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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 01:22:18
February 21 2016 01:21 GMT
#59481
When Greenville numbers come in the numbers should change dramatically.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
February 21 2016 01:22 GMT
#59482
On February 21 2016 10:08 Deathstar wrote:
Representative democracy is the best system we have. It consistently out-performs totalitarian governments like in China in the long-run. There's also no such thing as the average voter. Especially in a country that is as diverse in ideology. ethnicity, and culture as the US.


that was before reality was determined by what's popular on twitter though



this guy just won the SC primary
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 21 2016 01:23 GMT
#59483
On February 21 2016 10:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 09:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.


Or, you know, the best argument for educating the electorate. I suppose it depends on you perspective on the influence average people should have on a governing system.



I'm guessing you didn't know that's a Winston Churchill quote.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 01:25:45
February 21 2016 01:24 GMT
#59484
is there some quick way to figure out how delegates work without having to read up on it for hours?

I don't really get how Hillary is on 19 and Bernie is on 14 while it's 52.5% vs 47.4%. Is that based on what counties they won and some giving more than others?

Also I take it the 38 delegates for Trump while everyone else has 0 on WashingtonPost are just not updated because South Carolina is only 35% done reporting? Or is that particular state winner takes it all?
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 21 2016 01:25 GMT
#59485
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23430 Posts
February 21 2016 01:28 GMT
#59486
On February 21 2016 10:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 10:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 21 2016 09:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.


Or, you know, the best argument for educating the electorate. I suppose it depends on you perspective on the influence average people should have on a governing system.



I'm guessing you didn't know that's a Winston Churchill quote.


Of course I do lol. Doesn't change my perspective.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 21 2016 01:28 GMT
#59487
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23430 Posts
February 21 2016 01:30 GMT
#59488
On February 21 2016 10:24 Toadesstern wrote:
is there some quick way to figure out how delegates work without having to read up on it for hours?

I don't really get how Hillary is on 19 and Bernie is on 14 while it's 52.5% vs 47.4%. Is that based on what counties they won and some giving more than others?

Also I take it the 38 delegates for Trump while everyone else has 0 on WashingtonPost are just not updated because South Carolina is only 35% done reporting? Or is that particular state winner takes it all?


SC is winner take all except some delegates go to each county winner, Trump happens to be leading in every county but 1 at the moment.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
February 21 2016 01:31 GMT
#59489
On February 21 2016 10:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 10:24 Toadesstern wrote:
is there some quick way to figure out how delegates work without having to read up on it for hours?

I don't really get how Hillary is on 19 and Bernie is on 14 while it's 52.5% vs 47.4%. Is that based on what counties they won and some giving more than others?

Also I take it the 38 delegates for Trump while everyone else has 0 on WashingtonPost are just not updated because South Carolina is only 35% done reporting? Or is that particular state winner takes it all?


SC is winner take all except some delegates go to each county winner, Trump happens to be leading in every county but 1 at the moment.

He's losing by 37 votes in Greenville county as well, actually.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 21 2016 01:36 GMT
#59490
With these results coming in and so far Trump taking 38 of the 50 Delegates I'm sure Reince Priebus is closer to having an aneurysm.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 21 2016 01:37 GMT
#59491
On February 21 2016 10:22 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 10:08 Deathstar wrote:
Representative democracy is the best system we have. It consistently out-performs totalitarian governments like in China in the long-run. There's also no such thing as the average voter. Especially in a country that is as diverse in ideology. ethnicity, and culture as the US.


that was before reality was determined by what's popular on twitter though

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/701084443889381377

this guy just won the SC primary


Newt Gingrich won SC in 2012 and most people don't even know he ran for the presidency. We are still in the baby stage of the election.
rip passion
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 21 2016 01:39 GMT
#59492
On February 21 2016 10:08 Deathstar wrote:
Representative democracy is the best system we have. It consistently out-performs totalitarian governments like in China in the long-run. There's also no such thing as the average voter. Especially in a country that is as diverse in ideology. ethnicity, and culture as the US.

not if your reps go latin american populism while also being corrupt.

good: no rent seeker and policy competent

china: rent seeker and policy competent (so far)

worse than china: corrupt and inept. democracy is perfectly capable of giving you this one
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 21 2016 01:41 GMT
#59493
Sounds like Jeb may be withdrawing right now.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 21 2016 01:41 GMT
#59494
Expect Rubio after SC to go full fledged crackpot in hopes of gaining in the South.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 21 2016 01:41 GMT
#59495
Jeb is out.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 21 2016 01:42 GMT
#59496
On February 21 2016 10:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Jeb is out.

We better flush twice.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
February 21 2016 01:45 GMT
#59497
All those not so subtle shots at trump in this bush concessions speech.

Carson saying he will stay in the race. Can CNN decline to invite Carson to the next debate to save everyones time?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 21 2016 01:45 GMT
#59498
meanwhile Carson still in the race for shitz and giggles (and booksales)
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4850 Posts
February 21 2016 01:46 GMT
#59499
Just imagine if he had left before. Poor Rubio. Oh well, this is good news for the other 60% of the GOP that is anti Trump.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 21 2016 01:46 GMT
#59500
On February 21 2016 10:39 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 10:08 Deathstar wrote:
Representative democracy is the best system we have. It consistently out-performs totalitarian governments like in China in the long-run. There's also no such thing as the average voter. Especially in a country that is as diverse in ideology. ethnicity, and culture as the US.

not if your reps go latin american populism while also being corrupt.

good: no rent seeker and policy competent

china: rent seeker and policy competent (so far)

worse than china: corrupt and inept. democracy is perfectly capable of giving you this one


We'll see how long China lasts. Totalitarian governments in the long-run become swamped with incompetent bureaucrats and corruption. They are unsustainable as the rift between the masses and the central government become greater and greater. USSR stood no chance. China is biding its time but disgruntled citizens will demand reform as they become more politically aware. Eventually they will want a say in the destiny of their country.

"Corruption" in the US is childsplay compared to what the Chinese are able to get away with.
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