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Were there not matchups in Brood War that required you to do damage or face being overrun? A sudden switch to carriers would destroy a Terran, yet we never hear complaints of that.
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On May 09 2012 13:48 Fencer710 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 13:38 tdt wrote:
I play protoss and think EMP nerf was disaterous and tanks need to do about 70 damage per shot. Also ghost snipe was only effective way to deal with zergs late game another bad nerf.
These three things would make terran enter late game on equal footing.
My specail wish would give thors irradate instead of strike cannon frying charglots, zerlings and most importantly BROODLINGS in immidiate vincinity making pure mech viable. You can still deal with late-game through multitasking. 2-4 drops out on the map at a time in TvZ sniping expansions to keep him from having the money to re-max instantly is a pretty good way to keep the Zerg on the back foot even if you aren't straight-up attacking, and a Thor/Tank force with a little bit of Marine/Medivac to kill Zerglings is actually a pretty good composition in a straight-up fight against Broodlord/Infestor if you have a good concave, and also pretty good against ultra/ling/infestor. I agree with 70 damage per shot, but only against shields. The real problem is all the abilities of the Protoss: They circumvent cliffs extremely easily (Blinkstalkers, Colossus, Warp prisms with Warpgates), are extremely good in direct engagements (Chargelots, Colossus, Immortals), and Mech is generally just weaker in TvP compared to BW. (No good mineral dump: Hellions are complete crap against everything but chargelots, and even then are mediocre and die faster than stimmed marines since there's no way to safely heal them.)
Yeah that's probably better just 70 dmg to sheilds that way it doesnt upset tvz. and makes mech viable and late game more equal. But needs to be reserced at fussion core so 1/1/1 isnt auto win.
I hate MMM every game all the time. Really mech should be most powerful option and anything short of 200 supply of BCs (impossible) just gets wrecked. Anyway instead of nerfs buffing mech is the way to go.
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On May 09 2012 11:02 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 10:46 HolyArrow wrote:On May 09 2012 10:15 xrapture wrote:On May 09 2012 08:43 HolyArrow wrote:On May 09 2012 06:42 EmilA wrote:
Whenever I lose to protoss I begin spamming when the various GoT characters die in the books. Blizzard's stance on balance is outright retarded and I doubt SC2 will ever take off in Korea as long as you can't have drawn out macro games going either way. You are a terrible person and you should feel terrible. No, really. I'm completely serious. This doesn't even have anything to do with balance or anything SC2 related. Who does that? Fucking get your worthless ego together and get over yourself. Jesus christ. IMO spoiling a story for someone is one of the absolute lowest things you can do, because it's irreversible. My philosophy is that fiction is one of the beautiful things we can cherish as humans, and experiencing any great work of fiction is a truly unique life experience. I fall and scrape my knee, it heals. If I get a great story spoiled, it's never going to be the same (unless I literally wait years and years until I - hopefully - completely forget everything, which is extremely infeasible). Seriously, if you actually do that, then fuck you. or you could, you know, actually read the books? but ha, readings too hard, right? ... Are you serious? Has the possibly that someone could be in the process of reading the books crossed your mind? That's such a stupid point that I don't even really know what else to say. If someone goes as far as maliciously spoiling an entire series of good books just because his opponent plays a certain race, then that person has problems. This all seems so evident to me that I don't really know what to say. that is messed up here's a little something for everyone to practice on the ladder you: gl hf opponent: something remotely douchy f11 - click
Dear god thank you so much! I never knew...
Edit: And because I am here I will ask why Terrans don't try adding in mass Banshees to their mech builds more often? I got rolled by this Terran earlier today who I thought I had a clear economic advantage over for quiet a long period in the game.
I expanded before him and kept him from expanding with my warpgate units for a few minutes, took my 3rd before him and had 0-2-0 Colossus Chargelot and Stalkers + Started adding Phoenix and Voids once I saw he was massing Banshee (probably had 3-4 Phoenix and 1-2 Voids when he pushed me). Anyways he pretty much went strictly Marine/Thor/Banshee, pushed only once late in the game with some scvs to repair and just destroyed me.
