On June 14 2012 07:25 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Random question, but why does anyone care what Jon Barry has to say? The guy has no credibility as a career backup guard who never won anything. Yet, there he is, show after show, smirking and trashing players and coaches who he couldn't guard or score against even in his "prime" (if you can really say he had a prime).
I know there are random analysts and writers like Wilbon and Broussard who do the same thing and haven't even played the game, but feel like they don't give off the same level of condescension that Barry does and usually aren't as harsh with their criticism. Barry can't write, fails to provide any significant insight or analysis, and sits up on a high horse/ivory tower offering questionable opinions like he knows what he's talking about.
Like I said, random, but the guy just irks me for some reason.
He was never really a great player, but he was still decent and had an okay shot.
The main reason(to me) is that he is the son of the famous Rick Barry. In addition, he usually has at least decent insight to a game. I've found his review of certain clips and games rather accurate and insightful.
edit: In regards to the AI debate above, the East WAS complete crap for the most part really. But to go further than that, the entire NBA really died off a bit after MJ left the scene. Just so happened that a lot of the greats he played with left around the same time as him.
NBA seemed pretty bad as a league in terms of competition from 2000-2003. Lakers dominated, and the East threw whatever team happened to come out on top vs the unstoppable Lakers. Wasn't until 2004 that teams started coming back a bit and slowly grew into excellent caliber from 2005-now. Would probably contribute Melo, Wade, LeBron, and Dwight Howard to it, among a few other greats.
Idk man, the 2002-2004 Mavericks vs Kings were the highlights of my childhood and definitely competitive and exciting as hell. I wouldn't say the NBA was bad in terms of competition, just that the west dominated the East. The West was still extremely competitive and fun to watch.
Even the West seemed to just be a bunch of teams with 1 big star, but the surrounding cast was a whole lot better than the East.
Though the Kings were decent compared to a lot of other teams I guess. Bibby along with Brad Miller(decent center, played here in Chicago around 08 iirc) and the infamous Ron Artest.
Dirk was and always has been a championship-caliber player. He just dominated a lot more back then than he does now. Sonics had Ray Allen, Spurs were good, Lakers were a dynasty, and that is about all I care to remember seeing.
It was:
Divac Webber Stojakovic Christie Bibby
+ Miller, Clark, Jackson, etc. They were extremely "decent".
Re: AI was a great player. You could see it when you watched. He was prone to taking some bad shots though, kind of like Kobe. Courageous though. He's the only player who would drive at SHAQ. Jesus Christ, Iverson was crazy. No disrespecting that talent.
Adding: Turkoglu
Random fact: Gerald Wallace was on that team. Wuut?
Gerald never got any burn though. He was a fan favorite for obvious reasons but yeah, he was our Darko (human victory cigar). He also got jobbed in the 2002 slam dunk contest by The Wheel...
On June 13 2012 16:38 iKill[ShocK] wrote: remember that the heat got demolished by CHI ~20 points before they went ahead and won the next 4 games, dont count them out yet
I also remember OKC winning the first games in Dallas and LA, and then finishing it lol posts like these make no sense
On June 13 2012 16:38 iKill[ShocK] wrote: remember that the heat got demolished by CHI ~20 points before they went ahead and won the next 4 games, dont count them out yet
I also remember OKC winning the first games in Dallas and Lakers, and then finishing it lol posts like these make no sense
Now now, the Lakers DID take 1 game. Give credit where credit is due.
But yeah, Miami should be worried that they cannot get away with playing only 1 half of a game, and then expect to win it by not trying hard in the second half.
On June 13 2012 16:38 iKill[ShocK] wrote: remember that the heat got demolished by CHI ~20 points before they went ahead and won the next 4 games, dont count them out yet
I also remember OKC winning the first games in Dallas and Lakers, and then finishing it lol posts like these make no sense
Now now, the Lakers DID take 1 game. Give credit where credit is due.
But yeah, Miami should be worried that they cannot get away with playing only 1 half of a game, and then expect to win it by not trying hard in the second half.
Really hoping to take the split tomorrow, because 3 in a row (at home or not) will be very difficult against OKC as mentioned before, and losing one of the 3 home games would then give the Heat at least one elimination game also there's the fact that the statistics of coming back from 0-2 down aren't pretty.
