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Thrasymachus725
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada527 Posts
May 09 2012 21:08 GMT
#1
http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/couple-finally-reveals-childs-gender-five-years-birth-180300388.html?fb_action_ids=10150793023556892&fb_action_types=news.reads&fb_ref=type:read,user:xIOJasG1KF6D1dHLUwU5gZMFnsw&fb_source=other_multiline&code=AQDWIHqVQbgAmWsU2xyAzzmp1NbRnnLt-O3zwviq_Ip1D-eVtFw1oPL-ekmTECZ484N2K7eTWMvc5PGZkrJR7DMuV_Gwq5Xwj7nEZui4iy_TLP8zPigIHxz2oj-aNMQTk9l78svWwaZZjeH9GaWII_N9w9VCofYqk65_db36oUYQSCl-xGv8oddlVMg1gVVcp18#_=_

Dunno if the link works... but here is the text:


It's a boy! And he's five. Beck Laxton, 46, and partner Kieran Cooper, 44, have spent half the decade concealing the gender of their son, Sasha.

"I wanted to avoid all that stereotyping," Laxton said in an interview with the Cambridge News. "Stereotypes seem fundamentally stupid. Why would you want to slot people into boxes?"

Laxton, a UK-based web editor, and her partner, Cooper, decided to keep Sasha's sex a secret when he was still in the womb. The birth announcement stated the gender-neutral name of their child, but skipped the big reveal. Up until recently, the couple only told a few close friends and family members that Sasha was a boy and managed to keep the rest of the world in the dark. But now that he's starting school the secret's out.

For years, Becks has been referring to her child, the youngest of three, as "the infant" on her personal blog. But guarding the public from her son's gender was only part of her quest to let her kid just be a kid.

Sasha dresses in clothes he likes -- be it a hand-me-downs from his sister or his brother. The big no-no's are hyper-masculine outfits like skull-print shirts and cargo pants. In one photo, sent to friends and family, Sasha's dressed in a shiny pink girl's swimsuit. "Children like sparkly things," says Beck. "And if someone thought Sasha was a girl because he was wearing a pink swimming costume, then what effect would that have? "

Sasha's also not short on dolls, though Barbie is also off limits. "She's banned because she's horrible," Laxton says in the Cambridge interview.

On a macro level she hopes her son sets an example for other parents and makes them reconsider buying their own sons trucks or forcing their daughters into tights. She's seen how those consumer trappings affect how and who kids play with in the sandbox.


But the sandbox is just a precursor to the classroom. When Sasha turned five and headed to school, Laxton was forced to make her son's sex public. That meant Sasha would have to get used to being a boy in the eyes of his peers. Still, his mom is intervening. While the school requires different uniforms for boys and girls, Sasha wears a girl's blouse with his pants.

"I don't think I'd do it if I thought it was going to make him unhappy, but at the moment he's not really bothered either way. We haven't had any difficult scenarios yet."

Last year another couple, Kathy Witterick, 38, and David Stocker, 39, of Toronto made a similar decision when they had their baby, Storm. At the time, certain psychiatric experts voiced concern over their decision. "To have a sense of self and personal identity is a critical part of normal healthy development," Dr. Eugene Beresin, director of training in child and adolescent psychiatry at Massachusetts General Hospital, told ABC News. "This blocks that and sets the child up for bullying, scapegoating and marginalization."

But as parents well know, bullying is hard for any child to avoid. It's more important to raise someone who's confident enough in himself to overcome peer pressure. It's also important to have his parents have his back (remember the mom who defended her son's choice in a Halloween costume?) Maybe Sasha's early years will be character building, maybe he'll have a higher emotional quotient being raised with dual perspectives on gender. Or the reverse could be true: Sasha may have less of a formed identity because of his upbringing, and feel angry at his mom for dressing him in flowery shirts and telling the world about it. Then again, maybe he'll get over it.

As for Laxton, she says she's open to her son pursing any career or sexual preference he chooses as he matures. "As long as he has good relationships and good friends," she says, "then nothing else matters, does it?"



It seems this gender neutral children experiment is getting more popular. I dont think anyone thought there would be problems before school age,
I think this is a pretty bad experiment that will end poorly.
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The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
May 09 2012 21:14 GMT
#2
The whole idea was weird and to be honest I suspect the kids parents are deeply, deeply tiresome people.
Yeah you wanna avoid stereotypes shaping who your child becomes, want him to just be a kid? I mean, there's no way going 'Hey! Hey everybody! My kid is gender neutral! I'm not telling you if it's a boy or a girl! Hey! Hey look how fucking open minded we are!' is gonna affect the child's upbringing.
Nope. Definitely not.
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
May 09 2012 21:14 GMT
#3
Sasha dresses in clothes he likes -- be it a hand-me-downs from his sister or his brother. The big no-no's are hyper-masculine outfits like skull-print shirts and cargo pants. In one photo, sent to friends and family, Sasha's dressed in a shiny pink girl's swimsuit. "Children like sparkly things," says Beck. "And if someone thought Sasha was a girl because he was wearing a pink swimming costume, then what effect would that have? "