Banshees have always been hard to deal with from a Toss perspective. And masses of them take down stalkers pretty damn fast.
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Northern Ireland26255 Posts
On May 09 2012 13:49 Shrewmy wrote:
Were there not matchups in Brood War that required you to do damage or face being overrun? A sudden switch to carriers would destroy a Terran, yet we never hear complaints of that.
Those matchups exist in SC2 as well. Try to play a PvZ or a TvZ without exerting any kind of pressure against a competent Zerg and tell me how that goes.
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The thing is we can't engage protoss ball. This is the fact we have to accept. It has been like this since scbw. Any army that got in the direct engagment will get stromed to died. This doesn't mean protoss is op. Terran and zerg found a way around that in sc1, we will have to find it in sc2 too. I am not worry too much because we still have 2 expansion to come. There will definitly be a lot of possibilty for terran lategame in the future.
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@tdt
That I agree with. Builds and styles being weak lategame (or, alternatively, stupidly execution-heavy) is fine and all (how many complain about having to transition out of muta/ling? No one, because there's a choice. You turn on MMA mode and multitask like a god or just go for a more lategame-oriented comp), but in a game with as few factions as this, one of them being a dog late game is unacceptable. In fighters, for example, it's okay for a character to be execution heavy, because there's an absurd number of others to choose from. In a game with a measly three factions, not so much. Bio is in a good place though, I'd just wish mech was more viable. Fusing, say, vehicle and air armor might be an idea.
I also wonder if the lategame were okay without insane chargelot warpins, but that's another matter entirely (I just despise warpgates/FF designwise, love the rest of toss)
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On May 09 2012 14:13 Wrongspeedy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 11:02 Alejandrisha wrote:On May 09 2012 10:46 HolyArrow wrote:On May 09 2012 10:15 xrapture wrote:On May 09 2012 08:43 HolyArrow wrote:On May 09 2012 06:42 EmilA wrote:
Whenever I lose to protoss I begin spamming when the various GoT characters die in the books. Blizzard's stance on balance is outright retarded and I doubt SC2 will ever take off in Korea as long as you can't have drawn out macro games going either way. You are a terrible person and you should feel terrible. No, really. I'm completely serious. This doesn't even have anything to do with balance or anything SC2 related. Who does that? Fucking get your worthless ego together and get over yourself. Jesus christ. IMO spoiling a story for someone is one of the absolute lowest things you can do, because it's irreversible. My philosophy is that fiction is one of the beautiful things we can cherish as humans, and experiencing any great work of fiction is a truly unique life experience. I fall and scrape my knee, it heals. If I get a great story spoiled, it's never going to be the same (unless I literally wait years and years until I - hopefully - completely forget everything, which is extremely infeasible). Seriously, if you actually do that, then fuck you. or you could, you know, actually read the books? but ha, readings too hard, right? ... Are you serious? Has the possibly that someone could be in the process of reading the books crossed your mind? That's such a stupid point that I don't even really know what else to say. If someone goes as far as maliciously spoiling an entire series of good books just because his opponent plays a certain race, then that person has problems. This all seems so evident to me that I don't really know what to say. that is messed up here's a little something for everyone to practice on the ladder you: gl hf opponent: something remotely douchy f11 - click Dear god thank you so much! I never knew... Edit: And because I am here I will ask why Terrans don't try adding in mass Banshees to their mech builds more often? I got rolled by this Terran earlier today who I thought I had a clear economic advantage over for quiet a long period in the game. I expanded before him and kept him from expanding with my warpgate units for a few minutes, took my 3rd before him and had 0-2-0 Colossus Chargelot and Stalkers + Started adding Phoenix and Voids once I saw he was massing Banshee (probably had 3-4 Phoenix and 1-2 Voids when he pushed me). Anyways he pretty much went strictly Marine/Thor/Banshee, pushed only once late in the game with some scvs to repair and just destroyed me. Banshees have always been hard to deal with from a Toss perspective. And masses of them take down stalkers pretty damn fast.
One unit ... phoenix.
