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On April 13 2015 09:05 Gorsameth wrote: Even with his 'bad' ACA plans which are not a thing they are still better then the old situation where pre-existing conditions was a reason to deny you and insurance companies could deny you to the insurance you paid for because you got more sick then they were willing to cover.
There definitely are garbage plans. People still pay huge co-pays. People still have huge deductibles. Insurance companies still can deny you treatment because they don't want to pay.
My dad's got cancer. He had some outpatient endoscopy done shortly after he was diagnosed. When he came out of anesthesia, he couldn't urinate, some kind of muscle spasm or something that's fairly common when older men are put under anesthesia. They still shipped him home, knowing full well how stupid it was, because his insurance refused to cover a night of observation. So he ended up in the emergency room around 6 hours after he got home because he still couldn't piss. He ended up needing a catheter and has to take some kind of bladder medicine.
So don't tell me insurance companies can no longer refuse to pay, because that's a bold-faced lie.
I think what's he's talking about and what you're talking abotu are different. One is about denying access to a policy at all and/or cancelling it. The other is not about the issue of an insurance policy in general, but about how it handled a specific coverage case.
These are his exact words: "...insurance companies could deny you to the insurance you paid for because you got more sick then they were willing to cover."
The fact that he uses "could" instead of "can" implies that he believes that that's no longer the case. Clearly though, insurance companies still can deny you treatment because they didn't want to cover it. That's exactly what happened, even though Gorsameth said it no longer could.
And sure, this is just one case. But it still happened. Gorsameth did not say it would happen less, he said it wouldn't happen, full stop.
The larger point is "healthcare still sucks" is not a tenable position. It's long passed time for Republicans to shit or get off the pot on healthcare.
That's fine. I'd be cool with Single Payer, assuming it's managed better than the VA.
but Gorsameth doesn't seem to think healthcare still sucks.
"Even with his 'bad' ACA plans which are not a thing"
I don't know how a plan that denies routine treatment of a pretty common problem is not bad.
I don't really like talking around Gorsameth without him responding. I'd rather not discuss Gorsameth's position any more without hearing from him first. Don't wanna put words in his mouth any more than I might already have.
This may have gotten lost in all that, but his original position was, single payer would be ok if well administered, but all y'all defending Obamacare are insane.
A disgraced ex-police officer testifying against his drug squad colleagues acknowledged Tuesday that he stole drug money, planted evidence and lied on police paperwork too many times to count.
Jeffrey Walker told jurors that the Philadelphia Police Department drug squad targeted white "college-boy ... khaki-pants types" who were "easy to intimidate."
That matches the description of some of the drug dealers who have testified at the six-week police corruption trial that the squad stole as much as $110,000 at a time during violent, no-warrant raids.
Lead defendant Thomas Liciardello always got a cut of the stolen money, while the others split "jobs" that they worked, Walker said. The city's police brass often celebrated the squad's work with splashy news conferences to announce large seizures.
"They liked that, as far as the bosses and supervisors were concerned. It made them look good. It was nothing but a dog and pony show," Walker testified.
More than 160 drug convictions have been overturned since Walker pleaded guilty and the others were named in a 26-count indictment. Scores of civil-rights lawsuits are pending over the arrests. Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey has voiced his disgust with the squad's alleged crimes while continuing his effort to clean out and reform the 7,000-member department.
On April 15 2015 23:31 oneofthem wrote: the VA is a regionally administered system. it's certainly possible that some parts of it is fubar but there's also well run systems.
large organizations would have more opportunity to fail especially from the top though.
I recall just recently they had to reorganize the VA, and that a bunch of high-ranking officials were removed from their positions. Mostly because of denying treatment or making vets wait, in some cases for years. I got the sense that they were national problems. I mean Obama actually talked about it himself. I didn't follow it too closely though so I guess I might be wrong.
PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A disgraced ex-police officer testifying against his drug squad colleagues acknowledged Tuesday that he stole drug money, planted evidence and lied on police paperwork too many times to count.
Jeffrey Walker told jurors that the Philadelphia Police Department drug squad targeted white "college-boy ... khaki-pants types" who were "easy to intimidate."
That matches the description of some of the drug dealers who have testified at the six-week police corruption trial that the squad stole as much as $110,000 at a time during violent, no-warrant raids.
Lead defendant Thomas Liciardello always got a cut of the stolen money, while the others split "jobs" that they worked, Walker said. The city's police brass often celebrated the squad's work with splashy news conferences to announce large seizures.
