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dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
May 02 2012 00:28 GMT
#2521
The train appears to have derailed. I'm beginning to understand people's requests to close this thread.
twitch.tv/duttroach
Bout2plucku
Profile Joined May 2011
United States63 Posts
May 02 2012 00:28 GMT
#2522
If people actually gave a shit, Destiny's stream wouldn't have among the most viewers. Don't like it? Don't watch his stream. Maybe if his viewership is diminished he will stop because he needs the stream revenue. We all know he doesn't make money from tournament wins.
Kfcnoob
Profile Joined January 2011
United States296 Posts
May 02 2012 00:28 GMT
#2523
*yawn*

User was warned for this post
And Artosis sayeth "the one who kills many, but loses few, comes out ahead."
Mallidon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Scotland557 Posts
May 02 2012 00:28 GMT
#2524
On May 02 2012 09:26 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 09:24 Mallidon wrote:
On May 02 2012 09:23 dAPhREAk wrote:
On May 02 2012 09:21 Mallidon wrote:
On May 02 2012 09:18 polyphonyEX wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:12 Destiny wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:00 intrigue wrote:
guys, i'd like to let you know that i've suffered a bit in my life. that means i know what the world is like. i also never make mistakes, because, as i've mentioned, i've been through some hardship. this qualifies me to make sweeping social critiques that spans way beyond any of our lifetimes. fuck the empty media!


Seriously? Who is this faggot? I thought the colored name or w/e meant he was a mod or some shit?

How fucking mad are you right now, bro?

User was warned for this post


A complete show of ignorance and disrespect. Intrigue is female, fyi.


I believe Destiny has already apologised for this comment in the ABL thread, fyi.

yeah... what a sincere and well thought you apology:

On May 02 2012 02:50 Destiny wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:27 Aeres wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:16 JOJOsc2news wrote:
That post:
Destiny about intrigue

The Destiny thread is going wild right now. I think we will get a lot of bans to discuss :D

That's fucked up. You don't talk to a girl that way. Not even Destiny should be able to do that.

Ahh, fuck, intrique is a girl? I'm actually sorry for my responses earlier, then. [pm me and we can chat ^.^]


Well, depends how much you read into it imo.

you read that as an actual apology?


Why not?

Perhaps it is?

Anyway, I feel we are a little off topic, discussing if this is an apology or not so I'll leave it here.
Bleh.
strength
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States493 Posts
May 02 2012 00:29 GMT
#2525
You're beating a dead horse here. compLexity is the only one who really stood up to his language. Nothing will change, just ignore it -.-; Its all that we can do.
Syrupjuice
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States173 Posts
May 02 2012 00:29 GMT
#2526
On May 02 2012 09:14 haileris wrote:
The fact that this thread is filled with such ignorance towards racism shows how pressing the problem is -- this kind of behavior needs to be exorcised from the community.


Have you looked at the world lately? Have you played any type of online multiplayer game? It's not just here.

This behavior needs to be exorcised from the world in order for it to be exorcised here, in all reality. We can be a stepping stone, but it will still find its way in if it is still in the rest of the world. But words alone aren't going to do anything. You need to have action paired with it. And that action needs to be more than just a forum thread. And whatever strategy actually goes into affect needs to be carried out with: Love, Respect, Patience, and Fairness. otherwise, you're fighting hate with hate, injustice with injustice.
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
May 02 2012 00:29 GMT
#2527
On May 02 2012 09:25 haileris wrote:
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On May 02 2012 09:22 Falcor wrote:
I'm glade you can tell by a single post that contains no racism in it what so ever. Do you have gaydar but for racists?


I was commenting on this thread, not any invidivual post. Maybe you're so defensive because you know you're defending something that is wrong.


No i know you were. But the idea of their opinion is different then mine...THEY MUST BE RACIST...is a weak position

I'm not defensive? I personally think any racism is wrong. And I don't use racial slurs but I can understand the other side of the argument and don't see the issue.

My gripe with this thread is people are trying to say varying degrees of racism is ok. It's either all ok or none of it is ok. Kind of like if you can make joke's about 1 subject that can be offensive all subjects are open to jokes/comedians.
imMUTAble787
Profile Joined November 2011
United States680 Posts
May 02 2012 00:30 GMT
#2528
There's a thread on reddit posted nearly every week highlighting this exact sort of behavior, so why is it all of the sudden becoming an issue?

To clarify : I do not condone it, and I think that it is counterproductive to the community.