And ye I remember that OKC>Lakers game 1 because it was a blowout :S
2012-2013 Season: Breaking news, Lebron James breaks contract and moves to OKC. "The Decision 2.0"
All jokes aside, hopefully one day Lebron will actually get some real backup support besides just Bosh and Wade. I don't even want to think of the Cavaliers. (It's like a turd stain that you don't want to remember...) >,<
Why you put Allen Iverson in a same sentence as Wade is beyond me. Wade has a chip and finals mvp. No need to compare him with MJ and Kobe at all.
Why is this argument still made? Karl Malone does not have a ring and he is far superior player to 99% of the people who have a ring, including your boy Dwayne Wade.
Fish has 5 rings (maybe 6 with OKC now) is he a better PG than Stockton? Nash? Is anyone even insane to suggest that?
One player has a every disadvantage imaginable, but his sheer will to win and desire made him a instant icon and he dragged that sorry Philly team to things nobody else could. The other player is a notorious whiner, spends more time talking to refs, needed Shaq to get a ring. Now he needs LeBron James.
Iverson was known for pulling moves off that the human body should not be able to, he managed to cross the greatest basketball player of all time, Michael Jordan. He was only defeated by one of the most dominant players the last 20 years, Prime Shaq in the finals.
...The same guy who had to help Wade get his own ring.
Cmon son, Iverson is a phenomenon.
Iverson is/was a liability on defense because of his size. When he was surrounded by good defensive players he was able to play passing lanes fairly well and thats about it.
The east was absolutely horrible when the 76ers made the finals that year. In fact the east was basically shit after the Bulls up until the pistons became good.
Everyone is forgetting the Bucks were absolutely robbed that year in the ECF finals vs Philly. I'd put that series a close number 2 behind the Kings v Lakers debacle of 02 as the worst officiated Finals series.
Why you put Allen Iverson in a same sentence as Wade is beyond me. Wade has a chip and finals mvp. No need to compare him with MJ and Kobe at all.
Why is this argument still made? Karl Malone does not have a ring and he is far superior player to 99% of the people who have a ring, including your boy Dwayne Wade.
Fish has 5 rings (maybe 6 with OKC now) is he a better PG than Stockton? Nash? Is anyone even insane to suggest that?
One player has a every disadvantage imaginable, but his sheer will to win and desire made him a instant icon and he dragged that sorry Philly team to things nobody else could. The other player is a notorious whiner, spends more time talking to refs, needed Shaq to get a ring. Now he needs LeBron James.
Iverson was known for pulling moves off that the human body should not be able to, he managed to cross the greatest basketball player of all time, Michael Jordan. He was only defeated by one of the most dominant players the last 20 years, Prime Shaq in the finals.
...The same guy who had to help Wade get his own ring.
Cmon son, Iverson is a phenomenon.
Iverson is/was a liability on defense because of his size. When he was surrounded by good defensive players he was able to play passing lanes fairly well and thats about it.
The east was absolutely horrible when the 76ers made the finals that year. In fact the east was basically shit after the Bulls up until the pistons became good.
Everyone is forgetting the Bucks were absolutely robbed that year in the ECF finals vs Philly. I'd put that series a close number 2 behind the Kings v Lakers debacle of 02 as the worst officiated Finals series.
Uhh i have them swtiched actually lol, but yeah that was a rigged series from the start. Bucks vs Lakers would not have generated nearly the same amount of revenue/popularity/TV ratings as 76ers vs Lakers You also have the whole AI vs Kobe deal rather than a Ray Allen vs Kobe matchup (and yes, i know that shaq was still the go-to guy) I mean, Scott Williams good God should not have been suspended for game 7 for that foul on Iverson, they even ruled it a regular foul in-game. After the Bucks whupped the Sixers' asses in the first half, game 6 second half was just atrocious from an officiating standpoint, game 5 too
On June 13 2012 16:38 iKill[ShocK] wrote: remember that the heat got demolished by CHI ~20 points before they went ahead and won the next 4 games, dont count them out yet
I also remember OKC winning the first games in Dallas and Lakers, and then finishing it lol posts like these make no sense
Now now, the Lakers DID take 1 game. Give credit where credit is due.
But yeah, Miami should be worried that they cannot get away with playing only 1 half of a game, and then expect to win it by not trying hard in the second half.
Uh what? The lakers took game 3. OKC took game 1.
