EPTNBA Playoffs 2012 - Page 264
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Mista_Masta
Netherlands557 Posts
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On June 13 2012 13:04 RowdierBob wrote: I stand by it. KD wasn't great guarding LBJ 1on1 in this game. Name one living person who can guard LBJ one on one. Great offensive players simply can't be stopped by a single person. | ||
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ecstatica
United States542 Posts
I dont know if hes that great of a jumpshooter to stay at that superstar level for another 4-5 years. Take lessons from Pierce. | ||
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NosEvilEmpire
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Bonzinator
Slovenia862 Posts
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Bonzinator
Slovenia862 Posts
On June 13 2012 23:12 ecstatica wrote: Time is what separates Allen Iversons and Wades from MJs and Kobes. It is very possible that this it what Wade is going to bring from now on. Getting used to his limitations will help and he can still reinvent himself, but as a top NBA player he is probably done. I dont know if hes that great of a jumpshooter to stay at that superstar level for another 4-5 years. Take lessons from Pierce. Why you put Allen Iverson in a same sentence as Wade is beyond me. Wade has a chip and finals mvp. No need to compare him with MJ and Kobe at all. MJ is a tier above any player and it will stay that way. For the modern era, Kobe is above all as well. I'll never understand comparing players anyway, it's stupid to me. Wade taking those one dribble jumpers is just a no go. It works sometimes, but that's not his prime weapon. Wade and LeBron should just drive most of their time on the floor and try to get to the free throws line. It's really that simple. But on the other side there is Ibaka and others packing the paint so it's hard for them. But that doesn't mean they should stop doing it. And Bosh will have to find his game quickly, it's a diffrent story when you get attention on the D side. | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On June 14 2012 01:05 Bonzinator wrote: Why you put Allen Iverson in a same sentence as Wade is beyond me. Wade has a chip and finals mvp. No need to compare him with MJ and Kobe at all. MJ is a tier above any player and it will stay that way. For the modern era, Kobe is above all as well. I'll never understand comparing players anyway, it's stupid to me. Sweet jesus stop sipping the Miami Heat kool-aid for half a second and stop being so defensive. He is comparing Wade and AI in that both may have had their bodies break down in the same style. He is saying nothing towards their relative accomplishments | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On June 14 2012 01:19 BloodNinja wrote: Sweet jesus stop sipping the Miami Heat kool-aid for half a second stop being so defensive. He is comparing Wade and AI in that both may have had their bodies break down in the same style. He is saying nothing towards their relative accomplishments Agreed. It's not like they're incomparable in any way either. Both are combo guards who had to carry heavy offensive burdens for most of their careers, teamed up with another ball-dominant scorer (Melo and Lebron) afterward, are streaky but not great perimeter shooters, and hit the floor a lot as a result of their habit of fearlessly attacking the basket. The fact that Wade has a ring is not a good reason to distinguish the two, you'd be better off arguing that Wade is bigger and might be able to use that to age his game better (arguable but I have my doubts). Wade should consider how AI's career went and realize that he's going to have to adjust his game or become a much-reduced player like AI did. He can't expect to keep playing the way he did in 2006 and remain effective as he gets older because his body will break down and he'll naturally slow down and lose athleticism due to age. He should look to how players like Jordan and Kobe adjusted their games as they got older to become more perimeter and post-oriented. That's true of all perimeter players who want to remain effective as they grow older, and has nothing to do with comparing how great they are overall. There's nothing wrong with ecstatica's post, and Bonzinator needs to take the homer stick out of his ass. | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
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saladToss
United States75 Posts
On June 14 2012 01:05 Bonzinator wrote: Wade taking those one dribble jumpers is just a no go. It works sometimes, but that's not his prime weapon. Wade and LeBron should just drive most of their time on the floor and try to get to the free throws line. It's really that simple. Wade has made his career out of throwing himself in to the lane out of control, throwing up a prayer, and getting bailed out by the referees. The refs aren't calling it anymore. He lives and dies by the refs. He was never a superstar talent, but merely a product of terrible officiating, which he built his game off of. Maybe he will return to his former "glory", but it's not in his control. | ||
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dbg
Colombia264 Posts
which sort of brings up an interesting argument i had with a friend the other day about playing at home. are there any other advantages of playing at home other then the crowd? for us non nba players we obviously prefer playing on certain nets and rims over others, but is this the same in the nba? have any players outright said they like to play at home because they are used to the net and rim? it's kind of a weird question i guess since there's really no way to determine this because all NBA nets are the same. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On June 14 2012 03:48 dbg wrote: okc crowds are the best >>> which sort of brings up an interesting argument i had with a friend the other day about playing at home. are there any other advantages of playing at home other then the crowd? for us non nba players we obviously prefer playing on certain nets and rims over others, but is this the same in the nba? have any players outright said they like to play at home because they are used to the net and rim? it's kind of a weird question i guess since there's really no way to determine this because all NBA nets are the same. I know that the San Antonio arena has a fairly significant draft that has been said to affect the flight of shots. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
On June 14 2012 03:48 dbg wrote: okc crowds are the best >>> which sort of brings up an interesting argument i had with a friend the other day about playing at home. are there any other advantages of playing at home other then the crowd? for us non nba players we obviously prefer playing on certain nets and rims over others, but is this the same in the nba? have any players outright said they like to play at home because they are used to the net and rim? it's kind of a weird question i guess since there's really no way to determine this because all NBA nets are the same. The location and stadium is probably more familiar but the net/rim is...I think standardized? It's mostly the crowd/location I guess which by corollary tends to help you out with calls I guess. | ||
