EPTI have nothing against peaceful muslims (read; majority of muslims) but the way koran promotes woman discrimination and violence is wrong in my opinion, should be re-written by some christian peaceful dude or smth.
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ErAsc2
Sweden256 Posts
I have nothing against peaceful muslims (read; majority of muslims) but the way koran promotes woman discrimination and violence is wrong in my opinion, should be re-written by some christian peaceful dude or smth. | ||
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Space Invader
Australia291 Posts
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GnarlyArbitrage
575 Posts
You don't think America wants Mexico to be fucked by the Zetas? There's also military experience to be gained. (This is an EXTREMELY unpopular opinion, but if you had to choose from a new recruit or a battle-hardened vet to fight for your life, who would you choose?) Also, the Zetas pose literally no threat to the safety of America. A very small amount may get caught in the cross fire, but the Zetas pose no threat. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On November 18 2012 16:34 Space Invader wrote: Baffles me that there is so little Palestinian sympathy in this poll... I have to assume it is because of ignorance, since most TL.net users are not yet partisan enough to side with Israel in their atrocities - unless there is a high population of Christians here. lol, everyone who doesn't agree with you is ignorant. | ||
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Craze
United States561 Posts
Yea I figured that is what he meant, but how he can compare drugs coming over the border to explosive rockets raining down on innocent civilians I'm not sure. | ||
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HunterX11
United States1048 Posts
On rare occasions, Americans are killed by the cartels, either when visiting Mexico, or (even more rarely) in America. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On November 18 2012 16:58 HunterX11 wrote: On rare occasions, Americans are killed by the cartels, either when visiting Mexico, or (even more rarely) in America. Umm.... he was referring to your suggestion that Mexicans "pose a much greater threat to American citizens than Gazans do to Israelis." lol.... | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On November 18 2012 16:37 DigiGnar wrote: You don't think America wants Mexico to be fucked by the Zetas? There's also military experience to be gained. (This is an EXTREMELY unpopular opinion, but if you had to choose from a new recruit or a battle-hardened vet to fight for your life, who would you choose?) Also, the Zetas pose literally no threat to the safety of America. A very small amount may get caught in the cross fire, but the Zetas pose no threat. You're joking right? That's stupid. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On November 18 2012 13:08 Nausea wrote: I feel Iran nuke incoming over Israel. I feel you don't understand nuclear weapons. Iran using a nuke would mean the end of their country existing. They don't even have nukes yet anyway. On November 18 2012 14:54 Bulugulu wrote: Actually we would still probably give land if we thought it would lead to real long-lasting peace, like we have with jordan, and like we had for years with Egypt. As far as I know Hamas isn't willing to directly deal with Israel, and acknowledge our existence (as a legitimate state), not to mention giving peace in return for land. They want ALL the land, and they're willing to fight a long attrition jihad (holy war) to achieve those ends. To quote some Hamas official at a public speech - "we love death as much as the jews love life". By the way, meanwhile in the west bank (the other part of the Palestinian people in the area) where they have elected to be led by a more progressive administration there are very little hostilities. They're not bombing us and we're not bombing them. If the people in the Gaza strip, instead of electing a terrorist organization (Hamas) - elected the same administration as the West Bank (Fatah, led by Mahmoud Abbas)then maybe we would be negotiating land exchange and the split of Jerusalem as we speak. As to the "claim" idea. It's irrelevant at this point who has the historical "right" to the lands. The bottom line is both people have a right to exist, and can co-exist and prosper if they so choose. In order to do this negotiations are required and both sides need to acknowledge each other. Hypothetically, even if one side had 100% historical right to the lands - would that mean that they(the other party) had to go to exile and leave? Of course not. The facts of the land are that both Israel and the Palestinians are here to stay (hopefully), and they have to make do with that. Squabbling over history will achieve nothing. Good post, if everyone shared your view of the situation it would probably be solved by now. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
I see no good end to this other than a temporary peace, man fuck terrorism. Civilians always get fucked over | ||
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Omri
Israel638 Posts
On November 18 2012 17:20 biology]major wrote: so with my VERY limited information on this situation, one side is lead by terrorists (hamas) that use their civilians as a shield for their objective to eliminate Israel. The other side is willing to negotiate and is willing to play "defense" permanently, although it does retaliate just as readily. Both sides have committed atrocities, but why do these countries insist on fighting Israel, when it can wipe them off the map? power of terrorism + extreme religion I guess... I see no good end to this other than a temporary peace, man fuck terrorism. Civilians always get fucked over Because they have a cause they believe in. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On November 18 2012 17:20 biology]major wrote: so with my VERY limited information on this situation, one side is lead by terrorists (hamas) that use their civilians as a shield for their objective to eliminate Israel. The other side is willing to negotiate and is willing to play "defense" permanently, although it does retaliate just as readily. Both sides have committed atrocities, but why do these countries insist on fighting Israel, when it can wipe them off the map? power of terrorism + extreme religion I guess... I see no good end to this other than a temporary peace, man fuck terrorism. Civilians always get fucked over One mans terrorist is the other mans freedom fighter. And Israel is not exactly just playing "defence" nor are they too willing to negotiate, in fact they do everything they can to obstruct Palestine as showcased by their latest actions in the UN. There is no good side down there. They are both equally bad and equally willing in targeting the civilian population. | ||
