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On May 02 2012 01:00 Karak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 00:59 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 00:58 Shallot wrote:On May 02 2012 00:52 Chocobo wrote:On May 02 2012 00:46 crumunch wrote:
It really is depressing to see so many people defending Destiny in this thread. How somebody can throw around racial slurs like that while claiming to be ignorant of the hateful meaning behind them is beyond me. Do you get deeply hurt, saddened, and offended when Cartman makes anti-semetic remarks in an episode of South Park? The problem with your logic is that this is real life, not a cartoon. Destiny is not saying these things to be funny, he is saying them with malicious intent and no regard for the person on the other end of his attacks. I think you need to google what 'malicious' means. It's pretty obvious that all of Destiny's BM is to be funny and increase his publicity. I think you are the one who needs to be googling. His words were plainly said in anger and intended to be hurtful towards the other player in an attempt to vent that anger.
That's his shtick, though. He goes over the top in his venting because his viewers find it amusing. Presumably you've never seen a George Carlin routine!
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i haven't read through the entire thread, but here are my 2 cents.
if you give those "words" "power" then it's your own fault.
you see those words don't mean anything to me, and shouldn't to anyone else.
you feel offended, or think it might offend/degrade/etc. someone else?
why exactly? in my opinion it's pure drama and in the end it's just someones ego which got hurt and that became the basis for a cry out like this.
oh btw, you lost it from the start, when you made the thread because he said it to you.
so you didn't care as much, when he said something to someone else?
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On May 02 2012 01:00 Kamakiri wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 00:54 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 00:52 Kamakiri wrote:On May 02 2012 00:50 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 00:48 Kamakiri wrote:On May 02 2012 00:46 crumunch wrote:
It really is depressing to see so many people defending Destiny in this thread. How somebody can throw around racial slurs like that while claiming to be ignorant of the hateful meaning behind them is beyond me. Let him have his hateful opinions, they do not hurt you, being "offended" is not a reason to ban opinions. You are basically just saying that your opinion is better than his, which is much more ignorant in my opinion. The opinion that someone is inferior by virtue of their race or sexual orientation is not an opinion we need to respect. And yes, if you're using race or sexual orientation as an insult that by definition means you think they are inferior...otherwise those words wouldn't be insults. You don't have to respect it, but I/we do not have to respect your opinion that his opinion shouldn't be respected. Your opinion is not better/worth more than his, sorry Yes it is. I have a rational argument for why those slurs should not be used. His is simply bigotry. Freedom of Speech doesn't give a platform to hatred anymore than it does a loon who insists that Santa is real. I find it hard to belive that you have a rational argument for that, since slurs can only harm your feelings, which is easily countered by growing a thicker skin. In my opinion you are just a person that holds you own opinions for more worth than others, a kind of opinion "racism" in some sense.
Are you stupid? Not all opinions are equally valid. Sometimes opinions are just stupid, and shouldn't be given the same weight as an informed, thought out opinion.
'opinion racism' is the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life.
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This thread is awesome!
Made my day with all the hilarious posts!
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/a6OGQ.jpg)
>mfw OP not even korean
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On May 02 2012 00:57 goswser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 00:50 chatuka wrote:On May 02 2012 00:42 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 02 2012 00:38 xrapture wrote:
Just write to Quantic, and if that doesn't work and it's obvious Quantic supports this type of behavior simply for the publicity I guess we'll have to write to the sponsors.
There's a reason NO professional sport or outlet allows the use of homophobic and racist slurs. yes, write to sponsors. Let's punish the whole team for your viewpoint. we are not trying to punish the team, we are trying to put pressure on the team to enact disciplinary measures on one of their professional gamers, Destiny, who did an unprofessional thing Writing to sponsors is the worst way ever to respond to such a situation. People like you do it because it lets you misrepresent the scene since you know that when sponsors get emails from 20 angry nerds they somehow get deluded into thinking that a large portion of the community is outraged when its really just 20 angry nerds. But its the internet so what can I expect. Make sure to include in the email that 99% of the community doesn't think the issue is a big enough deal to email them about it.
who don't you do a valid poll to see how many people are actually upset about what destiny did before you say that
99% of the members on TL don't care about this issue ? hmm?
