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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 29 2015 14:20 GMT
#54001
Barack Obama will defend the Paris climate change agreement and forge ahead on his environmental agenda until his final days in the White House, according to analysts. And there is very little Obama’s opponents in Congress can do to stop him – unless they win the elections and install a Republican in the White House in 2017.

Republicans’ initial attempts to derail the Paris agreement fell flat, with Congress failing to deliver on threats to cut off climate aid to developing countries or block the deal.

But Obama still has a fight on his hands – from lawsuits and new resolutions intended to undermine the Paris agreement – during an election year which could give an unusual degree of attention to climate change.

After an epic year in 2015, with the Paris climate agreement in December and the final release of rules cutting carbon emissions from power plants in August, Obama is expected to keep pushing his climate agenda in 2016, racing to roll out new regulations on the oil and gas industry before leaving office.

“My sense is that when it comes to the climate issue, broadly, the president will look for every opportunity to advance his agenda,” said David Sandalow, a fellow at the Center on Global Energy Policy at Columbia University, and a former Obama Administration official. “He has been relentless on this issue and with results.”

Before the Paris summit, Republicans in Congress vowed repeatedly to overturn Obama’s plan to cut carbon emissions from power plants, moving two resolutions to strike down the rules. As 150 leaders converged on Paris for the start of the global warming negotiations, congressional Republicans threatened repeatedly to undo the agreement in Congress, and to block climate aid Obama had pledged to developing countries.

The US earlier this year committed $3bn to help developing countries cut carbon emissions and move to cleaner fuels.


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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 29 2015 20:00 GMT
#54002
Trump announced he's gonna start spending money in his campaign, like $2M/week on ads

CAN'T STUMP THE TRUMP, NOW HE'S GETTING READY TO PUMP
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 29 2015 20:10 GMT
#54003
I don't see much benefit for Trump to advertise. He already has saturation, and his rhetorical style isn't particularly suited for 30 second slots. "We have leaders who are, frankly, stupid." Doesn't work as well if you're not gesticulating in the direction of Jeb or Hillary.
Freeeeeeedom
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
December 29 2015 20:24 GMT
#54004
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-29 20:26:58
December 29 2015 20:26 GMT
#54005
Stalin has nice hair, Stalin 2016

Trump spending $$$ could get the vote out for him, which is the weakest link in his campaign
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 29 2015 20:32 GMT
#54006
On December 30 2015 05:26 ticklishmusic wrote:
Stalin has nice hair, Stalin 2016


That is a top notch mustache.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24361 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-29 20:48:53
December 29 2015 20:48 GMT
#54007
On December 30 2015 05:24 Paljas wrote:
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That is some top notch hair, low tier propaganda though. Sad that some people will buy into that stupidity unfortunately.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-29 21:03:18
December 29 2015 21:02 GMT
#54008
Isn't it possible to have socialist policies that guarantee certain core things for its citizens but still be capitalist? I don't get why people go hardcore on one ideology or another. I think if you do some of the things that Sanders proposes to make the bottom level of the population have a better quality of life you could still have the capitalist system where people could get and maintain being super rich. To suggest that implementing some of these programs to aid the lower classes will somehow murder all wealth creation seems outlandish (and in reality affects a tiny minority of the population but hey they have all the money and therefore like 90% of the say).

People taking Sander's ideas to their ideological extreme is so stupid. You wouldn't find many people agreeing with taking capitalism to its logical extremes either but no one is throwing that out there.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22609 Posts
December 29 2015 21:24 GMT
#54009
On December 30 2015 06:02 Slaughter wrote:
Isn't it possible to have socialist policies that guarantee certain core things for its citizens but still be capitalist? I don't get why people go hardcore on one ideology or another. I think if you do some of the things that Sanders proposes to make the bottom level of the population have a better quality of life you could still have the capitalist system where people could get and maintain being super rich. To suggest that implementing some of these programs to aid the lower classes will somehow murder all wealth creation seems outlandish (and in reality affects a tiny minority of the population but hey they have all the money and therefore like 90% of the say).

