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PeachTea
United States149 Posts
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Barteh
Netherlands108 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:32 Fueled wrote: Its good that Destiny raised the money, but people have to stop using this as an excuse. Raising X amount of dollars does not give you a free ticket to call anyone racial/ethnic slurs. An excuse? Nowhere in my post do I mention anything about excusing him because he did something that was good. I just pointed out that there is absolutely no reason to call him say, a "worthless racist", and that the majority of hate towards him is merely blind. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:33 Southlight wrote: I know some people whom are mentally retarded. How many years until society finally decides that insulting peoples' medical conditions is no lighter than insulting their race or sexual orientation? Why are you arbitrarily deciding that medical conditions are acceptable? When did I say that the word "retarded" was acceptable? I was trying to point out that Alkajak's post was dumb because there was nothing "incriminating" in any of the links that we "removed." For the record, by the way, no links were removed by TL staff. | ||
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SedativeDev
Slovenia316 Posts
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Myrkskog
Canada481 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:27 Falling wrote: I recognize that, but I find the entire notion appalling. An insincere apology would be fake, which I presume is what Destiny meant on one of his reddit posts. (That he wouldn't apologize because that would be fake.) But apologies are not inherently fake. I have no idea what you are talking about. I was just saying that I thought it was dumb that he apologized for using the word retarded. Where is this fakeness part coming from? | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:05 ch33psh33p wrote: Look at what happened. This has nothing to with mainstream sports. Razer was going to put Quantic in an unfavorable situation thanks to what happened, and Destiny took the bullet for them. I don't know what you're referring to by completely wrong, but all I did was state the situation as it happened. Stop defending Destinys actions. Destiny didn't take any bullet for quantic because he's the sole reason why the "gun" was shot in the first place. We also don't know if his statement is 100% fact either. So until Quantic releases an actual statement on the situation I can't say I completely agree with his post. Also, Destiny is quite immature for his age and really needs to grow up considering that he's a popular figure and his stream is accessible by anyone in the world. | ||
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TiDragOnflY
Netherlands130 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:34 FairForever wrote: I'm pretty sure most of us have not used racist language, even if some of us are bad mannered on BNet. It's completely unacceptable. And it's also criminal in some areas. John Terry the soccer player was recently charged with a criminal offense for the same reason. There's a reason why it's criminal, it's hurtful and demeaning to others. -----Why dont you sum up 50 more people that recently got charged with criminal offenses ? Ow yea i forgot this is totaly NOT related to Destiny what so ever. | ||
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Deleted User 124618
1142 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:36 SedativeDev wrote: This community (SC2) is getting more and more purist. It's ridiculous. I guess it's only a matter of time before Idra is kicked out of EG for unprofessional behavior. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
I never watch Destiny's stream but this is just retarded. A huge reason why racism actually still exists in the western world (there are exceptions obv) is because people for some reason still get offended by it, because they like being offended and angry. Fkin pathetic, when everything is going well, we just begin to destroy our own community. @ the people that message sponsors and stuff about this, with all my heart, u are retarded. Think for 2 seconds about what u did  | ||
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NeWeNiyaLord
Norway2474 Posts
I actually liked quantic more for tolerating stuff like this abit better then most teams. But every team has it's limit I guess. Anyway, good luck in the future Destiny! Hope you get more viewers of all this and it all works out for the best. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:37 TiDragOnflY wrote: -----Why dont you sum up 50 more people that recently got charged with criminal offenses ? Ow yea i forgot this is totaly NOT related to Destiny what so ever. It's related to the fact that racist language isn't acceptable anywhere. The outrage online mirrors the outrage that would be shown in the real world. | ||
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drop271
New Zealand286 Posts
Correct me if I am wrong, but Destiny and his fans, the bastions of free speech, are getting annoyed about other people using their free speech to contact sponsors. WHAT THE FUCK. Destiny has offended toooooooooooooooons of people with his language. Personally, it doesn't offend me, but thats beside the point. The reason it is called 'offensive' is because people don't like it. Sponsors don't care unless they are made to have a conscience by public opinon, at which point of course they do care. Honestly Destiny - live by the sword, die by the sword And Quantic, if they were hurt by this, then maybe do a bit more background research about who you associate with rather than blindly chasing someone popular in order to boost your brand. | ||
monk
United States8476 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:33 Southlight wrote: I know some people whom are mentally retarded. How many years until society finally decides that insulting peoples' medical conditions is no lighter than insulting their race or sexual orientation? Why are you arbitrarily deciding that medical conditions are acceptable? I've already said my thoughts on this and I don't think "retard" should be used offensively, but there's no rule against using "retard" in the manner I did, especially in a private message. | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
It really makes me sad. As I said, I've worked hard for esports. I was one of the first officers of Tespa. I worked in the weeks leading to the first two tournaments so hard that I nearly flunked out of school. I worked during these tournaments so hard that I was sick for a week afterwards. I ran between buildings, dealt with players, and otherwise exhausted myself to the point my immune system shut down. I then parted with Tespa because I suffer from clinical depression and was in such a bad place I nearly left school. More than that, I nearly took my own life. I wasn't any good to the organization. I came back later and helped with the lone star clash. I again worked so hard I was sick the following week. I love Esports. I wanted it to succeed. After seeing people supporting the use of racial slurs, and particularly offensive to me, the word "faggot," I'm not so sure anymore. This community hates so many people that I love. I'm not sure I want them to be acceptable. That means their hatred becomes acceptable. NB: I am no longer connected to Tespa, these are my personal opinons and do not reflect the opinions of tespa. I want to expand upon this. I really do care for Esports. It's given me a lot of joy. Sadly, its myopic acceptance of hate speech is unacceptable to me. I've grew up in around a lot of gay people. Neighbors, my best friends parents, teachers. These are people that have made my life better. As I said above, I suffer from depression. Its sever, I'm barely functional at times. I struggle every single day, and when someone sullies something I love (esports) by insulting, belittling, and dehumanizing the people who have made my life tolerable it infuriates me. More than that, it drains my passion. I've pretty much stopped caring. I'm embarrassed to be associated with esports at this point. Leading up to the lone star clash I had a friend, who knows nothing about starcraft, ask me about the misogynist my organization was flying to campus. That shit hurts. That shit actually is killing esports. | ||