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I'm sure Quantic has been contacted a plethora of times in regards to Destiny's bigotry, but I've yet to come across a statement by them.
When idra said faggot all the time on his stream, EG was contacted Idra was told to clean up his language. Now he doesn't use the word anymore.
If Quantic chooses not to do the same what choice do we have but to contact the sponsors?
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On May 02 2012 00:58 Firesilver wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 00:56 SCampbell wrote:Here is my letter to Razer (support-us@razersupport.com) regarding Destiny's current and past use of racial slurs. I encourage everyone else to submit letters of a similar theme. Tolerating racism allows it to grow and foster. By propagating racism, Destiny does far more harm than good. Let's make racism an intolerable offence within the community - far more sponsors will show interest in SC2, if fighting bigotry for its own sake isn't enough. Hello,
I would like to express my disappointment in Razer's decision to sponsor the Starcraft 2 player Destiny, and his team Quantic, in light of racist comments regularly made on his stream.
Like many players, I see his comments as representative of the type of culture his sponsors wish to foster. I consider continued sponsorship of Destiny, either directly or through his team Quantic, as tacit approval by Razer of the use of racial slurs meant to divide and inflame.
As such, I cannot morally justify continued use and purchase of Razer products.
All the best,
- Steve Campbell
Source:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333649 Well, you're doing the scene more harm than good, after being told this would cause more harm than good. Actually contacting Quantic, the people who are most relevant to this, would help the situation.
I agree. Going directly to Razor and not contacting Quantic was a bad idea.
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On May 02 2012 01:01 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 00:56 SCampbell wrote:Here is my letter to Razer (support-us@razersupport.com) regarding Destiny's current and past use of racial slurs. I encourage everyone else to submit letters of a similar theme. Tolerating racism allows it to grow and foster. By propagating racism, Destiny does far more harm than good. Let's make racism an intolerable offence within the community - far more sponsors will show interest in SC2, if fighting bigotry for its own sake isn't enough. Hello,
I would like to express my disappointment in Razer's decision to sponsor the Starcraft 2 player Destiny, and his team Quantic, in light of racist comments regularly made on his stream.
Like many players, I see his comments as representative of the type of culture his sponsors wish to foster. I consider continued sponsorship of Destiny, either directly or through his team Quantic, as tacit approval by Razer of the use of racial slurs meant to divide and inflame.
As such, I cannot morally justify continued use and purchase of Razer products.
All the best,
- Steve Campbell
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333649 NO! NO! This needs to stop right here right now! This is the orb story all over again. This thread is filled with hypocrites who have nothing better to do than to run around trying to ruin other's careers. Do you have ANY idea how fucking hard it is to obtain a sponsor? You can trash talk Destiny all you want, but do NOT start whining to the sponsors. You can be offended all you want. Nothing happens when you get offended. But you step over the line the second you start trying to make someone lose their jobs.
And this here is precisely why this community will likely fail if it makes any (unlikely, really) attempt to go mainstream. All actions are acceptable so long as you get paid in the end.
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Interesting thread. Couple of thoughts come to mind.
- This kind of thing is a really great advertisement for SC2 and e-sports isn't it? You know, I can just see friends of mine wanting to jump into this kind of community full of people defending racial abuse because "hey, it's just this popular guy, does it all the time". And I'm sure that this kind of abusive attitude by prominent community members is just going to help e-sports to power ahead and grow and attract even bigger crowds of people. I'd say more but I've run out of sarcasm.
