EPTNo one should expect to be able to walk into an ongoing discussion, toss out an opinion, and not expect to be laughed at or criticized if they don't provide some good backup for that opinion. If you know your stuff, then make some effort to establish that you do before assuming that everyone will listen to the random new guy stepping in. Some of the thread regulars may not always react to disagreement well all the time, but all of them will listen and consider good arguments backed up with evidence even if they eventually still disagree.
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
No one should expect to be able to walk into an ongoing discussion, toss out an opinion, and not expect to be laughed at or criticized if they don't provide some good backup for that opinion. If you know your stuff, then make some effort to establish that you do before assuming that everyone will listen to the random new guy stepping in. Some of the thread regulars may not always react to disagreement well all the time, but all of them will listen and consider good arguments backed up with evidence even if they eventually still disagree. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
As for the pro-basketball reference, I take it as more of a question of will this person be a good coach or not once he is done playing the game? If they will be a good coach, then it is usually because they are able to understand people, the function of systems and teaching, and able to communicate effectively. Well what if a pro player is not good at communicating effectively? What they say will still hold some weight because of who he is, but that wouldn't really fly on an anonymous thread like this one. It is important to show how or why you feel/think a certain way like Cyric said. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On June 18 2012 17:23 tonight wrote: I think the media for LeBron has been the most positive this playoff run then it has at any other point in his career aside from maybe just joining the cavs. All the doubts about him not being able to finish through big games and unable to be consistent in the playoffs and especially in the finals have been, for the most part, proven wrong. Yes, go figure the media are a bunch of bandwagoners when a player is at his high as opposed to when they're at their lows. His game honestly hasn't changed that much overall compared to his days at cleveland, it's just now he's in the finals and ahead 2-1 cause his team isn't god awful. ESPN and the other popular sports medias just have dumbed down and sensationalist news, and promote awful shit like "but can he make a game winning shot?" Like seriously, who the fuck cares. The game boils down to more than 1 shot and no one calls out someone going 50% from the line when another person misses at the buzzer. A player could go 1/20 and make a game winner and they'd still be the hero. The series isn't over yet though. If lebron messes up the next game or has a poor performance they'll just hop onto the next anti lebron bandwagon and go back and forth until the series is over. I mean hey, they gotta write about something right? | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
On June 19 2012 08:01 Itsmedudeman wrote: Yes, go figure the media are a bunch of bandwagoners when a player is at his high as opposed to when they're at their lows. His game honestly hasn't changed that much overall compared to his days at cleveland, it's just now he's in the finals and ahead 2-1 cause his team isn't god awful. ESPN and the other popular sports medias just have dumbed down and sensationalist news, and promote awful shit like "but can he make a game winning shot?" Like seriously, who the fuck cares. The game boils down to more than 1 shot and no one calls out someone going 50% from the line when another person misses at the buzzer. A player could go 1/20 and make a game winner and they'd still be the hero. Sounds like a pretty clutch guy :D Seriusly though, the mainstream media sometimes makes me pretty upset. I remember watching a post game press conference with lebron after a loss in last years finals (don't know why, but I did) and there was exactly one journalist who asked lebron anything about the game itself at all. It was actually pretty funny to see lebrons surprised face that someone could do that .. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:50 ShoCkeyy wrote: I'm the best poster in this thread. Now let's get back to talking about basketball. Miami will take OKC 4-2. That assumes that MIA wins only one of the next two and closes out in OKC in Game 6. Wondering whether you think it's going to be Game 4 or 5 that OKC wins and why. | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
On June 19 2012 08:26 XaI)CyRiC wrote: That assumes that MIA wins only one of the next two and closes out in OKC in Game 6. Wondering whether you think it's going to be Game 4 or 5 that OKC wins and why. Harden will make shots! | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
On June 18 2012 10:49 heliusx wrote: Im going to be laughing myself to sleep after this massacre kekekeke :D Dang it's so hard to post from China, this thread really exploded. Missed the game because of my flight, but from reading some summaries and watching some highlights, seemed like a crazy back-and-forth game. GG!! I'll try to get on TL more and especially for the next game; jetlag is also wearing off a bit already. Games will be in the morning so it might be difficult. And oh I was reading leo's posts and immediately realized why he had a temp icon lol  ouchies | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
On June 19 2012 08:26 XaI)CyRiC wrote: That assumes that MIA wins only one of the next two and closes out in OKC in Game 6. Wondering whether you think it's going to be Game 4 or 5 that OKC wins and why. Wouldn't G6 be in Miami? Then, I would say they could win Game 5 because of the home advantage. But, 4-2 just means the home team wins the rest of the games, doesn't it? That said, everything depends on tomorrows game the most. OKC has not laid over and died. I don't think I can forget the way they looked in the SAS series. However, that series had some serious anomalies such as Ibaka and Perkins hitting nearly every jumper for a game and a half? Parker disappearing for a few games, etc. That's pretty much why we watch the games though so its hard to predict. But, I'm not falling asleep on OKC. I highly doubt Miami is either. I'd guess this one goes to 7. | ||
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Leyra
United States1222 Posts
On June 19 2012 10:13 slyboogie wrote: Jared Sullinger has been flagged by NBA doctors for a bulging disc. That's probably going to hurt his falling draft stock as bad as his 31" vertical and 3.8 sprint. Poor OSU. Ouch. I didn't like his game a whole lot throughout the NCAA tourney, but only got to see a few games. Felt like he was pretty inconsistent. Between that and the fact that he's on the shorter side to play inside without insane athleticism I figured he'd be a bit of a work-in-progress type anyways. Wonder where he'll end up going in the draft. To the above poster, Games 3-5 are in miami, 6-7 back in OKC, Finals is 2-3-2 format. | ||
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
