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On January 11 2015 08:31 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 08:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:WASHINGTON (AP) — Die-hard House conservatives bungled a coup against House Speaker John Boehner but now look like winners, pushing Republicans farther right.
Rather than punish and isolate those who opposed him as leader, Boehner surprised many on Friday by embracing an immigration plan that's tougher than lawmakers had expected. It would block President Barack Obama's recent limits on deportations and undo protections for immigrants brought to the United States illegally as children.
The House is heading toward a vote Wednesday.
As the rebellious hard-liners celebrated, mainstream Republicans said Boehner's decision probably portends firmly conservative approaches to other issues. That would complicate life for some of the more moderate Senate Republicans and ensure fierce battles with the Democratic president.
Florida Rep. Richard Nugent, one of the 25 House Republicans who voted to oust Boehner, praised the Boehner-backed immigration plan.
The dissidents have complained that Boehner, R-Ohio, is too willing to compromise with Obama and Democrats. But rather than seeing the rebels frozen out during private GOP discussions on immigration strategy, Nugent said, "this time it's a very collaborative approach."
For now, though, Nugent is still off the House Rules Committee, where membership is at the speaker's discretion.
Equally enthusiastic was Rep. Louie Gohmert, a Texas Republican sometimes portrayed by Democrats as the most unreasonable of conservative purists.
"One of the things that has really been lacking for the last eight years is having more input like we've finally gotten in this bill," Gohmert said.
Some Boehner allies had urged him to punish and isolate Gohmert and the other rebels.
But that approach might permanently antagonize tea party-leaning Republicans and "force Boehner into making more concessions" to Democrats to pass bills, "which is the last thing in the world we want," said GOP Rep. Kenny Marchant of Texas, shortly after Tuesday's leadership vote. Source So the Republican nomination process is going to be almost exclusively a for-profit endeavor it appears? Looking forward to more hilarious jokes like this....
rofl. that's funny if you are with a couple of dudes, talking shit because you already had a couple of beers or something.
but on twitter? from that tool? makes it priceless to be honest.
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On January 11 2015 13:36 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 12:51 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 11 2015 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:(CNN)George Zimmerman -- the man acquitted by a Florida jury over the death of Trayvon Martin -- was arrested Friday in Florida on suspicion of aggravated assault and domestic violence with a weapon, local authorities said.
The 31-year-old Florida man was arrested by police in Lake Mary around 10 p.m. and booked into the John E. Polk Correctional Facility, according to that facility's website. That facility, like its website, is run by the Seminole County Sheriff's Office.
It all came about after Zimmerman allegedly threw a wine bottle at a girlfriend, his lawyer Don West told reporters.
"Whatever happened took place several days ago," said West. "And, as far as I know, they have not been together for some time, certainly not since then."
Police first learned about it after coming "in contact with the (alleged) victim at a traffic stop," Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said.
The incident is the latest legal run-in for Zimmerman since his acquittal in July 2012 on a murder charge in the death of Martin, a 17-year-old African-American. In fact, it's his second arrest for alleged domestic violence against a girlfriend -- though Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said this alleged "victim is not the same (woman) as in 2013."
"It's clear he hasn't been very lucky with the ladies the last few months," West said of his client. SourceTeenage boys were too dangerous so he's moved on to fighting women. I just hope people are at least a bit more skeptical of GZ's telling of the events the night Trayvon was killed by now. Hopefully this one doesn't let him off so he at least won't be running around with a (legal) gun anymore. why would people be more skeptical? he was found not guilty before. also, this is the second domestic violence charges with the first being dropped. i find it interesting that the charges were brought after the victim was pulled over by the police. seems odd. Lake Mary Police spokeswoman Officer Bianca Gillett said the fight occurred Monday at Zimmerman's Lake Mary residence. Though nobody involved called 911, police found out about the fight when an officer pulled Zimmerman's girlfriend over for a routine traffic stop around 11:50 p.m. Monday, Gillett said.
"The driver stated she was just involved in a domestic altercation with George Zimmerman," Gillett said in a statement. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman/os-george-zimmerman-arrested-assault-lake-mary-20150110-story.html Fair enough, talk about throwing him under a bus though. Seems like they certainly had a fight but whether he assaulted her or not could be a matter of embellishment. Don't think if they were happy she would make up a story like that (presuming that's what you are implying). It is a suspicious chain of coincidences regardless. In a totally different direction: + Show Spoiler +Is there a reason people shouldn't be upset about this? I mean besides the few people who benefit from it.
People will argue that Capital is the reason people are more productive not the worker. I don't agree with this argument but there is your answer.
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You don't only pay people based on how productive they are, but also based on how easily replaceable they are. Then there is also the capital thing mentioned above.