- Quantic hired Destiny knowing full well he is like this. Therefore they implicitly support this kind of behaviour. Reporting him to his team isn't going to do anything because they have already expressed support for this behaviour by hiring him. Therefore the logical next step is to complain to the people who really hold the power through their purse-strings: the sponsors. People criticising those who wish to make that complaint baffle me...if you really gave a damn about e-sports then you wouldn't accept this kind of behaviour in the first place. Because racial abuse really IS something that puts sponsors off.
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On May 02 2012 01:01 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 00:56 SCampbell wrote:Here is my letter to Razer (support-us@razersupport.com) regarding Destiny's current and past use of racial slurs. I encourage everyone else to submit letters of a similar theme. Tolerating racism allows it to grow and foster. By propagating racism, Destiny does far more harm than good. Let's make racism an intolerable offence within the community - far more sponsors will show interest in SC2, if fighting bigotry for its own sake isn't enough. Hello,
I would like to express my disappointment in Razer's decision to sponsor the Starcraft 2 player Destiny, and his team Quantic, in light of racist comments regularly made on his stream.
Like many players, I see his comments as representative of the type of culture his sponsors wish to foster. I consider continued sponsorship of Destiny, either directly or through his team Quantic, as tacit approval by Razer of the use of racial slurs meant to divide and inflame.
As such, I cannot morally justify continued use and purchase of Razer products.
All the best,
- Steve Campbell
Source:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333649 NO! NO! This needs to stop right here right now! This is the orb story all over again. This thread is filled with hypocrites who have nothing better to do than to run around trying to ruin other's careers. Do you have ANY idea how fucking hard it is to obtain a sponsor? You can trash talk Destiny all you want, but do NOT start whining to the sponsors. You can be offended all you want. Nothing happens when you get offended. But you step over the line the second you start trying to make someone lose their jobs.
how is this orb story?
EG didnt know about orbs behavour
quantic picked destiny and they did know about his BM, racism and other stuff
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On May 02 2012 01:02 Holytornados wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 00:58 Firesilver wrote:On May 02 2012 00:56 SCampbell wrote:Here is my letter to Razer (support-us@razersupport.com) regarding Destiny's current and past use of racial slurs. I encourage everyone else to submit letters of a similar theme. Tolerating racism allows it to grow and foster. By propagating racism, Destiny does far more harm than good. Let's make racism an intolerable offence within the community - far more sponsors will show interest in SC2, if fighting bigotry for its own sake isn't enough. Hello,
I would like to express my disappointment in Razer's decision to sponsor the Starcraft 2 player Destiny, and his team Quantic, in light of racist comments regularly made on his stream.
Like many players, I see his comments as representative of the type of culture his sponsors wish to foster. I consider continued sponsorship of Destiny, either directly or through his team Quantic, as tacit approval by Razer of the use of racial slurs meant to divide and inflame.
As such, I cannot morally justify continued use and purchase of Razer products.
All the best,
- Steve Campbell
Source:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333649 Well, you're doing the scene more harm than good, after being told this would cause more harm than good. Actually contacting Quantic, the people who are most relevant to this, would help the situation. I agree. Going directly to Razor and not contacting Quantic was a bad idea.
Why? Can you honestly believe Quantic isn't aware he consistently uses racial slurs and did so for a long period of time before they signed him? In signing him, they tacitly endorsed this behavior. There's no need for a public statement from them on the issue. They already made it with his contract.
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On May 02 2012 01:02 Karak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:01 Excludos wrote:On May 02 2012 00:56 SCampbell wrote:Here is my letter to Razer (support-us@razersupport.com) regarding Destiny's current and past use of racial slurs. I encourage everyone else to submit letters of a similar theme. Tolerating racism allows it to grow and foster. By propagating racism, Destiny does far more harm than good. Let's make racism an intolerable offence within the community - far more sponsors will show interest in SC2, if fighting bigotry for its own sake isn't enough. Hello,
I would like to express my disappointment in Razer's decision to sponsor the Starcraft 2 player Destiny, and his team Quantic, in light of racist comments regularly made on his stream.
