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GinDo
3327 Posts
On August 25 2012 06:24 yawnoC wrote: I really wish Smart AI firing wasn't in the game for some reason... So we can get 70dmg back plz! It makes me sad that 7 tanks can't 1 shot a Collosus. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
-) one of the two units in TvT around which you can build a strategy (the other one being the marine) -) basically being played in every TvZ -) not part of the standard TvP, but one of the main ingridients in one of the best TvP rushes (1-1-1) Seems like a unit that is being used a ton, but I'm sure it sucks pretty hard if you say so... \thread, this is nothing but a balance whine --> Designated Balance Discussion Thread | ||
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koppik
United States676 Posts
I miss the days of 60-damage siege tanks on Steppes of War. | ||
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SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
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pileopoop
Canada317 Posts
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Buchan
Canada184 Posts
On August 25 2012 06:32 Big J wrote: Yes tanks are good in TvT, yes tanks are good against zerg until late game, yes tanks are basically never used in TvP since no one 1-1-1's anymore. Hm... so tanks are: -) one of the two units in TvT around which you can build a strategy (the other one being the marine) -) basically being played in every TvZ -) not part of the standard TvP, but one of the main ingridients in one of the best TvP rushes (1-1-1) Seems like a unit that is being used a ton, but I'm sure it sucks pretty hard if you say so... \thread, this is nothing but a balance whine --> Designated Balance Discussion Thread My post has nothing to do with balance whining and I've said multiple times that I think the game is balanced well right now. | ||
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1st_Panzer_Div.
United States621 Posts
I will say they're not all that useful vs protoss, but there are even still Code S players that use them from time to time in PvT, and they are great in TvT and ZvT. Especially ZvT with proper focus firing, they just demonlish any mid-game aggression. Also props to Zandar for his re-writing of the OP with Hydras  | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 25 2012 06:36 Buchan wrote: Yes tanks are good in TvT, yes tanks are good against zerg until late game, yes tanks are basically never used in TvP since no one 1-1-1's anymore. My post has nothing to do with balance whining and I've said multiple times that I think the game is balanced well right now. well, if it is not about balance, then it is a design suggestion. Those belong to Designated Balance Discussion Thread Or do you want to just hear the reasons why some people think tanks are bad? (what they aren't. they are just not Broodwar "mass this unit to win" like) | ||
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NoGasfOu
United States1117 Posts
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Buchan
Canada184 Posts
On August 25 2012 06:37 Big J wrote: Do you even read your own post? "well, if it is not about balance [...] those belong to: Designated Balance Discussion Thread" well, if it is not about balance, then it is a design suggestion. Those belong to Designated Balance Discussion Thread Or do you want to just hear the reasons why some people think tanks are bad? what | ||
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 25 2012 06:39 Buchan wrote: Do you even read your own post? "well, if it is not about balance [...] those belong to: Designated Balance Discussion Thread" what Yeah, cutting the part that says why it should be there is really clever... lol. Design suggestions belong in the DBDT | ||
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Buchan
Canada184 Posts
On August 25 2012 06:41 Big J wrote: So the only threads allowed on the SC2 forum are drama threads? We're not allowed to actually talk about the game?Yeah, cutting the part that says why it should be there is really clever... lol. Design suggestions belong in the DBDT | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On August 25 2012 05:56 ShakAttaK wrote: They are better vs Armored , so the protoss making units that are beefy with shield ( zealots) to break the contain makes sense . Tanks shouldn't be able to smash everything but t3 ground units. Of course they should, that was what made them so fun in BW. A siege line was practically impossible to fight head on with any ground army, forcing players to get more creative in their engagements and abuse the near total immobility of tanks. If I siege up 15 tanks in a decent position, any trade should be horrifyingly cost-inefficient for whoever attacks into it. But every Protoss unit except sentries and stalkers is amazingly effective against tanks. | ||
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EggYsc2
620 Posts
then you must not be very good yourself. The game is balanced 98-99% and tanks are not part of the problem | ||
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Elvin
149 Posts
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On August 25 2012 06:43 Buchan wrote: So the only threads allowed on the SC2 forum are drama threads? We're not allowed to actually talk about the game? No people should discuss tactics, news, tournaments, or info about progamers. You've made a horrible OP that seems like whine to me. You say tanks are horrible in TvP yet Byun got far last GSL by using tank+marine against protoss. He kinda defeated himself against Seed by not controlling his army well enough. Also you suggest some changes but never go into details nor do you explain your points, i'm guessing this thread won't live long. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
blizzard doesn't understand good micro. see colossus, fungal, ff, battle hellion, warhound, tempest, etc. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
immobile army > mobile army in terms of cost efficiency In SC2 it's changed to micro-intensive, spell-caster intensive army > non-micro non-spellcaster army in terms of cost efficiency. Dustin Browder and David Kim have pretty much stated they want the latter to be the dominant philosophy for SC2. Their core belief is that audiences like to watch micro-intensive spell-caster intensive fights more than positional fights. Arguing otherwise with them is like arguing a evolution with a creationist--it's unproductive because their beliefs are built on not logic but faith. The only response we can really do would be to boycott purchases of HotS. Sad, but true. | ||
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Kanaz
Denmark658 Posts
For those who don't know what smart attack is, it's basicly the AI doing so they wont overkill on units, etc. 10 tanks shooting the same ling. That would require good tank lines, nicely spread out, and probably make it somehow usefull in TvP again. | ||
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