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On January 11 2015 13:36 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 12:51 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 11 2015 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:(CNN)George Zimmerman -- the man acquitted by a Florida jury over the death of Trayvon Martin -- was arrested Friday in Florida on suspicion of aggravated assault and domestic violence with a weapon, local authorities said.
The 31-year-old Florida man was arrested by police in Lake Mary around 10 p.m. and booked into the John E. Polk Correctional Facility, according to that facility's website. That facility, like its website, is run by the Seminole County Sheriff's Office.
It all came about after Zimmerman allegedly threw a wine bottle at a girlfriend, his lawyer Don West told reporters.
"Whatever happened took place several days ago," said West. "And, as far as I know, they have not been together for some time, certainly not since then."
Police first learned about it after coming "in contact with the (alleged) victim at a traffic stop," Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said.
The incident is the latest legal run-in for Zimmerman since his acquittal in July 2012 on a murder charge in the death of Martin, a 17-year-old African-American. In fact, it's his second arrest for alleged domestic violence against a girlfriend -- though Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said this alleged "victim is not the same (woman) as in 2013."
"It's clear he hasn't been very lucky with the ladies the last few months," West said of his client. SourceTeenage boys were too dangerous so he's moved on to fighting women. I just hope people are at least a bit more skeptical of GZ's telling of the events the night Trayvon was killed by now. Hopefully this one doesn't let him off so he at least won't be running around with a (legal) gun anymore. why would people be more skeptical? he was found not guilty before. also, this is the second domestic violence charges with the first being dropped. i find it interesting that the charges were brought after the victim was pulled over by the police. seems odd. Lake Mary Police spokeswoman Officer Bianca Gillett said the fight occurred Monday at Zimmerman's Lake Mary residence. Though nobody involved called 911, police found out about the fight when an officer pulled Zimmerman's girlfriend over for a routine traffic stop around 11:50 p.m. Monday, Gillett said.
"The driver stated she was just involved in a domestic altercation with George Zimmerman," Gillett said in a statement. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman/os-george-zimmerman-arrested-assault-lake-mary-20150110-story.html Fair enough, talk about throwing him under a bus though. Seems like they certainly had a fight but whether he assaulted her or not could be a matter of embellishment. Don't think if they were happy she would make up a story like that (presuming that's what you are implying). It is a suspicious chain of coincidences regardless. In a totally different direction: + Show Spoiler +Is there a reason people shouldn't be upset about this? I mean besides the few people who benefit from it.
Graphs like that tend to be faulty. Productivity and compensation move together very closely, when you bother to use the correct data. When you use the correct data, there's still a gap, but it's much smaller than what is expressed in the graph you posted.
I don't know the specifics of that graph, but it should be mean to mean, not mean to median, use the same deflector in the data-sets and compensation should include benefits.
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On January 11 2015 14:35 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 13:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 11 2015 12:51 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 11 2015 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:(CNN)George Zimmerman -- the man acquitted by a Florida jury over the death of Trayvon Martin -- was arrested Friday in Florida on suspicion of aggravated assault and domestic violence with a weapon, local authorities said.
The 31-year-old Florida man was arrested by police in Lake Mary around 10 p.m. and booked into the John E. Polk Correctional Facility, according to that facility's website. That facility, like its website, is run by the Seminole County Sheriff's Office.
It all came about after Zimmerman allegedly threw a wine bottle at a girlfriend, his lawyer Don West told reporters.
"Whatever happened took place several days ago," said West. "And, as far as I know, they have not been together for some time, certainly not since then."
Police first learned about it after coming "in contact with the (alleged) victim at a traffic stop," Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said.
The incident is the latest legal run-in for Zimmerman since his acquittal in July 2012 on a murder charge in the death of Martin, a 17-year-old African-American. In fact, it's his second arrest for alleged domestic violence against a girlfriend -- though Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said this alleged "victim is not the same (woman) as in 2013."
"It's clear he hasn't been very lucky with the ladies the last few months," West said of his client. SourceTeenage boys were too dangerous so he's moved on to fighting women. I just hope people are at least a bit more skeptical of GZ's telling of the events the night Trayvon was killed by now. Hopefully this one doesn't let him off so he at least won't be running around with a (legal) gun anymore. why would people be more skeptical? he was found not guilty before. also, this is the second domestic violence charges with the first being dropped. i find it interesting that the charges were brought after the victim was pulled over by the police. seems odd. Lake Mary Police spokeswoman Officer Bianca Gillett said the fight occurred Monday at Zimmerman's Lake Mary residence. Though nobody involved called 911, police found out about the fight when an officer pulled Zimmerman's girlfriend over for a routine traffic stop around 11:50 p.m. Monday, Gillett said.