Like many players, I see his comments as representative of the type of culture his sponsors wish to foster. I consider continued sponsorship of Destiny, either directly or through his team Quantic, as tacit approval by Razer of the use of racial slurs meant to divide and inflame.
As such, I cannot morally justify continued use and purchase of Razer products.
All the best,
- Steve Campbell
Source:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333649 NO! NO! This needs to stop right here right now! This is the orb story all over again. This thread is filled with hypocrites who have nothing better to do than to run around trying to ruin other's careers. Do you have ANY idea how fucking hard it is to obtain a sponsor? You can trash talk Destiny all you want, but do NOT start whining to the sponsors. You can be offended all you want. Nothing happens when you get offended. But you step over the line the second you start trying to make someone lose their jobs. And this here is precisely why this community will likely fail if it makes any (unlikely, really) attempt to go mainstream. All actions are acceptable so long as you get paid in the end.
LOL. I am so sick of reading your posts.
brb everything is unacceptable if one person in the universe takes it the wrong way.
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On May 02 2012 00:56 SCampbell wrote:Here is my letter to Razer (support-us@razersupport.com) regarding Destiny's current and past use of racial slurs. I encourage everyone else to submit letters of a similar theme. Tolerating racism allows it to grow and foster. By propagating racism, Destiny does far more harm than good. Let's make racism an intolerable offence within the community - far more sponsors will show interest in SC2, if fighting bigotry for its own sake isn't enough. Hello,
I would like to express my disappointment in Razer's decision to sponsor the Starcraft 2 player Destiny, and his team Quantic, in light of racist comments regularly made on his stream.
Like many players, I see his comments as representative of the type of culture his sponsors wish to foster. I consider continued sponsorship of Destiny, either directly or through his team Quantic, as tacit approval by Razer of the use of racial slurs meant to divide and inflame.
As such, I cannot morally justify continued use and purchase of Razer products.
All the best,
- Steve Campbell
Source:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333649
This is great!!!
Thanks!
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On May 02 2012 00:56 Karak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 00:54 Auren wrote:On May 02 2012 00:43 Karak wrote:On May 02 2012 00:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2012 00:37 Karak wrote:On May 02 2012 00:35 Auren wrote:Compare that 100k to how much money that guy gets paid and already has been paid. He can probably wipe his ass with 1,000 dollar bills and not even notice a change in his bank account. This is an irrelevant strawman. A 100k fine is a hefty penalty, even for a wealthy person, and is the league showing how serious the incident was. There were a lot of human and civil rights groups who were furious over the incident. for Kobe $100K fine is about the equivalent of a $30 parking ticket for an average income earner. +1 though for using cool sounding phrases like "irrelevent strawman" though..wp! The point of the post is that there was a public outcry which motivated the league to action in levying a fine on the hefty side of their scale. The base salary of the player in question is irrelevant to whether or not the league took action that was more heavy-handed than fines for other, similar actions in the past. It was used to establish that this is clearly something that runs afoul of the contemporary public and accrues punishment, whether or not you are successful. Do you think if Kobe decried the public criticism and kept openly using the word "fag" and other racial slurs in competitive play, things would be going so well for him right now? Consider this was a 100k fine for a slight slip up in the heat of the moment. Now extrapolate that to a consistent and intentional application of racial slurs and other commonly accepted offensive terms. I do not understand why the phrase "irrelevant strawman" somehow detracted from my point. It's a rather common term of art? I don't get it. Eh... I think rather than my opinion being an "irrelevant strawman" we simply disagree. From my perspective 100k wasn't a meaningful amount of money when I compare it to his level of wealth. I also think kobe is not a complete idiot and either realized he shouldn't continue to do things like that or the team's PR guys stepped in and explained to him very clearly that he could not continue to do that because future repurcussions would likely be much worse. And by worse I don't mean the league fining him but rather the fans/potential sponsorship money lost would become a noticable problem. I highly doubt the 100k fine itself mattered to him at all. We are in agreement with each other, then. An internet first!