Yes, it actually is that easy. With phoenix on the field the banshees have to be over the bioball all the time and they will take damage from storms and such. When you dodge storms with bio the banshees will be left behind and be picked off easily.
They also take away viking production time, or mean you have to put a lot of resources into starports to get a meaningful amount out. Protoss can just chronoboost a single starport to counter it.
If mech was viable banshees would be useful as you could slow push the map with turrets that deny observers.
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On May 09 2012 15:24 one-one-one wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 14:13 Wrongspeedy wrote:On May 09 2012 11:02 Alejandrisha wrote:On May 09 2012 10:46 HolyArrow wrote:On May 09 2012 10:15 xrapture wrote:On May 09 2012 08:43 HolyArrow wrote:On May 09 2012 06:42 EmilA wrote:
Whenever I lose to protoss I begin spamming when the various GoT characters die in the books. Blizzard's stance on balance is outright retarded and I doubt SC2 will ever take off in Korea as long as you can't have drawn out macro games going either way. You are a terrible person and you should feel terrible. No, really. I'm completely serious. This doesn't even have anything to do with balance or anything SC2 related. Who does that? Fucking get your worthless ego together and get over yourself. Jesus christ. IMO spoiling a story for someone is one of the absolute lowest things you can do, because it's irreversible. My philosophy is that fiction is one of the beautiful things we can cherish as humans, and experiencing any great work of fiction is a truly unique life experience. I fall and scrape my knee, it heals. If I get a great story spoiled, it's never going to be the same (unless I literally wait years and years until I - hopefully - completely forget everything, which is extremely infeasible). Seriously, if you actually do that, then fuck you. or you could, you know, actually read the books? but ha, readings too hard, right? ... Are you serious? Has the possibly that someone could be in the process of reading the books crossed your mind? That's such a stupid point that I don't even really know what else to say. If someone goes as far as maliciously spoiling an entire series of good books just because his opponent plays a certain race, then that person has problems. This all seems so evident to me that I don't really know what to say. that is messed up here's a little something for everyone to practice on the ladder you: gl hf opponent: something remotely douchy f11 - click Dear god thank you so much! I never knew... Edit: And because I am here I will ask why Terrans don't try adding in mass Banshees to their mech builds more often? I got rolled by this Terran earlier today who I thought I had a clear economic advantage over for quiet a long period in the game. I expanded before him and kept him from expanding with my warpgate units for a few minutes, took my 3rd before him and had 0-2-0 Colossus Chargelot and Stalkers + Started adding Phoenix and Voids once I saw he was massing Banshee (probably had 3-4 Phoenix and 1-2 Voids when he pushed me). Anyways he pretty much went strictly Marine/Thor/Banshee, pushed only once late in the game with some scvs to repair and just destroyed me. Banshees have always been hard to deal with from a Toss perspective. And masses of them take down stalkers pretty damn fast. One unit ... phoenix. Yes, it actually is that easy. With phoenix on the field the banshees have to be over the bioball all the time and they will take damage from storms and such. When you dodge storms with bio the banshees will be left behind and be picked off easily. They also take away viking production time, or mean you have to put a lot of resources into starports to get a meaningful amount out. Protoss can just chronoboost a single starport to counter it. If mech was viable banshees would be useful as you could slow push the map with turrets that deny observers.
The thing is though, phoenix don't do anything to anything else. If you have Thors and Marines and your forcing the Protoss to spend gas to make Phoenix (and you will likely have like a dozen banshees which take a while to kill with a few phoenix) then he probably won't have storm if he went robo first.