"The driver stated she was just involved in a domestic altercation with George Zimmerman," Gillett said in a statement. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman/os-george-zimmerman-arrested-assault-lake-mary-20150110-story.html Fair enough, talk about throwing him under a bus though. Seems like they certainly had a fight but whether he assaulted her or not could be a matter of embellishment. Don't think if they were happy she would make up a story like that (presuming that's what you are implying). It is a suspicious chain of coincidences regardless. In a totally different direction: + Show Spoiler +Is there a reason people shouldn't be upset about this? I mean besides the few people who benefit from it. Graphs like that tend to be faulty. Productivity and compensation move together very closely, when you bother to use the correct data. When you use the correct data, there's still a gap, but it's much smaller than what is expressed in the graph you posted. I don't know the specifics of that graph, but it should be mean to mean, not mean to median, use the same deflector in the data-sets and compensation should include benefits. can you link to one of those graphs?
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On January 11 2015 14:59 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 14:35 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 11 2015 13:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 11 2015 12:51 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 11 2015 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:(CNN)George Zimmerman -- the man acquitted by a Florida jury over the death of Trayvon Martin -- was arrested Friday in Florida on suspicion of aggravated assault and domestic violence with a weapon, local authorities said.
The 31-year-old Florida man was arrested by police in Lake Mary around 10 p.m. and booked into the John E. Polk Correctional Facility, according to that facility's website. That facility, like its website, is run by the Seminole County Sheriff's Office.
It all came about after Zimmerman allegedly threw a wine bottle at a girlfriend, his lawyer Don West told reporters.
"Whatever happened took place several days ago," said West. "And, as far as I know, they have not been together for some time, certainly not since then."
Police first learned about it after coming "in contact with the (alleged) victim at a traffic stop," Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said.
The incident is the latest legal run-in for Zimmerman since his acquittal in July 2012 on a murder charge in the death of Martin, a 17-year-old African-American. In fact, it's his second arrest for alleged domestic violence against a girlfriend -- though Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said this alleged "victim is not the same (woman) as in 2013."
"It's clear he hasn't been very lucky with the ladies the last few months," West said of his client. SourceTeenage boys were too dangerous so he's moved on to fighting women. I just hope people are at least a bit more skeptical of GZ's telling of the events the night Trayvon was killed by now. Hopefully this one doesn't let him off so he at least won't be running around with a (legal) gun anymore. why would people be more skeptical? he was found not guilty before. also, this is the second domestic violence charges with the first being dropped. i find it interesting that the charges were brought after the victim was pulled over by the police. seems odd. Lake Mary Police spokeswoman Officer Bianca Gillett said the fight occurred Monday at Zimmerman's Lake Mary residence. Though nobody involved called 911, police found out about the fight when an officer pulled Zimmerman's girlfriend over for a routine traffic stop around 11:50 p.m. Monday, Gillett said.
"The driver stated she was just involved in a domestic altercation with George Zimmerman," Gillett said in a statement. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman/os-george-zimmerman-arrested-assault-lake-mary-20150110-story.html Fair enough, talk about throwing him under a bus though. Seems like they certainly had a fight but whether he assaulted her or not could be a matter of embellishment. Don't think if they were happy she would make up a story like that (presuming that's what you are implying). It is a suspicious chain of coincidences regardless. In a totally different direction: + Show Spoiler +Is there a reason people shouldn't be upset about this? I mean besides the few people who benefit from it. Graphs like that tend to be faulty. Productivity and compensation move together very closely, when you bother to use the correct data. When you use the correct data, there's still a gap, but it's much smaller than what is expressed in the graph you posted. I don't know the specifics of that graph, but it should be mean to mean, not mean to median, use the same deflector in the data-sets and compensation should include benefits. can you link to one of those graphs?
I think this is what I posted last time this came up:
![[image loading]](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72070179/labor%20income%202.JPG)
It's from a Cleveland Fed article, but the link doesn't work any more. If I remember things right, the gap largely went to capital for some justifiable reasons (ex. faster depreciation rates) as well as some arbitrary ones like higher profits.
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I found something a bit more thorough.
What confuses me is that I still see the same disturbing trend even if it is less pronounced. I mean if Heritage could of gotten the numbers to look any better they would have.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kRHwxOe.gif) Conclusion Many pundits and politicians contend that employees’ pay has not kept up with their productivity and that this phenomenon pre-dates the recent deep recession and sluggish recovery. They argue that workers are more productive than ever before, but that employers systematically underpay them. Fortunately, these claims are false. They rest on mistaken comparisons of economic data. Looking at total compensation data—including benefits—from the same source as the productivity figures and using consistent measures of inflation eliminate over three-quarters of the apparent gap between pay and productivity. Factors artificially inflating productivity—like greater depreciation and measurement errors—account for most of the remaining difference. Workers’ compensation has closely tracked their productivity over the past generation. Policymakers should not worry about closing this nonexistent gap. Instead they should look for ways to improve the skills of less-productive workers
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There are a lot of really silly statements in that conclusion though so it's kind of hard to take seriously.