Well ok, then.... Might be me, but something seems off here.
DisOriental
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada89 Posts
May 09 2012 21:14 GMT
#4
It will really depend on how far into his school years this will go... There's a difference between what a child in kindergarten will do/say vs someone approaching middle school. At the same time, I've noticed that my niece (five) blatantly ignores children she doesn't connect with and outright refuses to play/do anything with them.
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Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
May 09 2012 21:15 GMT
#5
"To have a sense of self and personal identity is a critical part of normal healthy development,"
Too many people believe that gender/sex are the same as personal identity. There's so much more to a person.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
May 09 2012 21:17 GMT
#6
This seems like a plan with good intentions that will end up causing a great deal of unnecessary confusion for children raised this way. It just seems like a such a strange idea.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22284 Posts
May 09 2012 21:18 GMT
#7
The experiment will stop in school when the peers exercise greater influence than the parents. If it doesn't adapt cause the parents taught him so, the child will have an adaptation problem.
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2111 Posts
May 09 2012 21:19 GMT
#8
I think breaking down gender stereotypes is a good thing, and starting a public dialogue about gender is a good thing, I'm just not entirely set on the actions of the parents.
In a way, I'm torn, part of me thinks they should just stick with the status quo, but another part of me recognises that maintaining the status quo is much a decision as allowing your child to be gender neutral'
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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
May 09 2012 21:19 GMT
#9
It has been well documented that gender identity is by far and large decided in the womb.

However, I don't see how this 'experiment' is to the benefit of the child. From 2-6 children develop a lot of their brains, which will basically establish their character for the rest of their lives. I hope the child doesn't experience any adverse effects later in life.
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Chocobo
Profile Joined November 2006
United States1108 Posts
May 09 2012 21:19 GMT
#10
This is completely fine and not a big deal at all. Let little kids dress and act however they want, it absolutely does not matter. The parents are a bit weird for making such a big deal out of it... there are many other parents who also raise their kids without gender specific dress or expectations.

However, I take issue with this-

While the school requires different uniforms for boys and girls, Sasha wears a girl's blouse with his pants.


This is an act of specifically excluding your child from the normal patterns that are followed by everyone else. This is a harmful act towards your child that will potentially exclude him from social groups.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-09 21:24:55
May 09 2012 21:19 GMT
#11
So he can pick what he likes to wear and play with so long as it's not too "boyish" or "girlish". It's like hipsters are having children or something.

It just seems like they are so content to have a child raised without bias that they put the biases of themselves on the child in some convoluted manner to make themselves feel better. If the child was like somehow really into a barbie(oh how horrid!) or shirt with a toy truck on it would it really be so bad? I don't get it.
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Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
May 09 2012 21:22 GMT
#12
On May 10 2012 06:19 Doctorbeat wrote:
It has been well documented that gender identity is by far and large decided in the womb.

However, I don't see how this 'experiment' is to the benefit of the child. From 2-6 children develop a lot of their brains, which will basically establish their character for the rest of their lives. I hope the child doesn't experience any adverse effects later in life.

What documentation is there to argue that gender identity is decided in the womb?
Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
May 09 2012 21:24 GMT
#13
I like the idea.... god awful execution.

She (the parent) should have never revealed the gender (if at all possible), just to see how long it would really last.

Because now that we know it's a boy, what she did the past 5 years is COMPLETELY fucking irrelevant.

Plus, the kid NEVER will know about stereotypes until he's our age... think about it.....
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albis
Profile Joined January 2010
United States652 Posts
May 09 2012 21:24 GMT
#14
its just another set back the kids going to have to overcome to be accepted.
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Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2111 Posts
May 09 2012 21:25 GMT
#15
a little proviso for this thread:
Simplified somewhat,
Sex: biological
Gender: a social construct
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Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
May 09 2012 21:25 GMT
#16
So how are skull shirts and cargo pants too boyish, but pink swimsuits aren't too girlish. The parents aren't teaching the kid to be gender neutral; rather, they are teaching him to be feminine.
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
May 09 2012 21:25 GMT
#17
On May 10 2012 06:19 Parnage wrote:
So he can pick what he likes to wear and play with so long as it's not too "boyish" or "girlish". It's like hipsters are having children or something.

It just seems like they are so content to have a child raised without bias that they put the biases of themselves on the child in some convoluted manner to make themselves feel better. If the child was like somehow really into a barbie(oh how horrid!) or shirt with a toy truck on it would it really be so bad? I don't get it.

No, the street just goes one way. It can be as girly as he wants, but it can't be too boyish.
ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
May 09 2012 21:25 GMT
#18
This won't last long. The kid will cry his way home one day when kids star making fun of him for wearing a dress and his parents will over compensate by forcing him to continue. Overcompensation is inevitable if the parents want to continue, and if the parents want to stop then this "experiment" would be totally pointless in the long run.
iloveAthene
Profile Joined June 2011
186 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-09 21:28:47
May 09 2012 21:27 GMT
#19
cargo pants are hyper masculine?

edit: yeah so stupid, hyper masculine is bad but hyper feminine (pink swimsuit) is fine
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
May 09 2012 21:27 GMT
#20
Why is this a thread? Hell, why is this a news article on Yahoo! Oh, wait.

I remember this couple. They had another kid back then who they did the same thing to - even child psychologists were saying it's not natural. I won't even bother arguing why this is wrong, because I'm pretty sure everyone here thinks it's off. It's not cool, it's not chic. It gets attention though - and that's exactly what they're after: attention. 15 minutes given, bye bye now.
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