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On May 09 2012 15:35 Wrongspeedy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 15:24 one-one-one wrote:On May 09 2012 14:13 Wrongspeedy wrote:On May 09 2012 11:02 Alejandrisha wrote:On May 09 2012 10:46 HolyArrow wrote:On May 09 2012 10:15 xrapture wrote:On May 09 2012 08:43 HolyArrow wrote:On May 09 2012 06:42 EmilA wrote:
Whenever I lose to protoss I begin spamming when the various GoT characters die in the books. Blizzard's stance on balance is outright retarded and I doubt SC2 will ever take off in Korea as long as you can't have drawn out macro games going either way. You are a terrible person and you should feel terrible. No, really. I'm completely serious. This doesn't even have anything to do with balance or anything SC2 related. Who does that? Fucking get your worthless ego together and get over yourself. Jesus christ. IMO spoiling a story for someone is one of the absolute lowest things you can do, because it's irreversible. My philosophy is that fiction is one of the beautiful things we can cherish as humans, and experiencing any great work of fiction is a truly unique life experience. I fall and scrape my knee, it heals. If I get a great story spoiled, it's never going to be the same (unless I literally wait years and years until I - hopefully - completely forget everything, which is extremely infeasible). Seriously, if you actually do that, then fuck you. or you could, you know, actually read the books? but ha, readings too hard, right? ... Are you serious? Has the possibly that someone could be in the process of reading the books crossed your mind? That's such a stupid point that I don't even really know what else to say. If someone goes as far as maliciously spoiling an entire series of good books just because his opponent plays a certain race, then that person has problems. This all seems so evident to me that I don't really know what to say. that is messed up here's a little something for everyone to practice on the ladder you: gl hf opponent: something remotely douchy f11 - click Dear god thank you so much! I never knew... Edit: And because I am here I will ask why Terrans don't try adding in mass Banshees to their mech builds more often? I got rolled by this Terran earlier today who I thought I had a clear economic advantage over for quiet a long period in the game. I expanded before him and kept him from expanding with my warpgate units for a few minutes, took my 3rd before him and had 0-2-0 Colossus Chargelot and Stalkers + Started adding Phoenix and Voids once I saw he was massing Banshee (probably had 3-4 Phoenix and 1-2 Voids when he pushed me). Anyways he pretty much went strictly Marine/Thor/Banshee, pushed only once late in the game with some scvs to repair and just destroyed me. Banshees have always been hard to deal with from a Toss perspective. And masses of them take down stalkers pretty damn fast. One unit ... phoenix. Yes, it actually is that easy. With phoenix on the field the banshees have to be over the bioball all the time and they will take damage from storms and such. When you dodge storms with bio the banshees will be left behind and be picked off easily. They also take away viking production time, or mean you have to put a lot of resources into starports to get a meaningful amount out. Protoss can just chronoboost a single starport to counter it. If mech was viable banshees would be useful as you could slow push the map with turrets that deny observers. The thing is though, phoenix don't do anything to anything else. If you have Thors and Marines and your forcing the Protoss to spend gas to make Phoenix (and you will likely have like a dozen banshees which take a while to kill with a few phoenix) then he probably won't have storm if he went robo first.
Wrong. Phoenix can pick off medivacs, harass mineral lines , pick off stray units and they can attack the vikings supposed to "counter" colossus. And you'd be surprised how fast banshees dies to a few phoenix.
Banshees also have low hp and and thus be stormed or feed-backed.
I'm not saying it is completely unviable, but the micro needed to babysit them and control them for maximum damage output has to be taken from somewhere else. It is a good early game unit , and I supposed you could do some kind of "surprise" banshee switch later in the games...
Also, sky terran makes them a staple unit , but then you don't have a huge bio-ball to babysit all the time.
Believe me, I have played a lot with Banshees in TvP 
Both as cheese and sky-terran.
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On May 09 2012 13:48 Fencer710 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 13:38 tdt wrote:
I play protoss and think EMP nerf was disaterous and tanks need to do about 70 damage per shot. Also ghost snipe was only effective way to deal with zergs late game another bad nerf.
These three things would make terran enter late game on equal footing.
My specail wish would give thors irradate instead of strike cannon frying charglots, zerlings and most importantly BROODLINGS in immidiate vincinity making pure mech viable. You can still deal with late-game through multitasking. 2-4 drops out on the map at a time in TvZ sniping expansions to keep him from having the money to re-max instantly is a pretty good way to keep the Zerg on the back foot even if you aren't straight-up attacking, and a Thor/Tank force with a little bit of Marine/Medivac to kill Zerglings is actually a pretty good composition in a straight-up fight against Broodlord/Infestor if you have a good concave, and also pretty good against ultra/ling/infestor. I agree with 70 damage per shot, but only against shields. The real problem is all the abilities of the Protoss: They circumvent cliffs extremely easily (Blinkstalkers, Colossus, Warp prisms with Warpgates), are extremely good in direct engagements (Chargelots, Colossus, Immortals), and Mech is generally just weaker in TvP compared to BW. (No good mineral dump: Hellions are complete crap against everything but chargelots, and even then are mediocre and die faster than stimmed marines since there's no way to safely heal them.)
