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On February 21 2016 07:58 JW_DTLA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2016 07:55 Mohdoo wrote:On February 21 2016 07:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 21 2016 07:43 Gorsameth wrote:On February 21 2016 07:38 Deathstar wrote:
He's not even an American. He's just trolling. Bernie supporters have a tendency to jump on everything as being against them. There are legitimate concerns like the post registration and falsely claiming Hillary supports the $15 wage. To make a fuss about wearing red seems trivial It would be if it wasn't adding to a long list of deception and manipulation. It's so blatantly obvious the establishment is doing anything possible to rig/manipulate the elections that even cheating gets a shrug from Hillary supporters. It makes more sense when you consider the fact that these people think Sanders has a 0% chance of beating Rubio. If the DNC cheating Clinton's way to victory is what prevents a Rubio presidency, sign me up. Right? The policies at stake in the next election (supreme court, IraqWar3, Dodd-Frank, ACA, capital gains taxes, voting rights, private and public unions, immigration, abortion) matter way more than the new de jour about what some politician did to win**. **And these stories are weak. Compare the election scandals we keep hearing about to the crap the Bush2 guys did in Florida in 2000.
Yeah..no..
"The other side is so bad its ok if we cheat" is not acceptable.
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As I've said, I don't like the blatant favoritism over debates the DNC is giving to Hillary.
That said, there are very compelling reasons for them to offer her support. She's been a party member for 20+ years and raised tons of money (she's told her supporters to donate over 25M to the DNC to support downticket candidates, Sanders has donated a hundred bucks), supported candidates through endorsements and active campaigning. Over 80% of Congress has endorsed Hillary. This is called fucking loyalty.
Anyways, both sides have done shit. In a perfect would, would we have a national citizens database and some sort of voting based on unique biometric profiles via a uber secure channel available in every one's home? Yes, or something similar. But we don't. Democracy, even representative democracy, is fucking messy.
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On February 21 2016 08:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
As I've said, I don't like the blatant favoritism over debates the DNC is giving to Hillary.
That said, there are very compelling reasons for them to offer her support. She's been a party member for 20+ years and raised tons of money (she's told her supporters to donate over 25M to the DNC to support downticket candidates, Sanders has donated a hundred bucks), supported candidates through endorsements and active campaigning. Over 80% of Congress has endorsed Hillary. This is called fucking loyalty.
Anyways, both sides have done shit. In a perfect would, would we have a national citizens database and some sort of voting based on unique biometric profiles via a uber secure channel available in every one's home? Yes, or something similar. But we don't. Democracy, even representative democracy, is fucking messy.
If we actually wanted more people to vote we would already have a better system, it's such a cluster on purpose.
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On February 21 2016 08:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
As I've said, I don't like the blatant favoritism over debates the DNC is giving to Hillary.
That said, there are very compelling reasons for them to offer her support. She's been a party member for 20+ years and raised tons of money (she's told her supporters to donate over 25M to the DNC to support downticket candidates, Sanders has donated a hundred bucks), supported candidates through endorsements and active campaigning. Over 80% of Congress has endorsed Hillary. This is called fucking loyalty.
Anyways, both sides have done shit. In a perfect would, would we have a national citizens database and some sort of voting based on unique biometrics via a secure channel available in every one's home? Yes, or something similar. But we don't. Democracy, even representative democracy, is fucking messy.
The rest of the world seems to handle it pretty well.
Its not that hard to send a voting permit to everyone (since they have to register where they live to the government) and have that permit combined with an ID allow a ballot vote.
Works for both national and primary elections. Only in America is it a problem.
As for your other point. Yes the DNC favoring Hillary is logical and they can announce their public support for her but that does not condone manipulation.
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On February 21 2016 08:02 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2016 07:58 JW_DTLA wrote:On February 21 2016 07:55 Mohdoo wrote:On February 21 2016 07:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 21 2016 07:43 Gorsameth wrote:On February 21 2016 07:38 Deathstar wrote:
He's not even an American. He's just trolling. Bernie supporters have a tendency to jump on everything as being against them. There are legitimate concerns like the post registration and falsely claiming Hillary supports the $15 wage. To make a fuss about wearing red seems trivial It would be if it wasn't adding to a long list of deception and manipulation. It's so blatantly obvious the establishment is doing anything possible to rig/manipulate the elections that even cheating gets a shrug from Hillary supporters. It makes more sense when you consider the fact that these people think Sanders has a 0% chance of beating Rubio. If the DNC cheating Clinton's way to victory is what prevents a Rubio presidency, sign me up. Right? The policies at stake in the next election (supreme court, IraqWar3, Dodd-Frank, ACA, capital gains taxes, voting rights, private and public unions, immigration, abortion) matter way more than the new de jour about what some politician did to win**. **And these stories are weak. Compare the election scandals we keep hearing about to the crap the Bush2 guys did in Florida in 2000. Yeah..no.. "The other side is so bad its ok if we cheat" is not acceptable.