"They liked that, as far as the bosses and supervisors were concerned. It made them look good. It was nothing but a dog and pony show," Walker testified.
More than 160 drug convictions have been overturned since Walker pleaded guilty and the others were named in a 26-count indictment. Scores of civil-rights lawsuits are pending over the arrests. Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey has voiced his disgust with the squad's alleged crimes while continuing his effort to clean out and reform the 7,000-member department.
Walker, 46, said he first stole money as a uniformed patrolman when he chased a dealer into a house and spotted a large bag of cash on top of the refrigerator.
"I never saw that much money. I was a young kid," Walker told jurors. "I took some money, put it in my jacket pocket."
Defense lawyers have attacked his credibility and will no doubt point out on cross-examination Wednesday the times he admits acting alone, even before he joined the elite undercover drug unit. He also said he developed a drinking problem and became forgetful.
Jeffrey Walker told jurors that the Philadelphia Police Department drug squad targeted white "college-boy ... khaki-pants types" who were "easy to intimidate."
sure sounds like racial profiling! Time to get white man pitchforks out!
Jeffrey Walker told jurors that the Philadelphia Police Department drug squad targeted white "college-boy ... khaki-pants types" who were "easy to intimidate."
sure sounds like racial profiling! Time to get white man pitchforks out!
Jeffrey Walker told jurors that the Philadelphia Police Department drug squad targeted white "college-boy ... khaki-pants types" who were "easy to intimidate."
sure sounds like racial profiling! Time to get white man pitchforks out!
Where are green horizons and al sharpton and the other race baiters to fight for equality here? Or is racism considered a one way street now?
Jeffrey Walker told jurors that the Philadelphia Police Department drug squad targeted white "college-boy ... khaki-pants types" who were "easy to intimidate."
sure sounds like racial profiling! Time to get white man pitchforks out!
Where are green horizons and al sharpton and the other race baiters to fight for equality here? Or is racism considered a one way street now?
If there's one thing the media has taught me in the past 6 months is that, Black Lives Matter.
Jeffrey Walker told jurors that the Philadelphia Police Department drug squad targeted white "college-boy ... khaki-pants types" who were "easy to intimidate."
sure sounds like racial profiling! Time to get white man pitchforks out!
Where are green horizons and al sharpton and the other race baiters to fight for equality here? Or is racism considered a one way street now?
The police state fucks over everybody, right now it predominantly affects communities of color but when officers can get away with basically anything soon nobody will be safe.
Jeffrey Walker told jurors that the Philadelphia Police Department drug squad targeted white "college-boy ... khaki-pants types" who were "easy to intimidate."
sure sounds like racial profiling! Time to get white man pitchforks out!
Where are green horizons and al sharpton and the other race baiters to fight for equality here? Or is racism considered a one way street now?
If there's one thing the media has taught me in the past 6 months is that, Black Lives Matter.
You needed to be taught that black lives matter? Congratulations, we found the one example where people were racially profiled for being white. Any guesses as to why white college boy drug dealers are so easily intimidated by police? Probably because they've never had to deal with them! Anyways, that's beside the point since the story was about these cops being brought to task for this behavior. The "Black Lives Matter" movement regards cops specifically NOT being brought to task for police brutality. I won't pretend the movement is perfect, and focusing almost exclusively on Michael Brown rather than the countless other cases that clearly show police brutality was maybe the biggest mistake they could have made.
Racial profiling of blacks by police officers is real. Claiming that racial profiling of whites is a comparable problem because it happened in this one case is just whitewashing the issue.
It will be appropriate for people to fight equally against all racial profiling when all races are profiled equally. That is not currently the case, and is far from it.
the context of individual discriminatory events is the overall state of racial treatment. selective shakedowns of rich college students may occur, but these are obviously not constituting an overall state of gross oppression or w/e. it's not going to generate much outrage and for good reason
How about instead of getting indignant about my posts or news coverage of questionable homicides, you just get indignant about the police shitting on peoples constitutional rights and the law in general?
I'm not going to waste my breath on explaining how racism works, but it was certainly a type of profiling. Of course the same shit has been happening all over the country to black/brown folks for a long ass time. Usually just dismissed as criminals telling stories. Hell there was even a cop on video doing it a while back best I can tell no charges were pressed.. What's unique about this situation is that at least one cop actually did their job (eventually) and snitched on the dirty cops.