For instance the gap that we see there in the graph is "non-existent"
Maybe I'm reading something wrong (it's late and I've been drinking) but when they say
They argue that workers are more productive than ever before...
then
Fortunately, these claims are false.
What are they claiming? It looks like they are suggesting that workers aren't more productive?
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On January 11 2015 15:17 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 14:59 Sub40APM wrote:On January 11 2015 14:35 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 11 2015 13:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 11 2015 12:51 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 11 2015 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:(CNN)George Zimmerman -- the man acquitted by a Florida jury over the death of Trayvon Martin -- was arrested Friday in Florida on suspicion of aggravated assault and domestic violence with a weapon, local authorities said.
The 31-year-old Florida man was arrested by police in Lake Mary around 10 p.m. and booked into the John E. Polk Correctional Facility, according to that facility's website. That facility, like its website, is run by the Seminole County Sheriff's Office.
It all came about after Zimmerman allegedly threw a wine bottle at a girlfriend, his lawyer Don West told reporters.
"Whatever happened took place several days ago," said West. "And, as far as I know, they have not been together for some time, certainly not since then."
Police first learned about it after coming "in contact with the (alleged) victim at a traffic stop," Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said.
The incident is the latest legal run-in for Zimmerman since his acquittal in July 2012 on a murder charge in the death of Martin, a 17-year-old African-American. In fact, it's his second arrest for alleged domestic violence against a girlfriend -- though Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said this alleged "victim is not the same (woman) as in 2013."
"It's clear he hasn't been very lucky with the ladies the last few months," West said of his client. SourceTeenage boys were too dangerous so he's moved on to fighting women. I just hope people are at least a bit more skeptical of GZ's telling of the events the night Trayvon was killed by now. Hopefully this one doesn't let him off so he at least won't be running around with a (legal) gun anymore. why would people be more skeptical? he was found not guilty before. also, this is the second domestic violence charges with the first being dropped. i find it interesting that the charges were brought after the victim was pulled over by the police. seems odd. Lake Mary Police spokeswoman Officer Bianca Gillett said the fight occurred Monday at Zimmerman's Lake Mary residence. Though nobody involved called 911, police found out about the fight when an officer pulled Zimmerman's girlfriend over for a routine traffic stop around 11:50 p.m. Monday, Gillett said.
"The driver stated she was just involved in a domestic altercation with George Zimmerman," Gillett said in a statement. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman/os-george-zimmerman-arrested-assault-lake-mary-20150110-story.html Fair enough, talk about throwing him under a bus though. Seems like they certainly had a fight but whether he assaulted her or not could be a matter of embellishment. Don't think if they were happy she would make up a story like that (presuming that's what you are implying). It is a suspicious chain of coincidences regardless. In a totally different direction: + Show Spoiler +Is there a reason people shouldn't be upset about this? I mean besides the few people who benefit from it. Graphs like that tend to be faulty. Productivity and compensation move together very closely, when you bother to use the correct data. When you use the correct data, there's still a gap, but it's much smaller than what is expressed in the graph you posted. I don't know the specifics of that graph, but it should be mean to mean, not mean to median, use the same deflector in the data-sets and compensation should include benefits. can you link to one of those graphs? I think this is what I posted last time this came up: It's from a Cleveland Fed article, but the link doesn't work any more. If I remember things right, the gap largely went to capital for some justifiable reasons (ex. faster depreciation rates) as well as some arbitrary ones like higher profits.
Whats their deflator?
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The administration of New York City mayor Bill De Blasio announced today a ban on single-use styrofoam products starting on July 1st, 2015. The decision follows a long-awaited determination by the Department of Sanitation that Expanded Polystyrene (EPS) is not a recyclable product. The new law prohibits NYC food service establishments, stores and manufacturers from possessing, selling or offer single-service EPS foam articles or polystyrene loose fill packaging in New York City
The ban piggybacks legislation introduced in 2013 that restricted the sale and use of single-use polystyrene containers. This includes cups, food containers, and packing materials, and applies to sales in restaurants, coffee shops, food carts, and other establishments. Instead of going into effect back in 2013, the ban was delayed to give the city a chance to find a way to recycle the material.
The Department of Sanitation consulted with polystyrene manufacturers and vendors before reaching their final determination that there is not currently an effective method for recycling or reusing disused polystyrene. Mayor De Blasio is optimistic about the ban’s environmental impact. The law is expected to keep nearly 30,000 tons of EPS waste out of New York landfills and streets.
