EPTIt's a pretty anti-Destiny thing to do censoring himself, but if he wants to continue getting stream revenue from random TL viewers he's going to have to conform. I'm sure he's realized this by now.
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
It's a pretty anti-Destiny thing to do censoring himself, but if he wants to continue getting stream revenue from random TL viewers he's going to have to conform. I'm sure he's realized this by now. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:31 KaiserJohan wrote: To begin with, atleast. Then we need to pick another player every week to sacrifice to satisfy the community drama lust. It's looks better to hide it behind the self-righteous white-knight facade, though. Why is it bad to weed all players that are racists when they're on a team ? How is it self-righteous to want someone like Destiny who is stupid enough to insult publicly on his twitter account/here on tl/on reddit/even on his departure's pr ? It's not like it was a one time thing. And please everyone, stop with this 'community is hurting esport' or just even with 'esport', this is boring. | ||
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Boiler Bandsman
United States391 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:38 FairForever wrote: It's related to the fact that racist language isn't acceptable anywhere. The outrage online mirrors the outrage that would be shown in the real world. Leaving out the Destiny part, the fact that you seem to be okay with actual speech being outright criminalized is chilling, to say the least. You can make a case for professional obligations, etc applying in the private/business world, but the government has no business determining what speech is "permissible" or "has value". The proper answer for speech you dislike is NOT silencing it. It is for you to respond with speech of your own. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:33 Southlight wrote: I know some people whom are mentally retarded. How many years until society finally decides that insulting peoples' medical conditions is no lighter than insulting their race or sexual orientation? Why are you arbitrarily deciding that medical conditions are acceptable? There have been lengthy discussions internally on whether we moderate against language, and the response each time has come that the majority say no. A user can say retarded, shit, raped etc. given it is in a context which isn't designed to cause offense to the particular group. Of course, we discourage the usage of such language and will warn/moderate against people who use it excessively, but we are perfectly okay with one offs. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:40 BlazeFury01 wrote: No Sir. It's actually becoming more professional by getting rid of the immature people who don't seem to have self control nor respect for the viewers. just get out. Never forget the fact that we are still playing a fkin videogame on the internet in the western world. It is NEVER gonna be professional and it shouldn't be, because professional is fkin boring. What huge sport is 'professional'? | ||
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ElxGuapo
United States7 Posts
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:42 Boiler Bandsman wrote: Leaving out the Destiny part, the fact that you seem to be okay with actual speech being outright criminalized is chilling, to say the least. You can make a case for professional obligations, etc applying in the private/business world, but the government has no business determining what speech is "permissible" or "has value". The proper answer for speech you dislike is NOT silencing it. It is for you to respond with speech of your own. I don't even know how to respond to this. Racist language is illegal in many parts of the world. I'm just stating a fact. You can take your outdated views that racist language and hate speech is okay and go elsewhere. | ||
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Callistodusk
United States56 Posts
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Myrkskog
Canada481 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:41 FairForever wrote: Show me a caucasian comedian that uses the n-word on television and I'll show you a comedian without a job. Personally I think it's unacceptable for African Americans to use that language too but apparently it's not a big deal. Obligatory | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:31 TheDraken wrote: there seems to be this movement to go back to the "true" meaning of an insult, and i don't really understand why people are doing it. and excellent example is the word fag. it recently wasn't such an insulting word. you'd call someone being a moron a fag or a faggot and they wouldn't get much offended over it. but now we have people going around trying to get people to stop it just because the origin of the word is associated with burning gays. now people flip shit when you say fag out in public simply because some people chose to make it an issue. the word retarded. as you've seen in this thread people are shitting themselves over a mod saying it. i've seen shirts with people trying to "spread the word to end the word". it's like everyone has some fucking oppressed group they represent and they're trying to get the world to tiptoe around offending them. you mentioned the word nigger. i don't think you realize people use the word as a catch-all insult similar to "fucker" or "faggot". within communities like destiny's, the word barely has a racial connotation. but then overly sensitive wimps will bust down the community from the outside just because they want to tie the word back to racism. it's fucking stupid. trying to censor the world doesn't do anything. it only creates these "big bad