So how about we unite in being angry at shitty cops shitting all over the law and the people they are paid to protect, instead of trying to make it some sort of proof that there isn't a problem with cops and minorities (which any remotely competent person can observe)?
at the least trying to paint advocates like GH as race baiting by pointing to how these poor college drug dealers are treated requires some brazen ignorance.
Well all GH does is talk about how racist cops are, when that's not really the issue. Yes, that's often their motive for being assholes and is often how they pick their targets, but that's not the problem. The problem is gross abuse of authority. If there was better oversight, i.e. mandatory body cameras and an internal affairs division separate from the rest of the department, it wouldn't matter if cops were racist or not. They wouldn't get away with being assholes, regardless of their reason for being an asshole. Power-hungry Judge Dredd wannabe's would get shut down just as hard as closet KKK members.
Any plan that focuses on reducing racism instead of increasing oversight misses the fact that not all overbearing cops are racist.
On April 16 2015 04:51 Millitron wrote: Well all GH does is talk about how racist cops are, when that's not really the issue. Yes, that's often their motive for being assholes and is often how they pick their targets, but that's not the problem. The problem is gross abuse of authority. If there was better oversight, i.e. mandatory body cameras and an internal affairs division separate from the rest of the department, it wouldn't matter if cops were racist or not. They wouldn't get away with being assholes, regardless of their reason for being an asshole. Power-hungry Judge Dredd wannabe's would get shut down just as hard as closet KKK members.
Any plan that focuses on reducing racism instead of increasing oversight misses the fact that not all overbearing cops are racist.
Clearly you didn't read my post before you wrote that? It's not "the" problem, but it is a separate problem. I also don't think every person who does something based off of racial prejudice "is a racist" in the KKK member type way. Much of the racial prejudice and how it manifests is relatively unintentional and the perpetrators are often unaware that what they are doing is even a result of reacting to internal racial prejudices.
While there is plenty of overlap in resolving both issues, they are largely separate issues that will have overlapping but also different solutions. The issues of racial prejudice don't begin and end at the officer level in the justice system either. So simply addressing the officers with something like body cams, doesn't resolve the judges and people watching the videos prejudices. Like the video I posted, that's more evidence than you have in plenty of robberies yet when the department and authorities viewed the tape they didn't press any charges. Obviously a body cam doesn't fix that, nor IA that watches the video and thinks, "no need to press charges".
But I do realize it's too hard to get a large enough group of white people to comprehend the distinctions and such so I'd celebrate at least arriving at the conclusion that far too many of the police departments across the country are all sorts of fucked up and need a dramatic overhaul.
On April 16 2015 04:51 Millitron wrote: Well all GH does is talk about how racist cops are, when that's not really the issue. Yes, that's often their motive for being assholes and is often how they pick their targets, but that's not the problem. The problem is gross abuse of authority. If there was better oversight, i.e. mandatory body cameras and an internal affairs division separate from the rest of the department, it wouldn't matter if cops were racist or not. They wouldn't get away with being assholes, regardless of their reason for being an asshole. Power-hungry Judge Dredd wannabe's would get shut down just as hard as closet KKK members.
Any plan that focuses on reducing racism instead of increasing oversight misses the fact that not all overbearing cops are racist.
A fine example of a Freudian slip if I ever saw one :D Seriously though I wanted to post this video, this thread came to mind immediately, (it is kind of meta about the thread, maybe it should go somewhere to website feedback?) anyway here it is:
On April 16 2015 04:51 Millitron wrote: Well all GH does is talk about how racist cops are, when that's not really the issue. Yes, that's often their motive for being assholes and is often how they pick their targets, but that's not the problem. The problem is gross abuse of authority. If there was better oversight, i.e. mandatory body cameras and an internal affairs division separate from the rest of the department, it wouldn't matter if cops were racist or not. They wouldn't get away with being assholes, regardless of their reason for being an asshole. Power-hungry Judge Dredd wannabe's would get shut down just as hard as closet KKK members.
Any plan that focuses on reducing racism instead of increasing oversight misses the fact that not all overbearing cops are racist.
A fine example of a Freudian slip if I ever saw one :D Seriously though I wanted to post this video, this thread came to mind immediately, (it is kind of meta about the thread, maybe it should go somewhere to website feedback?) anyway here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc
How is their motive the problem?
If I steal someone's credit card info, does it really make much of a difference what I buy with it? It's just as bad whether I buy $1,000 worth of booze or $1,000 worth of cigarettes. The problem is that I stole the credit card info, not that I wanted booze or cigarettes.
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