Gender Neutral Child revealed to male at age 5 - Page 2

On May 10 2012 06:22 Roe wrote:

What documentation is there to argue that gender identity is decided in the womb?

On May 10 2012 06:30 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
You can't really argue that they're making him too feminine or too masculine, that actually carries the assumption that certain clothes are masculine and others are feminine in the first place. You can't make someone gender neutral by restricting them from things that are considered gender specific because nothing is inherently gender specific (except chasity belts... maybe). So this entire experience is flawed from the start.

On May 10 2012 06:22 Roe wrote:

What documentation is there to argue that gender identity is decided in the womb?

All data suggests that gender problems originate in the womb. Small changes have been found in genes that involve the effect of hormones on the development of the brain, that increase the chance of transsexuality. Abnormal hormone levels of the child in the womb and medicine that disrupt the breakdown of sex hormones taken by the mother during pregnancy can increase the chance of transsexuality.
The sexual differentiation of our genitalia occurs in the first months of pregnancy and the sexual differentiation of the brain in the second half of pregnancy. As these two processes happen in different periods during pregnancy, the theory is that these processes have been influenced independently of eachother with transsexuality. If that is true we would expect MtF (Male to Female) transsexuals to have female structures in their brains and the other way around. In 1995 we have indeed found such a reversal of the gender difference in a small structure in the brains of deceased donors. We published that in Nature. This area was the Bed Nucleus of the Stria Terminalis (BST), a small brain structure that is involved in many aspects of sexual behaviour. The central part of this area, is twice as big for men and contains twice as many neurons. In MtF transsexuals we found a female Bed Nucleus. The few FtM transsexuals we could study did indeed have a male Bed Nucleus. We could as such rule out that the reversal of the gender difference in transsexuals has been caused by changing hormone levels in adulthood. The reversal has to have happened during development of the brain.

On May 10 2012 06:34 neo_sporin wrote:


I have to agree with this. I would highly doubt that it is "well documented" that it is decided in the womb. I wouldnt be surprised if it was, however I would be very interested in an experiment proving gender identity is decided that early.

Note for the uninformed--gender identity is how one perceives themselves to be as opposed to how they are physically. IE generally mentioned when discussing transgenders as their physical body does not match their own perception of what they believe themselves to be

On May 10 2012 06:38 ArchAngelSC wrote:

So you're saying that a pink, girls swimsuit, is NOT feminine and/or gender specific?

On May 10 2012 06:46 ampson wrote:
Sucks for the kid. He's gonna have a tough time in society.

On May 10 2012 06:50 Kurr wrote:


Yep. Psycho parents forcing their kid into awkward situation. Unlucky child is all I can say.

The parents are the people responsible for forming their child, especially in their early years. You don't need to make your child into a super-masculine boy, just raise him normally and it will be fine if you're responsible. But nope, want to prove a pointless point so let's fuck up the kid's life!

This child will have a messed up identity and they are even forcing him to wear a girl's blouse at school. For fucks sake, how could they possibly think this is a good idea?

Stories like this piss me off. Do you think the child would willingly outcast himself if he was old enough to understand everything going on? Of course not. When he's a teenager, he will be desperate to fit in like all teenagers, but he will be a ways behind because of his crazy parents. Kids are vicious, they will judge him permanently on this stuff.

On May 10 2012 06:44 Slayer91 wrote:


Pink used to be a male colour, blue for girls (not that colours need to have gender association) and there's nothing really wrong with a girls swimsuit if you don't associate it with girls.

On May 10 2012 06:55 Sprungjeezy wrote:


What? As far as I can remember blue has ALWAYS been associated with baby boys and pink baby girls.

On May 10 2012 06:55 Sprungjeezy wrote:


What? As far as I can remember blue has ALWAYS been associated with baby boys and pink baby girls. As for the "experiment" (which in itself is disgusting, experimenting with your child's life, who depends on you for protection) having male clothes and female clothes in itself is limiting him to choosing one or the other, if they really wanted to give the opportunity for gender neutral, they ought to have ever type of clothing one could ask for so he can make his own decision. Instead they give him either girl or boy clothes.

I personally think the idea of experimenting with your own child in such a way that could easily remove him from a normal (or even tolerable) life revolting as bullying seems to only getting worse and I'll be the first to say that it is not my decision, but it should NOT be these parents' decision either.