Took one game (aka they won a single game) =/= Took game one (aka they won the 1st game). I think you might have misread that slightly.
Oh wait you're right derp, the misinterpretation of what he posted also sort of made sense (ignoring the factual inaccuracy), but the actual/corrected version makes more sense lol
On June 14 2012 11:48 Silentness wrote: 2012-2013 Season: Breaking news, Lebron James breaks contract and moves to OKC. "The Decision 2.0"
All jokes aside, hopefully one day Lebron will actually get some real backup support besides just Bosh and Wade. I don't even want to think of the Cavaliers. (It's like a turd stain that you don't want to remember...) >,<
It should go without saying, but the Heat have a great lineup despite their weaknesses in depth and at center. They just need people to play to even 85% of their potential, but for whatever reason Wade, Bosh, and the role players have been incredibly inconsistent/underwhelming. There are legit injury concerns with Mike Miller, Bosh, and probably Wade, but still, there's no excuse for the way it looks like LeBron's playing in Cleveland at times.
Why you put Allen Iverson in a same sentence as Wade is beyond me. Wade has a chip and finals mvp. No need to compare him with MJ and Kobe at all.
Why is this argument still made? Karl Malone does not have a ring and he is far superior player to 99% of the people who have a ring, including your boy Dwayne Wade.
Fish has 5 rings (maybe 6 with OKC now) is he a better PG than Stockton? Nash? Is anyone even insane to suggest that?
One player has a every disadvantage imaginable, but his sheer will to win and desire made him a instant icon and he dragged that sorry Philly team to things nobody else could. The other player is a notorious whiner, spends more time talking to refs, needed Shaq to get a ring. Now he needs LeBron James.
Iverson was known for pulling moves off that the human body should not be able to, he managed to cross the greatest basketball player of all time, Michael Jordan. He was only defeated by one of the most dominant players the last 20 years, Prime Shaq in the finals.
...The same guy who had to help Wade get his own ring.
Cmon son, Iverson is a phenomenon.
Iverson is/was a liability on defense because of his size. When he was surrounded by good defensive players he was able to play passing lanes fairly well and thats about it.
The east was absolutely horrible when the 76ers made the finals that year. In fact the east was basically shit after the Bulls up until the pistons became good.
Everyone is forgetting the Bucks were absolutely robbed that year in the ECF finals vs Philly. I'd put that series a close number 2 behind the Kings v Lakers debacle of 02 as the worst officiated Finals series.
Uhh i have them swtiched actually lol, but yeah that was a rigged series from the start. Bucks vs Lakers would not have generated nearly the same amount of revenue/popularity/TV ratings as 76ers vs Lakers You also have the whole AI vs Kobe deal rather than a Ray Allen vs Kobe matchup (and yes, i know that shaq was still the go-to guy) I mean, Scott Williams good God should not have been suspended for game 7 for that foul on Iverson, they even ruled it a regular foul in-game. After the Bucks whupped the Sixers' asses in the first half, game 6 second half was just atrocious from an officiating standpoint, game 5 too
It was a travesty that series. I wasn't even a Bucks fan back then (was a Sonics man) and I thought it was pretty obvious Philly was being given every chance to win those games.
It's a pity the Bucks imploded after that season as they had a really nice team.
Why you put Allen Iverson in a same sentence as Wade is beyond me. Wade has a chip and finals mvp. No need to compare him with MJ and Kobe at all.
Why is this argument still made? Karl Malone does not have a ring and he is far superior player to 99% of the people who have a ring, including your boy Dwayne Wade.
Fish has 5 rings (maybe 6 with OKC now) is he a better PG than Stockton? Nash? Is anyone even insane to suggest that?
One player has a every disadvantage imaginable, but his sheer will to win and desire made him a instant icon and he dragged that sorry Philly team to things nobody else could. The other player is a notorious whiner, spends more time talking to refs, needed Shaq to get a ring. Now he needs LeBron James.
Iverson was known for pulling moves off that the human body should not be able to, he managed to cross the greatest basketball player of all time, Michael Jordan. He was only defeated by one of the most dominant players the last 20 years, Prime Shaq in the finals.
...The same guy who had to help Wade get his own ring.
Cmon son, Iverson is a phenomenon.