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On January 11 2015 15:17 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 14:59 Sub40APM wrote:On January 11 2015 14:35 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 11 2015 13:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 11 2015 12:51 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 11 2015 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:(CNN)George Zimmerman -- the man acquitted by a Florida jury over the death of Trayvon Martin -- was arrested Friday in Florida on suspicion of aggravated assault and domestic violence with a weapon, local authorities said.
The 31-year-old Florida man was arrested by police in Lake Mary around 10 p.m. and booked into the John E. Polk Correctional Facility, according to that facility's website. That facility, like its website, is run by the Seminole County Sheriff's Office.
It all came about after Zimmerman allegedly threw a wine bottle at a girlfriend, his lawyer Don West told reporters.
"Whatever happened took place several days ago," said West. "And, as far as I know, they have not been together for some time, certainly not since then."
Police first learned about it after coming "in contact with the (alleged) victim at a traffic stop," Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said.
The incident is the latest legal run-in for Zimmerman since his acquittal in July 2012 on a murder charge in the death of Martin, a 17-year-old African-American. In fact, it's his second arrest for alleged domestic violence against a girlfriend -- though Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said this alleged "victim is not the same (woman) as in 2013."
"It's clear he hasn't been very lucky with the ladies the last few months," West said of his client. SourceTeenage boys were too dangerous so he's moved on to fighting women. I just hope people are at least a bit more skeptical of GZ's telling of the events the night Trayvon was killed by now. Hopefully this one doesn't let him off so he at least won't be running around with a (legal) gun anymore. why would people be more skeptical? he was found not guilty before. also, this is the second domestic violence charges with the first being dropped. i find it interesting that the charges were brought after the victim was pulled over by the police. seems odd. Lake Mary Police spokeswoman Officer Bianca Gillett said the fight occurred Monday at Zimmerman's Lake Mary residence. Though nobody involved called 911, police found out about the fight when an officer pulled Zimmerman's girlfriend over for a routine traffic stop around 11:50 p.m. Monday, Gillett said.
"The driver stated she was just involved in a domestic altercation with George Zimmerman," Gillett said in a statement. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman/os-george-zimmerman-arrested-assault-lake-mary-20150110-story.html Fair enough, talk about throwing him under a bus though. Seems like they certainly had a fight but whether he assaulted her or not could be a matter of embellishment. Don't think if they were happy she would make up a story like that (presuming that's what you are implying). It is a suspicious chain of coincidences regardless. In a totally different direction: + Show Spoiler +Is there a reason people shouldn't be upset about this? I mean besides the few people who benefit from it. Graphs like that tend to be faulty. Productivity and compensation move together very closely, when you bother to use the correct data. When you use the correct data, there's still a gap, but it's much smaller than what is expressed in the graph you posted. I don't know the specifics of that graph, but it should be mean to mean, not mean to median, use the same deflector in the data-sets and compensation should include benefits. can you link to one of those graphs? I think this is what I posted last time this came up: It's from a Cleveland Fed article, but the link doesn't work any more. If I remember things right, the gap largely went to capital for some justifiable reasons (ex. faster depreciation rates) as well as some arbitrary ones like higher profits.
Your graph says the same thing, there is a clear split between productivity and wage on your graph (more than 50 points). The datas in themselves barely ever say anything (because the indicators are always imperfect), it's the trends that matters, and they're all the same more or less.
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On January 11 2015 19:24 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 15:17 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 11 2015 14:59 Sub40APM wrote:On January 11 2015 14:35 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 11 2015 13:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 11 2015 12:51 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 11 2015 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:(CNN)George Zimmerman -- the man acquitted by a Florida jury over the death of Trayvon Martin -- was arrested Friday in Florida on suspicion of aggravated assault and domestic violence with a weapon, local authorities said.
The 31-year-old Florida man was arrested by police in Lake Mary around 10 p.m. and booked into the John E. Polk Correctional Facility, according to that facility's website. That facility, like its website, is run by the Seminole County Sheriff's Office.
It all came about after Zimmerman allegedly threw a wine bottle at a girlfriend, his lawyer Don West told reporters.
"Whatever happened took place several days ago," said West. "And, as far as I know, they have not been together for some time, certainly not since then."
Police first learned about it after coming "in contact with the (alleged) victim at a traffic stop," Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said.
The incident is the latest legal run-in for Zimmerman since his acquittal in July 2012 on a murder charge in the death of Martin, a 17-year-old African-American. In fact, it's his second arrest for alleged domestic violence against a girlfriend -- though Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said this alleged "victim is not the same (woman) as in 2013."
