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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 21 2016 01:47 GMT
#59501
On February 21 2016 10:46 Introvert wrote:
Just imagine if he had left before. Poor Rubio. Oh well, this is good news for the other 60% of the GOP that is anti Trump.

I'm just glad that Bush is gone. I can live with one of Trump, Cruz, or Rubio being the nominee.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 01:56:54
February 21 2016 01:49 GMT
#59502
On February 21 2016 10:22 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 10:08 Deathstar wrote:
Representative democracy is the best system we have. It consistently out-performs totalitarian governments like in China in the long-run. There's also no such thing as the average voter. Especially in a country that is as diverse in ideology. ethnicity, and culture as the US.


that was before reality was determined by what's popular on twitter though



this guy just won the SC primary

That's a pretty bland tweet. Its subtext is the lengths Obama will bend over backwards for the Muslim community and Muslim countries and his disdain or apathy towards citizens and allies. Both are well-accepted by Republican primary voters of nearly every stripe, save for Bush and Kasich supporters. Even Merkel in your country might raise the same level of pablum on her immigrant issue.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 01:51:32
February 21 2016 01:49 GMT
#59503
Let's calculate the money blown on Jeb Bush. 30+ million for ad campaign in New Hampshire which resulted in lower approval ratings, then another 50+ million for a blitz in Ohio, and NH and then another 20+ million in New Hampshire again, then South Carolina, New Hampshire, Ohio again. Not to mention radio, and TV ads. Safe to say he has probably blown around 135+ million for 6 delegates.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
February 21 2016 01:51 GMT
#59504
Good result by sanders but with 74% of the black vote in NV going to Clinton don't expect him to win in SC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 01:52:54
February 21 2016 01:51 GMT
#59505
On February 21 2016 10:47 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 10:46 Introvert wrote:
Just imagine if he had left before. Poor Rubio. Oh well, this is good news for the other 60% of the GOP that is anti Trump.

I'm just glad that Bush is gone. I can live with one of Trump, Cruz, or Rubio being the nominee.


So can I.

I mean I'm not a Trump fan, but idk. I might change my mind on Trump if this continues.

On February 21 2016 10:45 Toadesstern wrote:
meanwhile Carson still in the race for shitz and giggles (and booksales)


At this point Carson is running a vanity campaign. Or maybe he's just angry at Cruz and so he won't leave, lol.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Hexe
Profile Joined August 2014
United States332 Posts
February 21 2016 01:51 GMT
#59506
I feel bad for Bush a little, he had easily the worst campaign advisers.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 21 2016 01:52 GMT
#59507
On February 21 2016 10:46 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 10:39 oneofthem wrote:
On February 21 2016 10:08 Deathstar wrote:
Representative democracy is the best system we have. It consistently out-performs totalitarian governments like in China in the long-run. There's also no such thing as the average voter. Especially in a country that is as diverse in ideology. ethnicity, and culture as the US.

not if your reps go latin american populism while also being corrupt.

good: no rent seeker and policy competent

china: rent seeker and policy competent (so far)

worse than china: corrupt and inept. democracy is perfectly capable of giving you this one


We'll see how long China lasts. Totalitarian governments in the long-run become swamped with incompetent bureaucrats and corruption. They are unsustainable as the rift between the masses and the central government become greater and greater. USSR stood no chance. China is biding its time but disgruntled citizens will demand reform as they become more politically aware. Eventually they will want a say in the destiny of their country.

"Corruption" in the US is childsplay compared to what the Chinese are able to get away with.

Also, democracy is superior because it is the most adaptive form of government. However, it also requires competence on the part of the elected officials. The US, going back to its days as a colony, has a legacy of skilled governors. Latin American countries do not.
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 21 2016 01:53 GMT
#59508
On February 21 2016 10:49 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Let's calculate the money blown on Jeb Bush. 30+ million for ad campaign in New Hampshire which resulted in lower approval ratings, then another 50+ million for a blitz in Ohio, and NH and then another 20+ million in New Hampshire again, then South Carolina, New Hampshire, Ohio again. Not to mention radio, and TV ads. Safe to say he has probably blown around 135+ million for 6 delegates.


The fact that money can't brute force buy an election should give us all a sense of relief and pride in the American people.
rip passion
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 01:55:47
February 21 2016 01:53 GMT
#59509
On February 21 2016 10:49 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 10:22 Nyxisto wrote:
On February 21 2016 10:08 Deathstar wrote:
Representative democracy is the best system we have. It consistently out-performs totalitarian governments like in China in the long-run. There's also no such thing as the average voter. Especially in a country that is as diverse in ideology. ethnicity, and culture as the US.


that was before reality was determined by what's popular on twitter though

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/701084443889381377

this guy just won the SC primary

That's a pretty bland tweet. Its subtext is the lengths Obama will bend over for the Muslim community and Muslim countries and his disdain or apathy towards citizens and allies. Both are well-accepted by Republican primary voters of nearly every stripe, save for Bush and Kasich supporters. Even Merkel in your country might raise the same level of pablum on her immigrant issue.


