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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-30 01:27:10
December 30 2015 01:25 GMT
#54021
On December 30 2015 09:56 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2015 09:08 m4ini wrote:
First time i hear the EU is low regulation. Especially the comparison to the FDA is off, since EU law is a lot stricter than rulings of the FDA. GMO etc, or even ridiculously dumb stuff like a ban on "not correctly shaped bananas and cucumbers". And that's not made up, that was a law from 1995 to 2008.

edit: or when it comes to labels, in fact.

Look at most economic freedom of the world indexes. Scandinavia and Canada best the US by a large margin in regulation categories, and the US maintains overall parity with lower tax burdens.


Freedom®

Manufactured in the United States of America™

All rights reserved*

*We'll sue and/or bomb you if you try some terrorist shit**

**Terrorist shit meaning anything we don't like
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
December 30 2015 01:31 GMT
#54022
The US is exceptional over all nations. God bless us
rip passion
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 30 2015 02:19 GMT
#54023
On December 30 2015 05:26 ticklishmusic wrote:
Stalin has nice hair, Stalin 2016

Trump spending $$$ could get the vote out for him, which is the weakest link in his campaign

if only he was a better businessman on the operations side.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8731 Posts
December 30 2015 09:55 GMT
#54024
On December 30 2015 10:31 Deathstar wrote:
The US is exceptional over all nations. God bless us


exactly. exceptionally good in some things and exceptionally bad in others.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Xendarii
Profile Joined December 2014
327 Posts
December 30 2015 11:16 GMT
#54025
On December 30 2015 10:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2015 09:56 cLutZ wrote:
On December 30 2015 09:08 m4ini wrote:
First time i hear the EU is low regulation. Especially the comparison to the FDA is off, since EU law is a lot stricter than rulings of the FDA. GMO etc, or even ridiculously dumb stuff like a ban on "not correctly shaped bananas and cucumbers". And that's not made up, that was a law from 1995 to 2008.

edit: or when it comes to labels, in fact.

Look at most economic freedom of the world indexes. Scandinavia and Canada best the US by a large margin in regulation categories, and the US maintains overall parity with lower tax burdens.


Freedom®

Manufactured in the United States of America™

All rights reserved*

*We'll sue and/or bomb you if you try some terrorist shit**

**Terrorist shit meaning anything we don't like

This post is funny and sad at the same time because it's so true.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 30 2015 13:45 GMT
#54026
the u.s. is indeed exceptional in the way it behaves given its tech and economic advantages.

switch to some of these other loveable regimes there'll be actual world domination
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Snotling
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany885 Posts
December 30 2015 14:03 GMT
#54027
On December 30 2015 22:45 oneofthem wrote:
the u.s. is indeed exceptional in the way it behaves given its tech and economic advantages.

switch to some of these other loveable regimes there'll be actual world domination


well the us is loosing these advantages fast, and doesnt seem to notice....wonder how that will go......
Xendarii
Profile Joined December 2014
327 Posts
December 30 2015 14:54 GMT
#54028
On December 30 2015 22:45 oneofthem wrote:
the u.s. is indeed exceptional in the way it behaves given its tech and economic advantages.

switch to some of these other loveable regimes there'll be actual world domination

Are you serious? The US are doing their best to make use of their advantages. Ask all those countries that got screwed over the last decades. And with screwed I mean heavily damaged, including millions of innocent people killed and stuff like that. I don't know any other regime that would do worse things.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-30 15:28:27
December 30 2015 15:14 GMT
#54029
On December 30 2015 22:45 oneofthem wrote:
the u.s. is indeed exceptional in the way it behaves given its tech and economic advantages.

switch to some of these other loveable regimes there'll be actual world domination


No other country comes even close to the damage the US did globally since WW2 (or started as many wars in the last 200 years), so in that regard, yeah. Sure. I'll let that idiotic exceptionalism slide - although, it's not something one should be proud about.

On track to MA1950A.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
December 30 2015 17:07 GMT
#54030
On December 31 2015 00:14 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2015 22:45 oneofthem wrote:
the u.s. is indeed exceptional in the way it behaves given its tech and economic advantages.

switch to some of these other loveable regimes there'll be actual world domination


No other country comes even close to the damage the US did globally since WW2 (or started as many wars in the last 200 years), so in that regard, yeah. Sure. I'll let that idiotic exceptionalism slide - although, it's not something one should be proud about.