"It's clear he hasn't been very lucky with the ladies the last few months," West said of his client. SourceTeenage boys were too dangerous so he's moved on to fighting women. I just hope people are at least a bit more skeptical of GZ's telling of the events the night Trayvon was killed by now. Hopefully this one doesn't let him off so he at least won't be running around with a (legal) gun anymore. why would people be more skeptical? he was found not guilty before. also, this is the second domestic violence charges with the first being dropped. i find it interesting that the charges were brought after the victim was pulled over by the police. seems odd. Lake Mary Police spokeswoman Officer Bianca Gillett said the fight occurred Monday at Zimmerman's Lake Mary residence. Though nobody involved called 911, police found out about the fight when an officer pulled Zimmerman's girlfriend over for a routine traffic stop around 11:50 p.m. Monday, Gillett said.
"The driver stated she was just involved in a domestic altercation with George Zimmerman," Gillett said in a statement. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman/os-george-zimmerman-arrested-assault-lake-mary-20150110-story.html Fair enough, talk about throwing him under a bus though. Seems like they certainly had a fight but whether he assaulted her or not could be a matter of embellishment. Don't think if they were happy she would make up a story like that (presuming that's what you are implying). It is a suspicious chain of coincidences regardless. In a totally different direction: + Show Spoiler +Is there a reason people shouldn't be upset about this? I mean besides the few people who benefit from it. Graphs like that tend to be faulty. Productivity and compensation move together very closely, when you bother to use the correct data. When you use the correct data, there's still a gap, but it's much smaller than what is expressed in the graph you posted. I don't know the specifics of that graph, but it should be mean to mean, not mean to median, use the same deflector in the data-sets and compensation should include benefits. can you link to one of those graphs? I think this is what I posted last time this came up: It's from a Cleveland Fed article, but the link doesn't work any more. If I remember things right, the gap largely went to capital for some justifiable reasons (ex. faster depreciation rates) as well as some arbitrary ones like higher profits. Whats their deflator?
Not sure, like I said the link doesn't work anymore. I'd assume they used the IPD to adjust the compensation data, since that is what is used on the productivity data. If you don't use the same, or very similar, deflators your results are tainted since the gap will partially be showing a gap between the two deflators, which we aren't interested in here. Eyeballing the heritage chart GH posted, it looks like the IPD is used.
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On January 12 2015 05:07 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 15:17 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 11 2015 14:59 Sub40APM wrote:On January 11 2015 14:35 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 11 2015 13:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 11 2015 12:51 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 11 2015 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:(CNN)George Zimmerman -- the man acquitted by a Florida jury over the death of Trayvon Martin -- was arrested Friday in Florida on suspicion of aggravated assault and domestic violence with a weapon, local authorities said.
The 31-year-old Florida man was arrested by police in Lake Mary around 10 p.m. and booked into the John E. Polk Correctional Facility, according to that facility's website. That facility, like its website, is run by the Seminole County Sheriff's Office.
It all came about after Zimmerman allegedly threw a wine bottle at a girlfriend, his lawyer Don West told reporters.
"Whatever happened took place several days ago," said West. "And, as far as I know, they have not been together for some time, certainly not since then."
Police first learned about it after coming "in contact with the (alleged) victim at a traffic stop," Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said.
The incident is the latest legal run-in for Zimmerman since his acquittal in July 2012 on a murder charge in the death of Martin, a 17-year-old African-American. In fact, it's his second arrest for alleged domestic violence against a girlfriend -- though Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said this alleged "victim is not the same (woman) as in 2013."
"It's clear he hasn't been very lucky with the ladies the last few months," West said of his client. SourceTeenage boys were too dangerous so he's moved on to fighting women. I just hope people are at least a bit more skeptical of GZ's telling of the events the night Trayvon was killed by now. Hopefully this one doesn't let him off so he at least won't be running around with a (legal) gun anymore. why would people be more skeptical? he was found not guilty before. also, this is the second domestic violence charges with the first being dropped. i find it interesting that the charges were brought after the victim was pulled over by the police. seems odd. Lake Mary Police spokeswoman Officer Bianca Gillett said the fight occurred Monday at Zimmerman's Lake Mary residence. Though nobody involved called 911, police found out about the fight when an officer pulled Zimmerman's girlfriend over for a routine traffic stop around 11:50 p.m. Monday, Gillett said.