Well, yeah, I agree the act of the punishment itself got the point across to kobe that he shouldn't continue do that. I just don't think the particular amount of the fine itself was a big deal to him specifically. I guess it was a difference of view point in that regard.
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Congratulations! You're all hurting eSports. If any of you had watched SotG, you'd have heard this from "heroes" of our community - contact Quantic if anything and wait for them to make a statement on this. Instead, who knows? For all you know, you might have just ruined Naniwa's chances of staying in Korea.
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On May 02 2012 00:52 Megaliskuu wrote:
Rofl, suddenly everyone cares about the shit destiny says.
This community is hilarious to watch.
The community grows.
One year ago we have less people, less tournaments, less teams and unprofessional, such as ROOT. Destiny didn't have no sponsors to care, no actual team to represent, and his skill was still one of the best in the ladder.
Now a lot of thing has gone legitimate. I'm not gonna say mainstream, but we indeed are growing bigger. Destiny is not in no-sponsored ROOT anymore, his skill declines (or people got better, even BabyKnight who can probably own Destiny any day still isn't featured). Community is getting aggressive with this type of behavior. Orb got burned, IdrA got disciplined by EG Alex, you can hardly see IdrA racial or homo bm nowaday, most of the time he just says this guy bad that guy bad, the other guy fukin` stupid,..v.v..v.v. It's reasonable that it's Destiny's turn.
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On May 02 2012 01:02 sparC wrote:
i haven't read through the entire thread, but here are my 2 cents.
if you give those "words" "power" then it's your own fault.
you see those words don't mean anything to me, and shouldn't to anyone else.
you feel offended, or think it might offend/degrade/etc. someone else?
why exactly? in my opinion it's pure drama and in the end it's just someones ego which got hurt and that became the basis for a cry out like this.
oh btw, you lost it from the start, when you made the thread because he said it to you.
so you didn't care as much, when he said something to someone else?
yah, of course. the stronger man is always the one that rises above the hate. But, destiny is a professional player. and you are not. None of you except the priviliged few can say that they make a living playing a videogame. These players are held to a different standard than you or me. if you don't know why professional gamers are treated differently
re-read my previous posts about money and sponship. SInce that is what the team goal is. to make MOney and gain sponsors.
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in fairness, op does seem like a huge faggot.
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On May 02 2012 01:03 noidontthinkso wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:01 Excludos wrote:On May 02 2012 00:56 SCampbell wrote:Here is my letter to Razer (support-us@razersupport.com) regarding Destiny's current and past use of racial slurs. I encourage everyone else to submit letters of a similar theme. Tolerating racism allows it to grow and foster. By propagating racism, Destiny does far more harm than good. Let's make racism an intolerable offence within the community - far more sponsors will show interest in SC2, if fighting bigotry for its own sake isn't enough. Hello,
I would like to express my disappointment in Razer's decision to sponsor the Starcraft 2 player Destiny, and his team Quantic, in light of racist comments regularly made on his stream.
Like many players, I see his comments as representative of the type of culture his sponsors wish to foster. I consider continued sponsorship of Destiny, either directly or through his team Quantic, as tacit approval by Razer of the use of racial slurs meant to divide and inflame.
As such, I cannot morally justify continued use and purchase of Razer products.
All the best,
- Steve Campbell
Source:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333649 NO! NO! This needs to stop right here right now! This is the orb story all over again. This thread is filled with hypocrites who have nothing better to do than to run around trying to ruin other's careers. Do you have ANY idea how fucking hard it is to obtain a sponsor? You can trash talk Destiny all you want, but do NOT start whining to the sponsors. You can be offended all you want. Nothing happens when you get offended. But you step over the line the second you start trying to make someone lose their jobs. how is this orb story? EG didnt know about orbs behavour quantic picked destiny and they did know about his BM, racism and other stuff
The second people start whining to their sponsors, you are forcing their hands. No matter what they intended from the start. They run a business after all. Tbh I have never been so disappointed over being a part of a community as I am now.
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