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TiDragOnflY
Netherlands130 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:38 FairForever wrote: It's related to the fact that racist language isn't acceptable anywhere. The outrage online mirrors the outrage that would be shown in the real world. There are tons of comedy shows that use ''Rasist slurs/language'' for jokes and people are entertained by them. Are you telling me that that is not acceptable? | ||
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acerockolla
United States219 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:32 TiDragOnflY wrote: Hello everyone my name is david and i am from the netherlands. I would like to give my opinion about this matter because i am confused about the behaviour of several people in this community. I honestly believe that most people in this community are intelligent, social and understanding human beings. That being said, I fail to understand why people that dont even care about the whole rasicm matter are still die-hard trying to get Destiny removed from TL+his team and make him loose his income just because you dont get enough attention or just hate Destiny as a person. My question for you all is how many times have you said that to someone? online or in real life. i sure know i have called alot of people a lot of names.Does that make me 'cool' or a good/better person of course not but almost everbody does it and the point i am trying to make here is this ''He without sins trow the first rock'. If you see your friend saying faggot to somebody would you go and call their boss? to get them fired for racism? I doubt you would. And if you say well Destiny is not a friend of mine then my question for you is: Dont you believe all humans are equal? Treat everyone the way you would like them to Treat you? So guys in general if you do not like something then for the love of starcraft please do not watch it or comment on it. I mean why even bother if you dont like the player/caster just mute/ignore/avoid them. you dont have to listen to someone. and also you know who Destiny is by now and you know how he talks/typs and please dont say well maybe these people have not yet seen what Destiny is all about because I fail to believe such a thing. I cannot comprehend that so many people that watched Destiny for the first time would comment on this. Anyways this is something i wanted to get off my chest for a long time and i would like to thank everyone that took the time reading this. Kind regards, `David` Hello, David. You bring up very good points. This happens to be a problem with the internet in general. Most people complaining would never dare say anything in real life. The internet gives people a sense of power that they love to abuse, whether through trolling, complaining to sponsors, feigning outrage, or whatever. I agree that not everything needs to be confronted or talked about. If people were sane and smart enough to just ignore things they did not like (I'm talking about inconsequential stuff, not the freaking holocaust), the world would be a utopia. T__T | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:36 SedativeDev wrote: This community (SC2) is getting more and more purist. It's ridiculous. No Sir. It's actually becoming more professional by getting rid of the immature people who don't seem to have self control nor respect for the viewers. | ||
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adrenaLinG
Canada676 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:31 TheDraken wrote: there seems to be this movement to go back to the "true" meaning of an insult, and i don't really understand why people are doing it. and excellent example is the word fag. it recently wasn't such an insulting word. you'd call someone being a moron a fag or a faggot and they wouldn't get much offended over it. but now we have people going around trying to get people to stop it just because the origin of the word is associated with burning gays. now people flip shit when you say fag out in public simply because some people chose to make it an issue. the word retarded. as you've seen in this thread people are shitting themselves over a mod saying it. i've seen shirts with people trying to "spread the word to end the word". it's like everyone has some fucking oppressed group they represent and they're trying to get the world to tiptoe around offending them. you mentioned the word nigger. i don't think you realize people use the word as a catch-all insult similar to "fucker" or "faggot". within communities like destiny's, the word barely has a racial connotation. but then overly sensitive wimps will bust down the community from the outside just because they want to tie the word back to racism. it's fucking stupid. trying to censor the world doesn't do anything. it only creates these "big bad words" that everyone knows but is forbidden to use. just get some thicker skin, let the insults flow freely, and over time this kind of shit won't get so offensive. Let the insults flow freely? Yes, because a society where our leaders and professionals can call each other things like nigger or faggot or gook is definitely civilized and progressive! Let's also ignore the fact that there just seem to be no good insults for white, heterosexual male nerds, Destiny's lifeline of streamwatchers. ! On May 04 2012 17:33 Ferrex wrote: You guys make me pretty fucking sad, I bet you're all really proud of doing shit like this. I fucking hate this community. You're welcome to leave, close the door on the way out. | ||
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Southlight
United States11761 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:36 motbob wrote: When did I say that the word "retarded" was acceptable? I was trying to point out that Alkajak's post was dumb because there was nothing "incriminating" in any of the links that we "removed." For the record, by the way, no links were removed by TL staff. You implied that using the word "retarded" does not break the rules, which means it's deemed acceptable. Earlier you (or a different mod) flat-out stated that calling someone "retarded" was completely different than calling someone a "gook," because the latter was an insult hurled at an ethnicity. I am saying that is an incredibly ignorant and hypocritical statement. I actually looked back and I believe it was Zelniq, although he conveniently edited his post. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:39 TiDragOnflY wrote: There are tons of comedy shows that use ''Rasist slurs/language'' for jokes and people are entertained by them. Are you telling me that that is not acceptable? Show me a caucasian comedian that uses the n-word on television and I'll show you a comedian without a job. Personally I think it's unacceptable for African Americans to use that language too but apparently it's not a big deal. | ||
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