"The driver stated she was just involved in a domestic altercation with George Zimmerman," Gillett said in a statement. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman/os-george-zimmerman-arrested-assault-lake-mary-20150110-story.html Fair enough, talk about throwing him under a bus though. Seems like they certainly had a fight but whether he assaulted her or not could be a matter of embellishment. Don't think if they were happy she would make up a story like that (presuming that's what you are implying). It is a suspicious chain of coincidences regardless. In a totally different direction: + Show Spoiler +Is there a reason people shouldn't be upset about this? I mean besides the few people who benefit from it. Graphs like that tend to be faulty. Productivity and compensation move together very closely, when you bother to use the correct data. When you use the correct data, there's still a gap, but it's much smaller than what is expressed in the graph you posted. I don't know the specifics of that graph, but it should be mean to mean, not mean to median, use the same deflector in the data-sets and compensation should include benefits. can you link to one of those graphs? I think this is what I posted last time this came up: It's from a Cleveland Fed article, but the link doesn't work any more. If I remember things right, the gap largely went to capital for some justifiable reasons (ex. faster depreciation rates) as well as some arbitrary ones like higher profits. Your graph says the same thing, there is a clear split between productivity and wage on your graph (more than 50 points).
It doesn't say the same thing. First off, the chart GH posted shows compensation as stagnant. Second, the chart GH posted shows a much larger divergence.
Yes, they both show a gap, and if you'd like to discuss that we can. But please don't just make pedantic complaints like last time.
Edit: to your added point - yes, trends matter. But the trends are different. Again, one shows stagnation, the other doesn't.
Edit 2: also not sure why you think a gap of 200+ points or 50+ is immaterial. Those two figures represent a huge difference in what people earn.
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200 + points and 50 points is that how you see those two graph ? lol Jonny's glasses.
It's something like 70 to something like 136.
And it shows stagnation ? Just because the scale make all short term change unclear doesn't mean it stagnate.
This shows how you just don't know what you're talking about... Let's say the first graph is made with unrefined data, and the second is, it doesn't change much : the trend in both those graph is that there is a gap between compensation and productivity, a gap that didn't exist prior to late 70s + 80s. In fact it's almost a world wide phenomena.
I don't really need to talk about it with you, we've done it many time and you always bring back those arguments : you must take compensation and not wage into consideration, yeah ok sure, and ? And then you discuss the data to no end to make it seem like the gap does not exist.
Pedantic sure.
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On January 12 2015 06:08 WhiteDog wrote:
200 + points and 50 points is that how you see those two graph ? lol Jonny's glasses.
It's something like 70 to something like 136.
And it shows stagnation ? Just because the scale make all short term change unclear doesn't mean it stagnate.
This shows how you just don't know what you're talking about... Let's say the first graph is made with unrefined data, and the second is, it doesn't change much : the trend in both those graph is that there is a gap between compensation and productivity, a gap that didn't exist prior to late 70s + 80s. In fact it's almost a world wide phenomena.
I don't really need to talk about it with you, we've done it many time and you always bring back those arguments : you must take compensation and not wage into consideration, yeah ok sure, and ? And then you discuss the data to no end to make it seem like the gap does not exist.
Pedantic sure.
The first graph shows stagnation (flat for number of decades). Using the scale in the second chart, that gives a 200pt gap. Using the scale in GH's graph gives a 28 point gap. So the difference is very large, and your math is very wrong.
I've never claimed that the gap doesn't exist, only that it is much smaller than often shown. That matters!
As for the gap itself, some is explained by changing technology. IT depreciates faster than mechanical machines and so less goes to workers so that the business can repurchase new equipment. Another factor is rising home values and the imputed rent derived from home ownership. Lastly, profits are up from a low around the 80's, though lower than the post-war high and very cyclical. I can back all these points up with data, if you'd like.
Edit: A point about the graphs. GH's post from Heritage shows the different lines on one chart. It starts with a ~110pt gap (wages using CPI), which turns into a 70pt gap when you add in benefits. Adjusting for the deflators issue closes the gap to 25pts. So 75%+ of the gap is explained by the two factors that I consistently bring up first. Bear in mind that I bring them up first because they are the dominant factors, and not because I'm trying to hide the existence of the gap.
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Explain me how 243.1 is 200 pts way from 108.9.
The fact that it is smaller (or bigger) doesn't mean anything. You don't seem to understand this, but saying it's smaller than does not mean it's small. You have no objective meaning to say that it's small : it's a relevant gap, pretty important, and you using the data that benefit your discurse does not change that (for exemple, using data that stop in 2009 to criticize data that goes to 2013).
All your points are overly used (technology... there are libraries on that lol). You make it seems like their laws, accepted by everybody. For many, the gap is a political question, related to the balance of power between labor and capital.
Also, you put aside two point : one is inequality (the gap is way bigger for lower employment who didn't have any increase in wage, but thankfully this is almost impossible to objectify) and the second, linked to the first, is the fact that the impact of inflation is heterogeneous (touching differently all incomes), making any data based on CPI imperfect by nature (smoothing inequalities). For your narratives all that is good since it lessen the gap, permitting you to make it seem like it's "small" and not only "smaller".
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that graph looks less bad than the commonly shown graph of total productivity vs labor compensation (rather than per hour). the decline in full wage employment is not shown.
and we know a surplus labor pool drives down wages.
