote:
Trump now saying it is a disgrace to our country that Clinton is even allowed to run? What a sad time. This is just so sad. I'm embarrassed. How in the world did we let it become acceptable to talk like this x_x

When the PC nazis started running amok. Trump is the manifestation of the inevitable backlash.


I actually agree with this wholeheartedly. Doesn't make him right, though.


I think its more that the perception of "PC nazis" then reality but its a fair point. Whitey feels like they are under siege, doesn't matter how true it is or not and Trump's movement is partly a reaction to that.


The PC movement took itself way too seriously. It started long before us but it's gone way too far. Some possibly enjoyable pieces on the subject. Even kids in the hall didn't think there'd be 31+ genders like Baskin Robbins flavours, but here we are.
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1tFbZ5kaY8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x64cy3Bcr98


We are in the middle of trying to balance the relative power in our society. It will get messy at times and people will fuck up and go top far. There is some merit to making sure we don't go too far in the opposite direction in the name of being PC. That being said, in the larger picture it hasn't yet but people are reacting as if we are in the liberal version of 1984. People react very viscerally to a few anecdotes and it just creates a mess with two sides who think the other side is causing all the problems in society. Nuance is lost because they are issues that have a large number of complex interactions that are all tied together so its easier for people to grasp onto smaller and simpler views of a particular subject.

Everyone just latches on to whatever example is floating around the internet for "their side" and think "Aha! this example proves that this is a widespread thing!"
Never Knows Best.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 07:10:46
June 03 2016 06:47 GMT
#78579
On June 03 2016 12:50 oBlade wrote:
I got 9 out of 10 (I missed the VP one). But anyway, the narrative doesn't really work when people call Trump a bully and then on this page say he gets "triggered" because of the penis thing. I hope Hillary continues down the road of trying to attack him rather than figuring out an actual way to beat him, because if they play by his rules, he's going to be better at it.


I don't really understand how the narrative that Trump is thin-skinned conflicts with the narrative that he's a bully. In fact, most of the people I've known in real life that I would call bullies are incredibly thin-skinned and flew off the handle when you criticized them-that's a big part of being a bully.

Besides, the small hands situation ended up getting played as "Rubio sinks to Trump's level, Trump kept bringing it up" with a huge emphasis on the former to the point it killed his campaign.

That kinda showed you're far better off outmaneuvering a bully than outbullying him.

On another note, calling the judge a Mexican is an absurdly transparent method to drive the media away from the whole "Trump University defrauded students" story towards the "Trump said another bad thing about Mexicans xD" story that has already been played to the hilt and that any Trump supporter will dismiss out of hand for their own reasons. But of course the media doesn't mind.
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
June 03 2016 07:43 GMT
#78580
I can't be the only person looking at this as lose-lose. This election is going to be Nero vs Caligula, and in the end we all end up losing. The Democrats and Republicans are god awful. How about we just skip to the end and let bygones be bygones and let the "red" states and "blue" states go their separate ways. Why would anyone want to be in a union with people they hate? This country is beyond dysfunctional.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
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