The problem is twofold. First, no minefields. Second, the Immortal. Immortals brutally ravage everything mech. It takes TEN Siege Tank shots to even break the shields of an Immortal. That's 500 damage (so to speak), or 700 if you wanna BW it up. That's enough to crush out a pack of Zealots enough that your Hellions can easily clean them up, and enough to absolutely obliterate a force of Stalkers. The Immortal has only barely lost its shields.
I'll be the first to admit it: the Immortal is a problem unit. Hardened Shields make it nigh-impossible for a Meching Terran to win. Only problem is, if Hardened Shields ever got removed, the 1-1-1 would instantly win every TvP ever. No easy way out of that.
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I'm not a fan of the concept that Blizzard is presenting. All races should have good late game potencial. The game should not be about surviving to a certain point without taking damage or being forced to do damage every game against P because otherwise you will lose. This will just result in goofy 2 base play and boring games in the long term.
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i used to use phoenix comps in pvt, mostly out of phoenix openers as i was never a big fan of the switch to double SG phoenix after colossus because you are putting gas there that would go to upgrades and i don't think the payoff is as good and also leaves you open to a lot of frontal danger on maps where the nat is not extreeeeemely forcefield friendly. and if you open phoenix or even do a late switch and your opponent catches wind and hits a stim + ghost timing (after a 1 rax cc against which phoenix should do very little damage vs. a good enough opponent), you usually just die.
other styles are much more stable and use the limited amount of gas you have to better effects
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On May 09 2012 14:13 Wrongspeedy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 11:02 Alejandrisha wrote:On May 09 2012 10:46 HolyArrow wrote:On May 09 2012 10:15 xrapture wrote:On May 09 2012 08:43 HolyArrow wrote:On May 09 2012 06:42 EmilA wrote:
Whenever I lose to protoss I begin spamming when the various GoT characters die in the books. Blizzard's stance on balance is outright retarded and I doubt SC2 will ever take off in Korea as long as you can't have drawn out macro games going either way. You are a terrible person and you should feel terrible. No, really. I'm completely serious. This doesn't even have anything to do with balance or anything SC2 related. Who does that? Fucking get your worthless ego together and get over yourself. Jesus christ. IMO spoiling a story for someone is one of the absolute lowest things you can do, because it's irreversible. My philosophy is that fiction is one of the beautiful things we can cherish as humans, and experiencing any great work of fiction is a truly unique life experience. I fall and scrape my knee, it heals. If I get a great story spoiled, it's never going to be the same (unless I literally wait years and years until I - hopefully - completely forget everything, which is extremely infeasible). Seriously, if you actually do that, then fuck you. or you could, you know, actually read the books? but ha, readings too hard, right? ... Are you serious? Has the possibly that someone could be in the process of reading the books crossed your mind? That's such a stupid point that I don't even really know what else to say. If someone goes as far as maliciously spoiling an entire series of good books just because his opponent plays a certain race, then that person has problems. This all seems so evident to me that I don't really know what to say. that is messed up here's a little something for everyone to practice on the ladder you: gl hf opponent: something remotely douchy f11 - click Dear god thank you so much! I never knew... Edit: And because I am here I will ask why Terrans don't try adding in mass Banshees to their mech builds more often? I got rolled by this Terran earlier today who I thought I had a clear economic advantage over for quiet a long period in the game. I expanded before him and kept him from expanding with my warpgate units for a few minutes, took my 3rd before him and had 0-2-0 Colossus Chargelot and Stalkers + Started adding Phoenix and Voids once I saw he was massing Banshee (probably had 3-4 Phoenix and 1-2 Voids when he pushed me). Anyways he pretty much went strictly Marine/Thor/Banshee, pushed only once late in the game with some scvs to repair and just destroyed me. Banshees have always been hard to deal with from a Toss perspective. And masses of them take down stalkers pretty damn fast.