Damage, or achieving greatness? There have been winners and losers all throughout history. Africa has been a loser basically forever. Just because we are a more civilized society at this point doesn't mean things have changed.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 30 2015 17:11 GMT
#54031
On December 31 2015 02:07 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2015 00:14 m4ini wrote:
On December 30 2015 22:45 oneofthem wrote:
the u.s. is indeed exceptional in the way it behaves given its tech and economic advantages.

switch to some of these other loveable regimes there'll be actual world domination


No other country comes even close to the damage the US did globally since WW2 (or started as many wars in the last 200 years), so in that regard, yeah. Sure. I'll let that idiotic exceptionalism slide - although, it's not something one should be proud about.



Damage, or achieving greatness? There have been winners and losers all throughout history. Africa has been a loser basically forever. Just because we are a more civilized society at this point doesn't mean things have changed.

Most of our exceptionalism is self congratulation and holding up old achievements as evidence of current greatness.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-30 17:15:34
December 30 2015 17:14 GMT
#54032
On December 31 2015 02:07 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2015 00:14 m4ini wrote:
On December 30 2015 22:45 oneofthem wrote:
the u.s. is indeed exceptional in the way it behaves given its tech and economic advantages.

switch to some of these other loveable regimes there'll be actual world domination


No other country comes even close to the damage the US did globally since WW2 (or started as many wars in the last 200 years), so in that regard, yeah. Sure. I'll let that idiotic exceptionalism slide - although, it's not something one should be proud about.



Damage, or achieving greatness? There have been winners and losers all throughout history. Africa has been a loser basically forever. Just because we are a more civilized society at this point doesn't mean things have changed.


Well, if we're just looking post-WWII, I'm not sure if any of the wars the U.S. has participated in really helped us "achieve greatness" and most of them had two losers, not a winner and a loser. Unless you count the shadow/Cold War and the numerous CIA activities that destabilized areas, but I suppose one should count those.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-30 17:19:58
December 30 2015 17:19 GMT
#54033
On December 31 2015 02:14 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2015 02:07 Mohdoo wrote:
On December 31 2015 00:14 m4ini wrote:
On December 30 2015 22:45 oneofthem wrote:
the u.s. is indeed exceptional in the way it behaves given its tech and economic advantages.

switch to some of these other loveable regimes there'll be actual world domination


No other country comes even close to the damage the US did globally since WW2 (or started as many wars in the last 200 years), so in that regard, yeah. Sure. I'll let that idiotic exceptionalism slide - although, it's not something one should be proud about.



Damage, or achieving greatness? There have been winners and losers all throughout history. Africa has been a loser basically forever. Just because we are a more civilized society at this point doesn't mean things have changed.


Well, if we're just looking post-WWII, I'm not sure if any of the wars the U.S. has participated in really helped us "achieve greatness" and most of them had two losers, not a winner and a loser. Unless you count the shadow/Cold War and the numerous CIA activities that destabilized areas, but I suppose one should count those.


Of course you count those. By destabilizing all of those regions, we were able to keep ourselves as top dog. USSR went to crap, still a shadow of its former self. Middle Eastern governments basically a mess at this point except for Saudi Arabia, Iran and Israel and we've got 2 of those under our control. South America just kinda does its own thing. But in terms of world influence and the capability for us to be fucked with, just look at the last 60 years. We are a complete wrecking ball and no one comes close. When it comes down to it, we achieved a great deal through to keep ourselves on top. It's no different than what many countries have tried and failed at in the past.
Xendarii
Profile Joined December 2014
327 Posts
December 30 2015 17:51 GMT
#54034
I don't care if I get warned or banned for this post, but Mohdoo, if you're serious and not joking (sorry if that's the case) you're the exact reason why I hate the United States. A big, self-righteous asshole who doesn't care about millions of people murdered and even more lifes ruined by your disgusting country.

User was temp banned for this post.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 30 2015 18:27 GMT
#54035
On December 30 2015 10:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2015 09:56 cLutZ wrote:
On December 30 2015 09:08 m4ini wrote:
First time i hear the EU is low regulation. Especially the comparison to the FDA is off, since EU law is a lot stricter than rulings of the FDA. GMO etc, or even ridiculously dumb stuff like a ban on "not correctly shaped bananas and cucumbers". And that's not made up, that was a law from 1995 to 2008.

edit: or when it comes to labels, in fact.