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On January 12 2015 07:27 WhiteDog wrote:
Explain me how 243.1 is 200 pts way from 108.9.
The fact that it is smaller (or bigger) doesn't mean anything. You don't seem to understand this, but saying it's smaller than does not mean it's small. You have no objective meaning to say that it's small : it's a relevant gap, pretty important, and you using the data that benefit your discurse does not change that (for exemple, using data that stop in 2009 to criticize data that goes to 2013).
All your points are overly used (technology... there are libraries on that lol). You make it seems like their laws, accepted by everybody. For many, the gap is a political question, related to the balance of power between labor and capital.
Also, you put aside two point : one is inequality (the gap is way bigger for lower employment who didn't have any increase in wage, but thankfully this is almost impossible to objectify) and the second, linked to the first, is the fact that the impact of inflation is heterogeneous (touching differently all incomes), making any data based on CPI imperfect by nature (smoothing inequalities). For your narratives all that is good since it lessen the gap, permitting you to make it seem like it's "small" and not only "smaller".
That's a different scale. Using that scale the gap starts at 134.2 and falls to around 35.
You're still complaining that I used the word small? That was months ago! Pedantic indeed!
Modern technology really does depreciate faster, here is some data on it:
![[image loading]](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72070179/labor%20share%203.jpg)
Maybe I use the same points over and over because... they are accurate? Hrmm, no that can't possibly be it... the true answer must be in the Holy Book Das Kapital 
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Does anyone not see the largest gap we have ever had reliable data for? No matter how one manipulates the numbers?
While some here may not be trying to deny the gaps existence, they are using the same rhetoric and graphs as the people who are trying to deny it's existence in order to make it seem less significant than "the largest gap in history".
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On January 12 2015 08:38 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone not see the largest gap we have ever had reliable data for? No matter how one manipulates the numbers?
While some here may not be trying to deny the gaps existence, they are using the same rhetoric and graphs as the people who are trying to deny it's existence in order to make it seem less significant than "the largest gap in history".
But you understand "the largest gap in history" is a useless trophy label. It says nothing about quality of life or the effect on people.
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On January 12 2015 09:02 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 08:38 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone not see the largest gap we have ever had reliable data for? No matter how one manipulates the numbers?
While some here may not be trying to deny the gaps existence, they are using the same rhetoric and graphs as the people who are trying to deny it's existence in order to make it seem less significant than "the largest gap in history".
But you understand "the largest gap in history" is a useless trophy label. It says nothing about quality of life or the effect on people.
It says a lot about the weight of labor on production and income.
On January 12 2015 08:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 07:27 WhiteDog wrote:
Explain me how 243.1 is 200 pts way from 108.9.
The fact that it is smaller (or bigger) doesn't mean anything. You don't seem to understand this, but saying it's smaller than does not mean it's small. You have no objective meaning to say that it's small : it's a relevant gap, pretty important, and you using the data that benefit your discurse does not change that (for exemple, using data that stop in 2009 to criticize data that goes to 2013).
All your points are overly used (technology... there are libraries on that lol). You make it seems like their laws, accepted by everybody. For many, the gap is a political question, related to the balance of power between labor and capital.
Also, you put aside two point : one is inequality (the gap is way bigger for lower employment who didn't have any increase in wage, but thankfully this is almost impossible to objectify) and the second, linked to the first, is the fact that the impact of inflation is heterogeneous (touching differently all incomes), making any data based on CPI imperfect by nature (smoothing inequalities). For your narratives all that is good since it lessen the gap, permitting you to make it seem like it's "small" and not only "smaller". That's a different scale. Using that scale the gap starts at 134.2 and falls to around 35. You're still complaining that I used the word small? That was months ago! Pedantic indeed! Modern technology really does depreciate faster, here is some data on it: Maybe I use the same points over and over because... they are accurate? Hrmm, no that can't possibly be it... the true answer must be in the Holy Book Das Kapital
Bah you're pityful. I don't even understand you get a +200 pts gap. Which scale are you talking about ? 134.2 where ? Are we looking at the same graph ?
You're so funny. Not only you are the prime exemple of pedantry, but more than you're an ignorant. Das Kaspital, ever read some pages ? Did you ever said anything intelligent aside from nitpicking numbers and having some quick reasonning ?
Like your graph you actually think it is in any way a fact that support your claim that the evolution of technology is entirely responsible for the distribution of income since 1970-80 ? Did it ever occur to you, in your little mind, that none of your facts contredict the idea that the distribution of income is political and that the increase profit and increase investment of income on capital assets is also the result of a shift in power between capital and labor ?
Soon you'll resort to insult because you can't argue except for the "data game".
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