I used to do this build exclusively so I know the counter. Coli/stalker. It's a major coin flip (that's why I stopped). You drop pdds for the stalkers but if they make enough stalkers, you just lose.
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On May 09 2012 16:19 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 13:48 Fencer710 wrote:On May 09 2012 13:38 tdt wrote:
I play protoss and think EMP nerf was disaterous and tanks need to do about 70 damage per shot. Also ghost snipe was only effective way to deal with zergs late game another bad nerf.
These three things would make terran enter late game on equal footing.
My specail wish would give thors irradate instead of strike cannon frying charglots, zerlings and most importantly BROODLINGS in immidiate vincinity making pure mech viable. You can still deal with late-game through multitasking. 2-4 drops out on the map at a time in TvZ sniping expansions to keep him from having the money to re-max instantly is a pretty good way to keep the Zerg on the back foot even if you aren't straight-up attacking, and a Thor/Tank force with a little bit of Marine/Medivac to kill Zerglings is actually a pretty good composition in a straight-up fight against Broodlord/Infestor if you have a good concave, and also pretty good against ultra/ling/infestor. I agree with 70 damage per shot, but only against shields. The real problem is all the abilities of the Protoss: They circumvent cliffs extremely easily (Blinkstalkers, Colossus, Warp prisms with Warpgates), are extremely good in direct engagements (Chargelots, Colossus, Immortals), and Mech is generally just weaker in TvP compared to BW. (No good mineral dump: Hellions are complete crap against everything but chargelots, and even then are mediocre and die faster than stimmed marines since there's no way to safely heal them.) The problem is twofold. First, no minefields. Second, the Immortal. Immortals brutally ravage everything mech. It takes TEN Siege Tank shots to even break the shields of an Immortal. That's 500 damage (so to speak), or 700 if you wanna BW it up. That's enough to crush out a pack of Zealots enough that your Hellions can easily clean them up, and enough to absolutely obliterate a force of Stalkers. The Immortal has only barely lost its shields. I'll be the first to admit it: the Immortal is a problem unit. Hardened Shields make it nigh-impossible for a Meching Terran to win. Only problem is, if Hardened Shields ever got removed, the 1-1-1 would instantly win every TvP ever. No easy way out of that.
Remove Immortal, give back dragoon. Problem solved.
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maybe we should set up a mass boycott of TvP to fuck up the retarded stats they rant on about all the time. If enough terrans just leave immediately on ladder vs protoss we might get somewhere : -)
Something has to be done to make them realize that almost every terran player wants the matchup changing.
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On May 09 2012 17:24 malaan wrote:
maybe we should set up a mass boycott of TvP to fuck up the retarded stats they rant on about all the time. If enough terrans just leave immediately on ladder vs protoss we might get somewhere : -)
Something has to be done to make them realize that almost every terran player wants the matchup changing.
Any time I get TvP matchup I resort to dumb and gimmicky/cheesy builds.
It's not worth the macro game.
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Northern Ireland26255 Posts
On May 09 2012 17:24 malaan wrote:
maybe we should set up a mass boycott of TvP to fuck up the retarded stats they rant on about all the time. If enough terrans just leave immediately on ladder vs protoss we might get somewhere : -)
Something has to be done to make them realize that almost every terran player wants the matchup changing.
Blizzard aren't retarded, they are almost certainly aware of the issues with the matchup as it currently stands. Being a balance whining martyr won't change their minds on the issue.
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On May 09 2012 17:41 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 17:24 malaan wrote:
maybe we should set up a mass boycott of TvP to fuck up the retarded stats they rant on about all the time. If enough terrans just leave immediately on ladder vs protoss we might get somewhere : -)
Something has to be done to make them realize that almost every terran player wants the matchup changing. Blizzard aren't retarded.
Did you not read the part where they're clearly not envisioning the problems that Terran state they have?