Look at most economic freedom of the world indexes. Scandinavia and Canada best the US by a large margin in regulation categories, and the US maintains overall parity with lower tax burdens.


Freedom®

Manufactured in the United States of America™

All rights reserved*

*We'll sue and/or bomb you if you try some terrorist shit**

**Terrorist shit meaning anything we don't like


Cite a statistic that has America on par with several other advanced countries, and behind Canada.

Get criticized for blind patriotism.

What?
Freeeeeeedom
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 30 2015 18:27 GMT
#54036
On December 31 2015 02:51 Xendarii wrote:
I don't care if I get warned or banned for this post, but Mohdoo, if you're serious and not joking (sorry if that's the case) you're the exact reason why I hate the United States. A big, self-righteous asshole who doesn't care about millions of people murdered and even more lifes ruined by your disgusting country.

Don't get worked up unnecessarily over a grossly over-simplified and intellectually lazy narrative.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
December 30 2015 18:43 GMT
#54037
On December 30 2015 09:56 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2015 09:08 m4ini wrote:
First time i hear the EU is low regulation. Especially the comparison to the FDA is off, since EU law is a lot stricter than rulings of the FDA. GMO etc, or even ridiculously dumb stuff like a ban on "not correctly shaped bananas and cucumbers". And that's not made up, that was a law from 1995 to 2008.

edit: or when it comes to labels, in fact.

Look at most economic freedom of the world indexes. Scandinavia and Canada best the US by a large margin in regulation categories, and the US maintains overall parity with lower tax burdens.


Economic freedom is a nice ideological concept, but what has it turned into? The U.S. is behind a lot of "socialist" countries when it comes to things like quality of life, health outcomes, levels of political corruption, safety, etc.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
December 30 2015 18:59 GMT
#54038
On December 31 2015 03:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2015 09:56 cLutZ wrote:
On December 30 2015 09:08 m4ini wrote:
First time i hear the EU is low regulation. Especially the comparison to the FDA is off, since EU law is a lot stricter than rulings of the FDA. GMO etc, or even ridiculously dumb stuff like a ban on "not correctly shaped bananas and cucumbers". And that's not made up, that was a law from 1995 to 2008.

edit: or when it comes to labels, in fact.

Look at most economic freedom of the world indexes. Scandinavia and Canada best the US by a large margin in regulation categories, and the US maintains overall parity with lower tax burdens.


Economic freedom is a nice ideological concept, but what has it turned into? The U.S. is behind a lot of "socialist" countries when it comes to things like quality of life, health outcomes, levels of political corruption, safety, etc.


Because in the US everyone thinks they can do things themselves better if the government backed off and they did it themselves. It's the very common delusion of people overestimating themselves that is reinforced by the large amounts of propaganda that is our pop culture concerning individualism.
Never Knows Best.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
December 30 2015 19:13 GMT
#54039
On December 31 2015 03:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2015 09:56 cLutZ wrote:
On December 30 2015 09:08 m4ini wrote:
First time i hear the EU is low regulation. Especially the comparison to the FDA is off, since EU law is a lot stricter than rulings of the FDA. GMO etc, or even ridiculously dumb stuff like a ban on "not correctly shaped bananas and cucumbers". And that's not made up, that was a law from 1995 to 2008.

edit: or when it comes to labels, in fact.

Look at most economic freedom of the world indexes. Scandinavia and Canada best the US by a large margin in regulation categories, and the US maintains overall parity with lower tax burdens.


Economic freedom is a nice ideological concept, but what has it turned into? The U.S. is behind a lot of "socialist" countries when it comes to things like quality of life, health outcomes, levels of political corruption, safety, etc.

And yet people continue to give the US tons and tons of money and trade. The US continues to put out exceptional products and services that the world consumes more than any other country or region.

Yea, it's true when you begin measuring specific aspects of life and social performance, the US no longer comes out on top. However, at the end of the day, the US is still top dog economically and militarily, by a solid margin. Saying those other countries beat us in X, Y, and/or Z is the equivalent to saying that your understanding of SC2 should put you in GM league, but because of your APM, you're stuck in Plat. Results matter, and the US has 'em.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
December 30 2015 20:01 GMT
#54040
That fact that people can't even admit that the US is the greatest country thus far in history shows that we can't even agree on fairly obvious truths.

But sure, some country has more gdp per capita than us therefore they're in the same league as us lmao.
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