words" that everyone knows but is forbidden to use. just get some thicker skin, let the insults flow freely, and over time this kind of shit won't get so offensive. Except they aren't trying to stop the use of it because of its origin, its because people continue to use it in a derogatory fashion towards gay people. Yeah, people use it as a general insult as well, along with "nigger". But how does that make it any better? Does that change the fact that they have been used to put down a certain people for years? Nope. You can't just say "oh in this community nigger isn't actually used in a racist way, we just use it to put everyone down." Well why the hell don't you just say the word "wheel" instead of nigger? Just go and call each other wheels cause in this community a wheel isn't a disk. You know why they say nigger instead of wheel? Because nigger has that insulting meaning behind it while wheel doesnt. People say oh just ignore the word and it will go away. Why not just stop using the word? No good reason to use it and it goes away. Using these words doesn't do anything. Stop using them and people wont get offended. | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:42 Plexa wrote: There have been lengthy discussions internally on whether we moderate against language, and the response each time has come that the majority say no. A user can say retarded, shit, raped etc. given it is in a context which isn't designed to cause offense to the particular group. Of course, we discourage the usage of such language and will warn/moderate against people who use it excessively, but we are perfectly okay with one offs. I see. I'm assuming much of this hubbub is over different things then (haven't followed at all and it's not made clear what TL the site's beef with this thing was). I just took issue with a mod blatantly saying that it was different than calling someone a gook, is all. Thanks for the clarification  | ||
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ReturnStroke
United States801 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:29 adrenaLinG wrote: No one cares, nor does it matter, if you are an "actual racist" or a "fake racist" when you are using racist language. It matters. I'd call him insensitive, but I won't lie about him because "racist" is a more convenient word. | ||
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TiDragOnflY
Netherlands130 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:41 FairForever wrote: Show me a caucasian comedian that uses the n-word on television and I'll show you a comedian without a job. Personally I think it's unacceptable for African Americans to use that language too but apparently it's not a big deal. but please watch with caution i do not want to get hunted down. | ||
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:34 FairForever wrote: I'm pretty sure most of us have not used racist language, even if some of us are bad mannered on BNet. It's completely unacceptable. And it's also criminal in some areas. John Terry the soccer player was recently charged with a criminal offense for the same reason. There's a reason why it's criminal, it's hurtful and demeaning to others. the point is it doesn't HAVE to be offensive. for fucks sake the word "guy" used to be an offensive word. are you offended now when someone calls you a guy? no, because everyone got off their shitty high horse and realized words are just words. if a person genuinely becomes hurt, offended, demeaned, and insulted by a word someone says, then that person needs to get a grip or deal with their insecurities. the world should not have to silence itself to pamper overly sensitive people. | ||
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acerockolla
United States219 Posts
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
This context is slightly different than using the word as a reference to an African American. I think the meaning of my point was understood. | ||
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Boiler Bandsman
United States391 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:41 FairForever wrote: Show me a caucasian comedian that uses the n-word on television and I'll show you a comedian without a job. Personally I think it's unacceptable for African Americans to use that language too but apparently it's not a big deal Maybe I can't show you that, but I can definitely show you black comedians using the word "cracker". Do tell why that's not a source of outrage. | ||
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dave_
Germany15 Posts
another prove how this community is full of fucking cry babys "i am 15 years old and have nothing else to do than poop, eat, sleep, repeat, i saw that destiny insulted someone, now i write to all his sponsors and hope he gets punished for it instead of just not watching his stream anymore, i am a good boy, said mommy" User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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adrenaLinG
Canada676 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:42 Jakkerr wrote: just get out. Never forget the fact that we are still playing a fkin videogame on the internet in the western world. It is NEVER gonna be professional and it shouldn't be, because professional is fkin boring. What huge sport is 'professional'? Yeah let's go back to watching starcraft games on ustream because evidently, no one would ever want professional productions like TSL or IPL or GSL. Boring! | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
See, the thing about free speech, is that you can say whatever you want, but there's no point complaining if people around you don't want to hear it and feel it justified in punishing you for it. | ||
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