I just find it interesting that all of the sudden people are up in arms about it. It's about time, though.
*eternalenvy fanboy*
inFeZa
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia556 Posts
May 02 2012 00:31 GMT
#2529
Why does anybody even watch his stream? ... T_T
Starcraft 2 in-game Observer. Follow me twitter.com/infeza
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
May 02 2012 00:31 GMT
#2530
On May 02 2012 09:16 ABagOfFritos wrote:
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On May 02 2012 09:15 nath wrote:
On May 02 2012 09:13 ABagOfFritos wrote:
On May 02 2012 09:11 nath wrote:
On May 02 2012 09:09 Domus wrote:

well, i dont have a problem with those who care about a black person saying cracker. but, you know, white people were not enslaved.


Wait, what? So you think slavery is limited to black people? Read up on history please! Every race has been subject to slavery at some point in time.

no, i think nigger derived from slave culture, and cracker not so. so the meaning of nigger has to do with slavery, and cracker does not. make sense?

Cracker was used by the African slaves in America as a term for the white men who held the whips, which made a cracking sound. Read a fucking history book before you start arguing these things.

which, again, is obviously not referring to that group of people being slaves. in fact you are proving my point, i just explained that it implies a dominant/submissive relationship between whites/blacks, which is why the submissive slur is found to be more insulting...can you not understand that?

Your statement was not so. You said it has no roots of any sort in slavery, I explained that it does.


Historically speaking--calling someone a cracker is akin to calling them master. The term cracker is not only the opposite of offensive, it's a recognition of dominance, victory and power. It's no different than calling someone "that guy who dominates and rules me in every way shape and form"

People pretend it is offensive becausethere really isnt a time when being white is a bad thing. At most, whites are know. As bad dancers--but rarely are white males known as a dominated subgroup. Subgroups of white people have been dominated, but those that are are never called white and are hence given other names that link them with colour--ginger for example.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 00:35:50
May 02 2012 00:31 GMT
#2531
On May 02 2012 09:11 nath wrote:
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On May 02 2012 09:09 Domus wrote:

well, i dont have a problem with those who care about a black person saying cracker. but, you know, white people were not enslaved.


Wait, what? So you think slavery is limited to black people? Read up on history please! Every race has been subject to slavery at some point in time.

no, i think nigger derived from slave culture, and cracker not so. so the meaning of nigger has to do with slavery, and cracker does not. make sense?



Cracker as a derogatory term doesn't have any set origin, however many believe it began with black slaves referring to their "whip-cracker" masters. To imply that you're ok with a black person calling a white person a cracker, but not a white person calling a black person a nigger is a double standard.

All this being said, I'm a Destiny fan and will continue to be until he does something to piss me off personally. I plan to continue supporting him and continue my subscription to his stream, and genuinely wish the guy well.

To those who don't, well that's fine too. I live in America and here we're allowed to have our own opinions and beliefs (this isn't to say you're not allowed those elsewhere too, just that I can only speak to what I know. Note that the fact I had to even say that pre-emptively is kinda stupid). I just ask that you sincerely think about the reaction you have and determine an appropriate course of action when your blood cools. We'll all be better off if we do just that.

EDIT: To the guy who posted above me, I find cracker offensive. It has been turned into a derogatory word, and since the civil rights movement at least has been used with the intent to shame white people based on what they did to black people. As an Irish/Italian American, my families never owned slaves and were treated pretty shittily as well.
My name is Mike, and statistically, yours is not.
haileris
Profile Joined January 2011
22 Posts
May 02 2012 00:31 GMT
#2532
On May 02 2012 09:27 DoubleDare wrote:
You clearly do not understand what real bigotry is so don't pretend that you are so knowledgeable. Destiny absolutely does not fear "gays" or "blacks" or any other race or sexual preference, and he's spoken many times about his opinion on words such as "faggot" or any racial slur.


I'm already familiar with that argument.

There's a big different between calling someone a nigger during a poker game or semi-private conversations and calling someone a nigger in a public broadcast medium.
Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
May 02 2012 00:32 GMT
#2533
That's why I don't watch destinys stream.

Can people be report in b.net etc?
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
May 02 2012 00:33 GMT
#2534
On May 02 2012 09:30 imMUTAble787 wrote:
There's a thread on reddit posted nearly every week highlighting this exact sort of behavior, so why is it all of the sudden becoming an issue?

To clarify : I do not condone it, and I think that it is counterproductive to the community.

I just find it interesting that all of the sudden people are up in arms about it. It's about time, though.

It's just because its a main figure doing it. I wish Blizzard was more productive in banning people who said stuff like this. I'd run into less of them on the ladder. I had the joy of being allied to IMNOTEVENMADBRO the other day and I'm sure you can guess how that game went.
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
May 02 2012 00:33 GMT
#2535
On May 02 2012 09:27 pedostare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 09:23 Falcor wrote:
On May 02 2012 09:22 pedostare wrote:
On May 02 2012 09:16 ABagOfFritos wrote:
On May 02 2012 09:15 nath wrote:
On May 02 2012 09:13 ABagOfFritos wrote:
On May 02 2012 09:11 nath wrote:
On May 02 2012 09:09 Domus wrote:

well, i dont have a problem with those who care about a black person saying cracker. but, you know, white people were not enslaved.