People taking Sander's ideas to their ideological extreme is so stupid. You wouldn't find many people agreeing with taking capitalism to its logical extremes either but no one is throwing that out there.

That's kinda how Europe works yeah. A capitalist society with a socialist safety net to catch those who fall to far.

A large part of the US still hasn't gotten over the cold war.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12002 Posts
December 29 2015 21:27 GMT
#54010
It is possibly in every other part of the World. Americans are weird and don't believe europe exists. Sanders would be a pretty average and uninteresting politician in Germany, most of his ideas are stuff that is already in our current laws. (with his current positions, obviously i have no idea what positions he would have in here where most of the stuff he talks about in the US is a non-issue)
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 29 2015 21:34 GMT
#54011
America's opposition to socialist policies is our "We've always been at war with Eastasia". It is ideological to its core.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 29 2015 22:13 GMT
#54012
The State of Texas continued its scorched-earth strategy in dealing with Planned Parenthood this week by stopping more than half a million dollars in federal funding the organization uses for HIV prevention and screening across the Greater Houston area.

That money, some $600,000 every year, comes from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention but is administered by state health officials. And for nearly three decades, that money has gone to Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast to fund HIV testing and counseling, condom distribution and referral services to connect anyone who has the virus with specialized care.

That will end on December 31, when the organization's current contract is set to expire, according to a tersely worded letter Planned Parenthood received late Monday from the Texas Department of State Health Services. “There will be no further renewals of this contract,” the letter states, without further explanation.


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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
December 29 2015 22:33 GMT
#54013
On December 30 2015 06:24 Gorsameth wrote:
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On December 30 2015 06:02 Slaughter wrote:
Isn't it possible to have socialist policies that guarantee certain core things for its citizens but still be capitalist? I don't get why people go hardcore on one ideology or another. I think if you do some of the things that Sanders proposes to make the bottom level of the population have a better quality of life you could still have the capitalist system where people could get and maintain being super rich. To suggest that implementing some of these programs to aid the lower classes will somehow murder all wealth creation seems outlandish (and in reality affects a tiny minority of the population but hey they have all the money and therefore like 90% of the say).

People taking Sander's ideas to their ideological extreme is so stupid. You wouldn't find many people agreeing with taking capitalism to its logical extremes either but no one is throwing that out there.

That's kinda how Europe works yeah. A capitalist society with a socialist safety net to catch those who fall to far.

A large part of the US still hasn't gotten over the cold war.

No, this is not how Europe works. Europe works like every capitalist society on the planet, that is by the exploitation and impoverishment of millions of people. Capitalist societies obviously can try to gurantee certain core things for it citizens, but that doesnt change the exploitation the whole system is build on. Aiming for some ominous middle ground is bound to fail.
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CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-29 22:43:36
December 29 2015 22:43 GMT
#54014
You guys are taking this socialist/capitalist dichotomy too seriously. The real choice is between mixed-market capitalism (the West) and state capitalism (China). Mixed-market capitalism has private property and a strong legal system, along with a tax supported public sector (USA, England, Germany). State capitalism has state ownership of mega corporations to fund the state with limited directed taxation (Russia, Saudi Arabia, China). Within mixed-market capitalism, there is a continuum of higher tax, higher service states (Germany, Norway) to lower tax, lower service states (USA). "Socialism" doesn't exist as a functioning entity and arguably never did outside of the USSR.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 29 2015 23:14 GMT
#54015
Nobody will see jail time over this.

LANSING — Gov. Rick Snyder apologized to the City of Flint Tuesday for the Flint drinking water crisis that has left children poisoned by lead and announced he has accepted the resignation of Michigan Department of Environmental Quality Director Dan Wyant.

Snyder said in a news release there will be other personnel changes at DEQ and the moves he announced are among "initial steps" he is taking to assure the safety of Flint residents, with more action to come.

“I want the Flint community to know how very sorry I am that this has happened," Snyder said. "And I want all Michigan citizens to know that we will learn from this experience, because Flint is not the only city that has an aging infrastructure."

The governor, who had previously stood by his DEQ director amid the controversy, said,

"Dan Wyant has offered his resignation, and I’ve determined that it’s appropriate to accept it."