On June 19 2012 10:17 justinpal wrote: Wouldn't G6 be in Miami? Then, I would say they could win Game 5 because of the home advantage. But, 4-2 just means the home team wins the rest of the games, doesn't it? That said, everything depends on tomorrows game the most. OKC has not laid over and died. I don't think I can forget the way they looked in the SAS series. However, that series had some serious anomalies such as Ibaka and Perkins hitting nearly every jumper for a game and a half? Parker disappearing for a few games, etc. That's pretty much why we watch the games though so its hard to predict. But, I'm not falling asleep on OKC. I highly doubt Miami is either. I'd guess this one goes to 7. Finals are 2-3-2, not 2-2-1-1-1 like the other playoff series. Game 6 would be in OKC | ||
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
I really thought they'd be able to pull it off after the first half. If their fourth quarter had been anything like the last two games I think they would have been able to win. Heat had a good run at the end, gotta respect that. Their D was solid. I definitely don't see OKC rolling over now though, I predict a 40+ point game for either Durant or Westbrook in one of the next few games. This series is far from over. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13358 Posts
The same system worked really well the year before with LBJ on Rose. They're making the second and third options try and beat them down the stretch and it's working. For me, OKC needs to work harder off the ball to get Durant better looks or else Westbrook and/or Harden need to start hitting some shots. Durant was god-mode the first two games, but they can't rely on that every night. OKC has a tendency to slip into iso mode down the stretch when they need to keep up the team ball. They've got to keep running their high PnRs and off ball screens to get Durant better looks. Force feeding him at the three-point line to iso vs LBJ isn't going to garner good results for mine. Brooks has shown he's able to make solid adjustments to his game plan as evidenced in the Spurs series, so it will be interesting to see how OKC plays in game 4. It's an absolute must-win for them. If Miami wins game 4 I can't see them being run down (not a particularly bold prediction, but OKC pulling of three in a row vs Miami in such a close series will be 99%-won't-happen tough). | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On June 19 2012 08:26 XaI)CyRiC wrote: That assumes that MIA wins only one of the next two and closes out in OKC in Game 6. Wondering whether you think it's going to be Game 4 or 5 that OKC wins and why. I believe they want to win it in the next two games, but I doubt it.. As a Miami Fan, I don't think they can seeing how the series are going so far. Either A) They'll be tired playing the game they lose or B) OKC will step it up to at least win one more game before they go home and Miami will end up winning at their home. Just some personal opinion. | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:38 XaI)CyRiC wrote: I have generally found that new posters can be, and are, taken seriously if they can offer some support for their opinions. If they propose a controversial opinion, i.e. Lebron is overrated and is not the best player in the NBA, the Heat/Thunder are terrible, or Kobe lucked into his rings, then they will be met with more skepticism and less credibility unless they bring some really good arguments/evidence. All too often, we get new people who jump right in with a very controversial opinion that is usually delivered with little to no evidence and/or with a lot of antagonism/arrogance (i.e. "you're all a bunch of Heat bandwagoners and Lebron sucks"), and I don't see it as unreasonable at all if the thread regulars dismiss their opinions or laugh them off. No one should expect to be able to walk into an ongoing discussion, toss out an opinion, and not expect to be laughed at or criticized if they don't provide some good backup for that opinion. If you know your stuff, then make some effort to establish that you do before assuming that everyone will listen to the random new guy stepping in. Some of the thread regulars may not always react to disagreement well all the time, but all of them will listen and consider good arguments backed up with evidence even if they eventually still disagree. Yeah I completely agree with everything you said. TL is an open-forum, so technically anyone is allowed to post. But if you're a newcomer to the thread and start posting irrelevant or ridiculous statements, it derails the quality of the discussions. At the least, you can read like 5 or so prior pages just to get a feeling of where we're at. Anyways. I had a question about "experience", and how it's used in basketball terms today. Obviously experience is a huge plus to a team in the playoffs, even more so for the finals. But when someone says this team lacks experience, or this play was due to lack of experience, what the heck are they saying exactly? The reason I ask is in the last game, the thunder was attempting to inbounds pass (I believe it was sefolosha to westbrook) in the final minute of the game and he messed it up horribly. I recall the commentators saying something along the lines of "that was a horrible play - shows the lack of experience" or something like that. It just doesn't make sense to me to use the word in that fashion. It was just a bad play, pretty much like any other turnover. I honestly don't see older teams necessarily making less mistakes and turnovers than younger ones sometimes. How would you guys define experience in basketball? | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13358 Posts
It's also somewhat overhyped by media types. I mean all these guys have been playing basketball all their lives and have been in close pressure situations at the end of games where every play counts. You could make an argument that maybe the additional pressure of a NBA Finals was weighing on the mind and played a part in the silly play, but that's just silly overanalysing for mine. I think the experience factor, particularly in relation to an NBA Finals, counts more off the court than on the court. People make silly mistakes at the end of close regular season games all the time, but it's amplified in Finals games as there's so much on the line. tl;dr: Experience helps develops the basketballer as a whole--physically, mentally; on the court, off the court. It helps them learn how to cope with the pressures of a professional athlete and what the optimal way to prepare and do things in certain situations are. | ||
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Bonzinator
Slovenia862 Posts
Something to be happy about atleast. Looking mega hyped for todays game oh boy! Above all i would love if Miami could finish everything at home, so fans and the city can go nuts with the chip. | ||
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x2fst
1272 Posts
FT EV (actual) for the first 3 games based on who shot how many and reg season FT%: OKC 1: 22.6 (20) 2: 21.4 (19) 3: 18.8 (15) MIA 1: 13.8 (14) 2: 18.9 (22) 3: 26.6 (31) Total swing to Miami each game 1: +2.8 2: +5.5 3: +8.2 copied from elsewhere | ||
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