Wait, what? So you think slavery is limited to black people? Read up on history please! Every race has been subject to slavery at some point in time.

no, i think nigger derived from slave culture, and cracker not so. so the meaning of nigger has to do with slavery, and cracker does not. make sense?

Cracker was used by the African slaves in America as a term for the white men who held the whips, which made a cracking sound. Read a fucking history book before you start arguing these things.

which, again, is obviously not referring to that group of people being slaves. in fact you are proving my point, i just explained that it implies a dominant/submissive relationship between whites/blacks, which is why the submissive slur is found to be more insulting...can you not understand that?

Your statement was not so. You said it has no roots of any sort in slavery, I explained that it does.

You are being intentionally obtuse. White people weren't fucking oppressed or enslaved during american-slavery and therefor the term cracker doesn't even come close to nigger. The only relationship the two have is the oppressed and the oppressors. If you honestly think those two are even mildly equivalent then you are the one who needs to take a closer look at their history book.


So you think racism is fine as long as it's not to racist?


That's not what I said, but please tell me more about how hard it was for white people during slavery.


If you don't think that then why do you feel the need to rate which term is more racist? nigger is more racist because they were oppressed. Isn't racism just racism? There isn't different degree's of racist...
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
May 02 2012 00:33 GMT
#2536
On May 02 2012 09:32 Kharnage wrote:
That's why I don't watch destinys stream.

Can people be report in b.net etc?

yes. you can report people in bnet, and i have heard of people's accounts being suspended for it. in fact, i think destiny's account was suspended for some time when he went after deezer or combat-ex.
Namenlos
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany96 Posts
May 02 2012 00:34 GMT
#2537
On May 02 2012 07:25 Namenlos wrote:
Just a question is that Op?
http://www.sctemple.com/replay/165934/#Chat
He mentioned that he is offracing there http://www.sctemple.com/replay/164294/


So as nobody declined it, i guess you can assume its him. How can someone who calls people "Fucking cancerdog" open that kind of a thread and people are serious about it?

There were also a lot of people mentioning that he is not the one who should criticize (dont know if its because of his playstyle or him beeing bm).
Silvertine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States509 Posts
May 02 2012 00:34 GMT
#2538
On May 02 2012 09:28 mrtomjones wrote:
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On May 02 2012 09:24 Maekchu wrote:
Just gonna write my own opinion on this, since there are too many pages of posts to even consider reading them all :D

I don't feel offended with such behaviour, since the racial slur was not directed to me personally, yet I do consider such behaviour juvenile. I don't care about what Destiny does on his stream or anywhere else, instead I just don't support him in any way. If I feel something is worth supporting, I will support it with my money and time. This is basically how capitalism works.

However, I do think that if e-sports want to gain a tolerance within the general public, the community itself needs to display more professionalism. I don’t find racial slur as being professional. However, in the end it all depends on where the sponsors and supporters will put their money. If the drivers of the e-sports scene don’t tolerate such behaviour, we will see low support for such individuals, eliminating such behaviour in general.

Yah, he sometimes comes off as a funny guy and sometimes he comes off as just another internet troll trying to piss people off for no reason or whining when he doesn't get his way. Luckily for Destiny I dont think he has any desire to be truly "mainstream". He is more of a Howard Stern type character.

There is no comparison between Howard Stern and Destiny. And the idea that Stern isn't mainstream is ridiculous. He's one of the highest paid entertainers ever and was #1 in radio for years. If he's not mainstream then the term loses all meaning.
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
May 02 2012 00:35 GMT
#2539
On May 02 2012 09:31 haileris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 09:27 DoubleDare wrote:
You clearly do not understand what real bigotry is so don't pretend that you are so knowledgeable. Destiny absolutely does not fear "gays" or "blacks" or any other race or sexual preference, and he's spoken many times about his opinion on words such as "faggot" or any racial slur.


I'm already familiar with that argument.

There's a big different between calling someone a nigger during a poker game or semi-private conversations and calling someone a nigger in a public broadcast medium.


This is like calling someone a nigger during a publicly broadcast poker game that you were broadcasting to people who were really hoping that you'd call that guy a nigger if you lost to him.
twitch.tv/duttroach
Morufi1
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany49 Posts
May 02 2012 00:37 GMT
#2540
On May 02 2012 09:17 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 09:11 Morufi1 wrote:
On May 02 2012 09:09 dUTtrOACh wrote:
On May 02 2012 09:03 Morufi1 wrote:
I can't believe i just made an account to respond to this Thread, but after reading the first 75 Pages in the last hours i am just shocked.