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
On November 18 2012 17:38 Ghostcom wrote: One mans terrorist is the other mans freedom fighter. And Israel is not exactly just playing "defence" nor are they too willing to negotiate, in fact they do everything they can to obstruct Palestine as showcased by their latest actions in the UN. There is no good side down there. They are both equally bad and equally willing in targeting the civilian population. No, they are not both equally as bad, Hamas aims at civilians and dosnt mind in the least when their own civilians die as its good PR and anyway they will get to heaven. Plenty times in this thread people have linked info and shown where Hamas fire from, keep their weapons and fire randomly in to population centers. If Israel were to fire a rockets randomly after each time it was hit then you could argue that they are equally as bad, | ||
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KingAce
United States471 Posts
I am not one so naive to believe a peaceful world can exist. Not really not ever. Peace, or some form of it is always within a limited time period. Usually, right after a war. Peace is achieved with human sacrifice....because death seems to be the biggest motivator in coming people the fuck down. Only after death do people really appreciate the value of life. How many lives have to be forfeit for this realization remains to be seen.When I look at this situation, that I am not apart of and can never truly comprehend. I don't see a peaceful resolution. How many times have they tried? It's getting to that point where blood has to be shade, massively. | ||
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
On November 18 2012 17:50 KingAce wrote: People might not like to hear this but sometimes war is the only solution. I am not one so naive to believe a peaceful world can exist. Not really not ever. Peace, or some form of it is always within a limited time period. Usually, right after a war. Peace is achieved with human sacrifice....because death seems to be the biggest motivator in coming people the fuck down. Only after death do people really appreciate the value of life. How many lives have to be forfeit for this realization remains to be seen.When I look at this situation, that I am not apart of and can never truly comprehend. I don't see a peaceful resolution. How many times have they tried? It's getting to that point where blood has to be shade, massively. I doubt this is the case against a enemy who has used suicide bombers. in addition after the intifada there was a high civilian death rate on both sides and no gains, If this operation continues the death toll will be like cast led; very one sided. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On November 18 2012 17:50 KingAce wrote: People might not like to hear this but sometimes war is the only solution. I am not one so naive to believe a peaceful world can exist. Not really not ever. Peace, or some form of it is always within a limited time period. Usually, right after a war. Peace is achieved with human sacrifice....because death seems to be the biggest motivator in coming people the fuck down. Only after death do people really appreciate the value of life. How many lives have to be forfeit for this realization remains to be seen.When I look at this situation, that I am not apart of and can never truly comprehend. I don't see a peaceful resolution. How many times have they tried? It's getting to that point where blood has to be shade, massively. They have basically been at war since the inception of israel. Full scale war would be completely one sided and looked down on by the entire world. Killing the palestinians just makes the situation worse. It's pretty amazing how callous someone can be while living in their nice comfy home with no worries of war and constant death. It's stupid to say what you said. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On November 18 2012 17:48 Goozen wrote: No, they are not both equally as bad, Hamas aims at civilians and dosnt mind in the least when their own civilians die as its good PR and anyway they will get to heaven. Plenty times in this thread people have linked info and shown where Hamas fire from, keep their weapons and fire randomly in to population centers. If Israel were to fire a rockets randomly after each time it was hit then you could argue that they are equally as bad, Yes, you are equally bad. The retaliations of Israel are not exactly aimed at military targets, nor do you historically hold any moral highground considering how Israel practically invented terrorism themselves, assassinating amongst other an English diplomat in Egypt! And Israel, not Palestine, are the ones occupying illegally acquired land (as per the UN treaties) and are obstructing every single attempt by Palestine to get a platform on which to act politically thus making sure you can keep on oppressing the civilian population in Gaza. Sure you might not fire rockets at random, but you have done plenty of other stuff to warrant my statement. | ||
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TranceKuja
United States154 Posts
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
On November 18 2012 18:01 Ghostcom wrote: Yes, you are equally bad. The retaliations of Israel are not exactly aimed at military targets, nor do you historically hold any moral highground considering how Israel practically invented terrorism themselves, assassinating amongst other an English diplomat in Egypt! And Israel, not Palestine, are the ones occupying illegally acquired land (as per the UN treaties) and are obstructing every single attempt by Palestine to get a platform on which to act politically thus making sure you can keep on oppressing the civilian population in Gaza. Sure you might not fire rockets at random, but you have done plenty of other stuff to warrant my statement. Your opinion is 1 sided and has been discussed several times in this thread, However you have no problem to compare Israel to those who use suicide bombers, hide weapons in civilian ares, indoctrate for killing the all the enemy and pushing them in to the sea. You ignore that pre-second intifada the situation in gaza was much better. And the cheery on top is claiming that the targeting of a British official (not a civilian) over 60 years by a group that has not existed for just as long is akin and comparable to modern crimes. You are welcome to your opinion but clearly there is no point in my arguing with you as your mind is made up and nothing will change it. | ||
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