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On May 09 2012 15:24 one-one-one wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 14:13 Wrongspeedy wrote:On May 09 2012 11:02 Alejandrisha wrote:On May 09 2012 10:46 HolyArrow wrote:On May 09 2012 10:15 xrapture wrote:On May 09 2012 08:43 HolyArrow wrote:On May 09 2012 06:42 EmilA wrote:
Whenever I lose to protoss I begin spamming when the various GoT characters die in the books. Blizzard's stance on balance is outright retarded and I doubt SC2 will ever take off in Korea as long as you can't have drawn out macro games going either way. You are a terrible person and you should feel terrible. No, really. I'm completely serious. This doesn't even have anything to do with balance or anything SC2 related. Who does that? Fucking get your worthless ego together and get over yourself. Jesus christ. IMO spoiling a story for someone is one of the absolute lowest things you can do, because it's irreversible. My philosophy is that fiction is one of the beautiful things we can cherish as humans, and experiencing any great work of fiction is a truly unique life experience. I fall and scrape my knee, it heals. If I get a great story spoiled, it's never going to be the same (unless I literally wait years and years until I - hopefully - completely forget everything, which is extremely infeasible). Seriously, if you actually do that, then fuck you. or you could, you know, actually read the books? but ha, readings too hard, right? ... Are you serious? Has the possibly that someone could be in the process of reading the books crossed your mind? That's such a stupid point that I don't even really know what else to say. If someone goes as far as maliciously spoiling an entire series of good books just because his opponent plays a certain race, then that person has problems. This all seems so evident to me that I don't really know what to say. that is messed up here's a little something for everyone to practice on the ladder you: gl hf opponent: something remotely douchy f11 - click Dear god thank you so much! I never knew... Edit: And because I am here I will ask why Terrans don't try adding in mass Banshees to their mech builds more often? I got rolled by this Terran earlier today who I thought I had a clear economic advantage over for quiet a long period in the game. I expanded before him and kept him from expanding with my warpgate units for a few minutes, took my 3rd before him and had 0-2-0 Colossus Chargelot and Stalkers + Started adding Phoenix and Voids once I saw he was massing Banshee (probably had 3-4 Phoenix and 1-2 Voids when he pushed me). Anyways he pretty much went strictly Marine/Thor/Banshee, pushed only once late in the game with some scvs to repair and just destroyed me. Banshees have always been hard to deal with from a Toss perspective. And masses of them take down stalkers pretty damn fast. One unit ... phoenix. Yes, it actually is that easy. With phoenix on the field the banshees have to be over the bioball all the time and they will take damage from storms and such. When you dodge storms with bio the banshees will be left behind and be picked off easily. They also take away viking production time, or mean you have to put a lot of resources into starports to get a meaningful amount out. Protoss can just chronoboost a single starport to counter it. If mech was viable banshees would be useful as you could slow push the map with turrets that deny observers.
Actually--templar tech is the true counter to the Banshee. When amassed, Banshees are forced to stick together because they're so expensive and take up so much supply that it's not worth it to spread them out too much. This makes storms and archons ridiculously powerful against them in smaller numbers.
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On May 09 2012 17:44 stevarius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 17:41 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 09 2012 17:24 malaan wrote:
maybe we should set up a mass boycott of TvP to fuck up the retarded stats they rant on about all the time. If enough terrans just leave immediately on ladder vs protoss we might get somewhere : -)
Something has to be done to make them realize that almost every terran player wants the matchup changing. Blizzard aren't retarded. Did you not read the part where they're clearly not envisioning the problems that Terran state they have?
And what would've happened if they would've flat out said that they thought Terrans were too weak in the lategame? It would've caused endless whining until it got fixed. Note that the current round of balance changes being tested doesn't involve anything TvP related (though Obs buff could be a minor P midgame buff) so any planned TvP changes would've still taken quite a while before going live. In the meantime, every Terran lategame loss would've been attributed to balance, because "Blizzard said so".
The post they made was politically correct above anything else. It hints at the issues without actually stating there's a problem. It's the safest way to at least let people know that they're looking at it without giving a carte blanche to balance whiners. In addition, the post was made by a community manager, which is basically a glorified forum moderator.
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