There are really people out there, that get "offended" by this? To explain my thoughts:

1. I think that all the drama is leading to the exact opposite of what is wanted: When someone insults someone he wants to hit him in some way and because the normal "fucks" or "faggots" are widely acceptet, he has to cross some borders and for example use racist vocabulary. Yes by saying this i state, that i think Destiny knew exactly that his words are considered racist by some, are crossing an unspoken border. I think that the people who are making a fuss about it are therefore partly in fault for the usage of these words.
Furthermore by giving these "racist" words a special treatment they are supporting racism. Somebody already said this, i think, and was questioned about it but did not answer to the page i read. This point may be arguable, but i think there is the possibility, that treating these words special and therefore admitting that a "racist" insult is worse then something like "faggot, i hate you die" are supporting racism, because in their heads there is a difference between these insults. If someone is insulted by something it should be treated equally no matter what is the topic. But ok, this may be arguable and is not that important.

2. I never thought that people really thought of todays professional sport / political scene as something good. I thought that the hypocrisy was disliked by the majority, but now i must read that people WANT them to wear masks and not saying what they think. This is probably which i like most about the esport scene: They are on most parts more honest and don't have to reconsider every word they speak because someone somewhere may think he is offended by it. I like the honest asshole much more than the lying nice guy. Why is today racism still a problem? Because people are nice on the outside and when they think they are unwatched by society are letting out all their hatred (which they got because they are not allowed to let it out, they think that there must be some kind of a big conspiracy, because they are forbidden to say what for them is an undeniable truth. This may go too far, but i think that it is no coincidence that many extremists are thinking there is some kind of conspiracy, but again this is arguable and not that important).

3. To come back to my starting point: There are really people who think someone new to the scene clicks on a "featured link" and, after reading the warning of offensive language, proceed and then getting really pissed by something like "gook", a word i (and a friend of mine born in vietnam) didn't even know, so they will turn away from the whole scene and especially think "wow, razer supports racists, i never will buy their products again"? I always thought this type of people was only invented by bad TV show in which older people complain about how rotten the youth is. If they don't think that will happen and the OP stated that he was not thinking Destiny was racist, why are they complaining about the situation? Seriously, this is not a rhetoric question, i want to understand. (If you respond to this: "I am getting offended by this and i will not buy products from someone who supports such player" please explain to me why. I am feeling like if this is the situation not Destiny is the problem but you are, because you are offended by something which has to do nothing with you and thereby creating the whole fuss.)


Conclusion: Without taking it to a personal level, i think the attitude displayed by some here is a big part of what i dislike in today's society. Getting upset about something just for the reason of improving their status, washing themselves from those sins. They are projecting something (i would like to call it self-hatred, but that would probably too easy, because i actually don't understand them enough.) onto others and thereby forcing the society to become hypocritical to an unbearable degree.

I honestly can't believe that all these posts are made by people, who are "offended" and not by people who are just hating destiny (a thing i can understand, i don't like him so i did not watch his stream often) and searching for a method to destroy him. I don't WANT to believe it. I probably was never so sad about the community / mankind.
Am i mad? Yes to a certain degree, i am.


TL:DR - I couldn't get past point 1. Calling people faggots is not widely accepted by anything other than the lowest common denominator. Resorting to racism is not some way to drive some point home, or anything else. It's a little troll, hiding behind the anonimity of the internet, or in Destiny's case, hiding behind his fan-base to say whatever the fuck he wants, consequence free. Obviously this kid's parents never taught him manners. It's a shame that TL moderators have to do this, but let's hope old dogs can learn new tricks, and that Destiny grows out his "persona".


You say that and yet i don't see any threads about non-racist insults. Why?


Awesome / Confusing BM is one.
Also, I remember during the Orb fiasco many people were bringing up the fact that Idra calls people faggots all the time, and that the word faggot is not acceptable. Perhaps TeamLiquid is visited by more Asians than homosexuals in a day? I don't have the numbers and I don't personally open a thread every time someone calls me a faggot for bunker rushing them. Then again, I've never been slurred by a community figure in such a reprehensible way, and I'm not gay. I'd continue, but maybe you're getting my point? Maybe?


I can see your point and yes, i was not clear enough in my argument and i can see that some parts of 1. are wrong, (because i would respont to you that you can replace "faggot" with "idiot or "moron" to which you could respond to, that those are insults not disciminating people by special factors) but i further think that it would not take away the arguments of my main thoughts. But i can't explain any more, because i will go to sleep and tomorrow everything will be spammed into oblivion.
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