Before joining the Snyder administration as DEQ director, Wyant was president and chief operating officer of the Edward Lowe Foundation, which promotes entrepreneurship and helps business owners grow their companies. Before that, he served as director of the Michigan Department of Agriculture under both Gov. John Engler and Gov. Jennifer Granholm.

Snyder acted after receiving a strongly worded letter Tuesday morning, highly critical of the DEQ, from a task force he appointed Oct. 21 to investigate the tragedy.

The governor said he acted based on interim findings of the Flint Water Advisory Task Force, which is continuing its work.


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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 29 2015 23:32 GMT
#54016
On December 30 2015 07:43 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
You guys are taking this socialist/capitalist dichotomy too seriously. The real choice is between mixed-market capitalism (the West) and state capitalism (China). Mixed-market capitalism has private property and a strong legal system, along with a tax supported public sector (USA, England, Germany). State capitalism has state ownership of mega corporations to fund the state with limited directed taxation (Russia, Saudi Arabia, China). Within mixed-market capitalism, there is a continuum of higher tax, higher service states (Germany, Norway) to lower tax, lower service states (USA). "Socialism" doesn't exist as a functioning entity and arguably never did outside of the USSR.


I've also argued that what you call "high service mixed-market capitalism" is a politically dominant strategy to "Socialism" when faced with political opposition. That is because in most markets, many socialist endeavors fail very badly i.e. the Trabant, the VA, and this results in the government itself getting blamed, which leads to your political ouster. Even the "state capitalist" system of China is feeling this pressure as that system is only viable when paired with constant growth (mostly due to finally utilizing technology that has existed elsewhere for decades).

This is why the high service model is politically superior to socialism, because you get similar levels of control over the economy (through selective subsidization and taxation), but the "capitalists" get blamed for failures. However, there are limits to this as high-service (aka high tax)+ high-regulation is unsustainable, which is why the northern EU model is high service + very low regulation (for example, compare the FDA to EU analogs).
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-29 23:54:38
December 29 2015 23:52 GMT
#54017
isn't the whole point of people from the EU crying (for years) about USxEU trade deal about how that would mean the EU will have to lower their regulations that are supposed to protect consumers? In particular when it comes to food?
Oh and those courts of arbitration (no idea if that's the term, had to look that up) people are scared of. But that again is in terms of regulations for the most part.
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-30 00:10:41
December 30 2015 00:08 GMT
#54018
First time i hear the EU is low regulation. Especially the comparison to the FDA is off, since EU law is a lot stricter than rulings of the FDA. GMO etc, or even ridiculously dumb stuff like a ban on "not correctly shaped bananas and cucumbers". And that's not made up, that was a law from 1995 to 2008.

edit: or when it comes to labels, in fact.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-30 00:48:29
December 30 2015 00:47 GMT
#54019
On December 30 2015 05:26 ticklishmusic wrote:
Stalin has nice hair, Stalin 2016

Trump spending $$$ could get the vote out for him, which is the weakest link in his campaign


From what I understand advertising doesn't really get out the vote. Ground game and advertising to likely voters does, which is why historically advertising has not really been a good return on investment but rather a really good way to dump your investment (or the investment of those you "aren't affiliated with") after you've saturated your campaign volunteers, but that requires actual knowledge of politics so it's kind of out of the question for Trump.

It seems like Trump is getting tired of the news not being about him again though and doesn't want Cruz to maintain a lead in Iowa so he'll probably do something "crazy" soon.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 30 2015 00:56 GMT
#54020
On December 30 2015 09:08 m4ini wrote:
First time i hear the EU is low regulation. Especially the comparison to the FDA is off, since EU law is a lot stricter than rulings of the FDA. GMO etc, or even ridiculously dumb stuff like a ban on "not correctly shaped bananas and cucumbers". And that's not made up, that was a law from 1995 to 2008.

edit: or when it comes to labels, in fact.

Look at most economic freedom of the world indexes. Scandinavia and Canada best the US by a large margin in regulation categories, and the US maintains overall parity with lower tax burdens.
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