Such willful ignirance. The obvious subtext is that Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim, which is something the majority of his supporters no doubt believe.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 02:00:09
February 21 2016 01:55 GMT
#59510
On February 21 2016 10:49 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 10:22 Nyxisto wrote:
On February 21 2016 10:08 Deathstar wrote:
Representative democracy is the best system we have. It consistently out-performs totalitarian governments like in China in the long-run. There's also no such thing as the average voter. Especially in a country that is as diverse in ideology. ethnicity, and culture as the US.


that was before reality was determined by what's popular on twitter though

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/701084443889381377

this guy just won the SC primary

That's a pretty bland tweet. Its subtext is the lengths Obama will bend over for the Muslim community and Muslim countries and his disdain or apathy towards citizens and allies. Both are well-accepted by Republican primary voters of nearly every stripe, save for Bush and Kasich supporters. Even Merkel in your country might raise the same level of pablum on her immigrant issue.


Sure there's 30% of people in whatever country willing to eat this stuff up and I have little idea about American primaries honestly so I don't know how much Trump's success until now actually means but it is utterly ridiculous how his persona continues to survive and is immune to criticism. It's a complete erosion of politics in regards to civility, reason and so on. It's like reality television.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 21 2016 01:55 GMT
#59511
On February 21 2016 10:53 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 10:49 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Let's calculate the money blown on Jeb Bush. 30+ million for ad campaign in New Hampshire which resulted in lower approval ratings, then another 50+ million for a blitz in Ohio, and NH and then another 20+ million in New Hampshire again, then South Carolina, New Hampshire, Ohio again. Not to mention radio, and TV ads. Safe to say he has probably blown around 135+ million for 6 delegates.


The fact that money can't brute force buy an election should give us all a sense of relief and pride in the American people.


Corrrection: Bush spent nearly $81 million on TV Ad buys.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 21 2016 01:56 GMT
#59512
On February 21 2016 10:53 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 10:49 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Let's calculate the money blown on Jeb Bush. 30+ million for ad campaign in New Hampshire which resulted in lower approval ratings, then another 50+ million for a blitz in Ohio, and NH and then another 20+ million in New Hampshire again, then South Carolina, New Hampshire, Ohio again. Not to mention radio, and TV ads. Safe to say he has probably blown around 135+ million for 6 delegates.


The fact that money can't brute force buy an election should give us all a sense of relief and pride in the American people.

Hillary would probably fare just as well as Jeb if the Democratic candidates were stronger. Bernie just isn't exactly the strongest candidate, even if you support his policies you have to admit that in most years no one would take him seriously.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
February 21 2016 01:59 GMT
#59513
If Sanders gets in don't be surprised if there is an "accident".
Kissinger has some powerful friends.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 21 2016 02:00 GMT
#59514
Kind of interesting that the American public or majority at least are rebelling against Neoliberalsim.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
February 21 2016 02:01 GMT
#59515
On February 21 2016 10:53 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 10:49 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Let's calculate the money blown on Jeb Bush. 30+ million for ad campaign in New Hampshire which resulted in lower approval ratings, then another 50+ million for a blitz in Ohio, and NH and then another 20+ million in New Hampshire again, then South Carolina, New Hampshire, Ohio again. Not to mention radio, and TV ads. Safe to say he has probably blown around 135+ million for 6 delegates.


The fact that money can't brute force buy an election should give us all a sense of relief and pride in the American people.


This is kinda the message of this election broadly speaking. The Super-PAC Walker and Bush crowd got shrekt. People like Sanders and Trump with little to no super-PAC support and doing remarkably well.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
February 21 2016 02:01 GMT
#59516
Media going to be pushing Rubio hard now.Same with Clinton.

The establishment must be preserved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 21 2016 02:03 GMT
#59517
What your hearing at the Trump speech is the baby boomers wishing it to be the 50's again but with today's technology.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 02:12:08
February 21 2016 02:09 GMT
#59518
After Trump lost in Iowa I started to lose interest in the Stump for Trump vids but now, after his victory and the humiliation of his rival Bush, I can't for the new video to come out.
rip passion
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42638 Posts
February 21 2016 02:17 GMT
#59519
I read recently that American manufacturing has never been stronger and the problem in terms of employment is that it has been increasingly mechanized which ought to be fantastic news. If we were content with 1950s quality of life then we could just divide that bountiful productivity between the people, most of whom wouldn't have to go to work. The problem is too much success and technology in the face of an economic model that assumes employment is the only way in which a person can contribute for society.

At some point we're going to have to start redistributing wealth from the people who own the machines and paying people to be parents, community organisers and so forth.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
February 21 2016 02:20 GMT
#59520
On February 21 2016 11:17 KwarK wrote:
I read recently that American manufacturing has never been stronger and the problem in terms of employment is that it has been increasingly mechanized which ought to be fantastic news. If we were content with 1950s quality of life then we could just divide that bountiful productivity between the people, most of whom wouldn't have to go to work. The problem is too much success and technology in the face of an economic model that assumes employment is the only way in which a person can contribute for society.

At some point we're going to have to start redistributing wealth from the people who own the machines and paying people to be parents, community organisers and so forth.

I recognise the problem but redistributing wealth is not the answer.Socialism does not work, Venezuela is the latest in a long line of disasters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
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