Iverson is/was a liability on defense because of his size. When he was surrounded by good defensive players he was able to play passing lanes fairly well and thats about it.
The east was absolutely horrible when the 76ers made the finals that year. In fact the east was basically shit after the Bulls up until the pistons became good.
Everyone is forgetting the Bucks were absolutely robbed that year in the ECF finals vs Philly. I'd put that series a close number 2 behind the Kings v Lakers debacle of 02 as the worst officiated Finals series.
Don't remind me. One of the last good years we've had here in milwaukee... T_T.
On June 14 2012 12:07 Aerisky wrote: Oh wait you're right derp, the misinterpretation of what he posted also sort of made sense (ignoring the factual inaccuracy), but the actual/corrected version makes more sense lol
Yeah, I see that I messed up too now, haha.
Well, I'm looking forward to the game tonight.Only 19 hours to go.
edit: Ahh, I forgot about Milwaukee. That team pretty much had Redd and that was it, no? If not, I forget they're even a team in the NBA sometimes, so yeah.
Why you put Allen Iverson in a same sentence as Wade is beyond me. Wade has a chip and finals mvp. No need to compare him with MJ and Kobe at all.
Why is this argument still made? Karl Malone does not have a ring and he is far superior player to 99% of the people who have a ring, including your boy Dwayne Wade.
Fish has 5 rings (maybe 6 with OKC now) is he a better PG than Stockton? Nash? Is anyone even insane to suggest that?
One player has a every disadvantage imaginable, but his sheer will to win and desire made him a instant icon and he dragged that sorry Philly team to things nobody else could. The other player is a notorious whiner, spends more time talking to refs, needed Shaq to get a ring. Now he needs LeBron James.
Iverson was known for pulling moves off that the human body should not be able to, he managed to cross the greatest basketball player of all time, Michael Jordan. He was only defeated by one of the most dominant players the last 20 years, Prime Shaq in the finals.
...The same guy who had to help Wade get his own ring.
Cmon son, Iverson is a phenomenon.
"Every disadvantage imaginable" meaning height right? Sure he was under 6' tall, but his athleticism was otherworldly. There will never be another AI, quit acting like he was an overachieving chump instead of the genetic freak he really was. And you're really gonna pretend Dwyane Wade didn't put up 34.7 ppg in that finals series in the best Jordan impersonation the NBA's seen and that Shaq wasn't 34 years old? Yes, AI overperformed and played with an intensity maybe on Jordan's level. Yes, all things considered, he was a greater player than Wade at this point in his career, but Wade has years left to play. Bonzinator was a clown for suggesting that comparing AI to Wade is an insult to Wade, but your post is just as bad.
You claim that he only lost to Shaq when he only took one game off those Lakers (I was ecstatic over that game btw, loved the David vs. Goliath promos they ran afterwards and the fact that they stopped the Lakers from going 16-0 those playoffs) when that was his only trip to the finals, that team easily could have been eliminated in the conference semis that year on a Vince Carter shot that missed by inches, and he never made it past the second round any other year. AI's one of my favorite all-time players, I loved him when he was playing, but your post makes me think you don't even watch basketball. Yeah, AI crossed MJ... so what? Is this you trying to give AI hoops cred by using The Worf Effect? He doesn't need that, he's an all-time great with actual accomplishments. It's an iconic highlight, but everyone gets crossed, everyone gets blocked, everyone gets dunked on. To list that as if it's a monumental feat makes it sound like all you've ever seen of AI is youtube highlight reels.
Oh come on. "The best Jordan impersonation the NBA has seen?" You DID watch the 06 finals right? The refs GIFTED Wade the 34. If the refs dont go crazy he puts up a respectable 20 some odd a night and the title goes to the Mavs.
Sure, he won the series for Miami, but you dont get credit for a Jordan impersonation when the refs are responsible for a good portion of it.
GWall coming off the bench backing up Lebron (and Bosh?) seems like a waste of his talent/ability. I don't see how you could start him next to Lebron because you'd have 3 wing-type players (Wade, Lebron and GWall) who slash with questionable perimeter shooting on the floor at the same time with a big and Chalmers. I'm sure there will be other teams offering him a larger role and a better fit. I think MIA needs to go out and find help at PF or C, not a SF who can play PF like GWall.
EPT
also there's the fact that the statistics of coming back from 0-2 down aren't pretty.