This is what some* Hillary supporters have come to...
Even the GOP (the voter suppression champions) don't try to pull the nonsense that the Democratic party does, it's pathetic.
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On February 21 2016 08:06 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2016 08:02 Gorsameth wrote:On February 21 2016 07:58 JW_DTLA wrote:On February 21 2016 07:55 Mohdoo wrote:On February 21 2016 07:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 21 2016 07:43 Gorsameth wrote:On February 21 2016 07:38 Deathstar wrote:
He's not even an American. He's just trolling. Bernie supporters have a tendency to jump on everything as being against them. There are legitimate concerns like the post registration and falsely claiming Hillary supports the $15 wage. To make a fuss about wearing red seems trivial It would be if it wasn't adding to a long list of deception and manipulation. It's so blatantly obvious the establishment is doing anything possible to rig/manipulate the elections that even cheating gets a shrug from Hillary supporters. It makes more sense when you consider the fact that these people think Sanders has a 0% chance of beating Rubio. If the DNC cheating Clinton's way to victory is what prevents a Rubio presidency, sign me up. Right? The policies at stake in the next election (supreme court, IraqWar3, Dodd-Frank, ACA, capital gains taxes, voting rights, private and public unions, immigration, abortion) matter way more than the new de jour about what some politician did to win**. **And these stories are weak. Compare the election scandals we keep hearing about to the crap the Bush2 guys did in Florida in 2000. Yeah..no.. "The other side is so bad its ok if we cheat" is not acceptable. This is what Hillary supporters have come to...
that's how you managed to mangle and interpret what i said you mean.
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Yeah, the entire case both for and against team Clinton is that they are unethical cheaters. Either you think that's what the system needs to get shit done, or you're worried that they will irreparably damage the institution of the presidency by doing something obviously wrong of major proportion that gets out somehow.
I'm in the second camp mostly on the theory that you can only scandal-dodge for so long. Even Berlusconi got caught eventually.
But I do get the argument that she's the Nixon/LBJ we need right now, even if I'm worried about the Nixon part of that. Not sure we've ever had a pres like Sanders, though the most obvious parallel of Carter (idealist dreamer honestly and earnestly striving to make the world a more just place) is unfortunately unflattering.
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I highly doubt that any shenanigans that Hillary supporters may have pulled made a significant difference in the outcome.
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Bush and Carson should suspend their campaigns immediately. Kasich has no real shot but he'll stay since he was looking elsewhere coming into SC.
The less people in the race/debates, the worse it is for Trump imo. I'm not convinced he can go far beyond the same 35ish% he keeps getting. Matters little if the other 60 is split 5+ ways.
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On February 21 2016 09:48 On_Slaught wrote:
Bush and Carson should suspend their campaigns immediately. Kasich has no real shot but he'll stay since he was looking elsewhere coming into SC.
The less people in the race/debates, the worse it is for Trump imo. I'm not convinced he can go far beyond the same 35-40% he keeps getting. Matters little if the other 60 is split 5+ ways.
The polls back this up. Trump loses 1v1 to both Cruz and Rubio substantially. Trump also doesn't do well among late deciders. He has his support that basically won't leave him (even if he were to shoot someone! lol) and everyone else is splitting the votes.
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It's absolutely crazy if you follow social media online how it's all just meme spamming of "shillary","bernie bros" and so on. It's all memes in the literal sense of the word, there's no thinking involved it's just advertisement.
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The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
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Representative democracy is the best system we have. It consistently out-performs totalitarian governments like in China in the long-run. There's also no such thing as the average voter. Especially in a country that is as diverse in ideology. ethnicity, and culture as the US.
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On February 21 2016 09:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Or, you know, the best argument for educating the electorate. I suppose it depends on you perspective on the influence average people should have on a governing system.
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Bad night for Cruz, particularly with Trump stealing so many evangelical votes.
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Worse for Bush as he is under 10 percent, he's done.
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there is basically a lot of quasi conspiratorial enemy othering going on with some of the lefty voters. you need to do some declaration of opposition to the banks and corporations to not be seen as the enemy as well. it is getting tribal
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On February 21 2016 10:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Worse for Bush as he is under 10 percent, he's done.
Bush already had a fork in him.
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