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Bonzinator
Slovenia862 Posts
On June 14 2012 02:10 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Agreed. It's not like they're incomparable in any way either. Both are combo guards who had to carry heavy offensive burdens for most of their careers, teamed up with another ball-dominant scorer (Melo and Lebron) afterward, are streaky but not great perimeter shooters, and hit the floor a lot as a result of their habit of fearlessly attacking the basket. The fact that Wade has a ring is not a good reason to distinguish the two, you'd be better off arguing that Wade is bigger and might be able to use that to age his game better (arguable but I have my doubts). Wade should consider how AI's career went and realize that he's going to have to adjust his game or become a much-reduced player like AI did. He can't expect to keep playing the way he did in 2006 and remain effective as he gets older because his body will break down and he'll naturally slow down and lose athleticism due to age. He should look to how players like Jordan and Kobe adjusted their games as they got older to become more perimeter and post-oriented. That's true of all perimeter players who want to remain effective as they grow older, and has nothing to do with comparing how great they are overall. There's nothing wrong with ecstatica's post, and Bonzinator needs to take the homer stick out of his ass. Truth be told, i maybe didn't understand what was the post originally about. I just didn't like AI and Wade in the same post. And i don't mind taking heat and being defensive a bit, someone has to do it with all whats going on. Sure he has to adept his game more to the perimeter and work on the J and post game more. Talking about those dribble, jab step, fadeway shots. Those aren't his game at all. Not using it the whole damn game they aren't. But i don't see any reason he can't be effective in the years to come. Take care of your body and you will be fine. And it's harder for shorter combo-guard to work on perimeter game then some swingman, which is taller. I am sure he will work on his game in any case, with the new chip or falling short again. | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
On June 14 2012 03:45 saladToss wrote: Wade has made his career out of throwing himself in to the lane out of control, throwing up a prayer, and getting bailed out by the referees. The refs aren't calling it anymore. He lives and dies by the refs. He was never a superstar talent, but merely a product of terrible officiating, which he built his game off of. Maybe he will return to his former "glory", but it's not in his control. Oh come on I wouldn't go that far. Of course he's a superstar talent. I don't know if his short comings this postseason are a result of age or whatever, but I'm very hesitant to say the writing is on the wall for him. His numbers this year are all pretty much the same or similar to last year's save 3 ppg less with a similar field goal %. Yes, he hasn't performed well in this year's playoffs, but that hardly translates to father time catching up with him considering his performance this entire messed up year is still consistent. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On June 14 2012 03:58 Bonzinator wrote: Truth be told, i maybe didn't understand what was the post originally about. I just didn't like AI and Wade in the same post. And i don't mind taking heat and being defensive a bit, someone has to do it with all whats going on. Sure he has to adept his game more to the perimeter and work on the J and post game more. Talking about those dribble, jab step, fadeway shots. Those aren't his game at all. Not using it the whole damn game they aren't. But i don't see any reason he can't be effective in the years to come. Take care of your body and you will be fine. And it's harder for shorter combo-guard to work on perimeter game then some swingman, which is taller. I am sure he will work on his game in any case, with the new chip or falling short again. Problem is his body may already be gone. I would not be suprised at all to hear a "Wade to Germany" story pop up in the off season. The knee is the kiss of death for a player. Once those start to go you are going to be in trouble. The question becomes wether or not 80% of Wade is good enough to support Lebron when he is getting paid like he is 100% of Wade, and ensuring that there will be no additional help because of a lack of money. | ||
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Bonzinator
Slovenia862 Posts
On June 14 2012 04:26 Two_DoWn wrote: Problem is his body may already be gone. I would not be suprised at all to hear a "Wade to Germany" story pop up in the off season. The knee is the kiss of death for a player. Once those start to go you are going to be in trouble. The question becomes wether or not 80% of Wade is good enough to support Lebron when he is getting paid like he is 100% of Wade, and ensuring that there will be no additional help because of a lack of money. Won't mind that trip to Germany for that knee problems get fixed. Wade had similar problems with it a few years back. Turned out great for him after the rest. Sick season with the team and with team USA. To answer your question, i think 80% of Wade is still good enough to support LeBron. But no doubt they need some talent of the bench to bring energy on the positions, especially creating the shots for themselfs, SF and SG. And a proper C wouldn't hurt as well. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 14 2012 03:58 Bonzinator wrote: Truth be told, i maybe didn't understand what was the post originally about. I just didn't like AI and Wade in the same post. And i don't mind taking heat and being defensive a bit, someone has to do it with all whats going on. Sure he has to adept his game more to the perimeter and work on the J and post game more. Talking about those dribble, jab step, fadeway shots. Those aren't his game at all. Not using it the whole damn game they aren't. But i don't see any reason he can't be effective in the years to come. Take care of your body and you will be fine. And it's harder for shorter combo-guard to work on perimeter game then some swingman, which is taller. I am sure he will work on his game in any case, with the new chip or falling short again. He cannot and will not be able to maintain the way he plays in the coming years. Every player who has been successful at that age has reinvented themselves. Theres no reason he shouldnt be able to if hes good enough, and make no mistake to be as effective or close to as effective as he is. He will have to. Father time man. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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thuracine
United States582 Posts
Good luck Seattle | ||
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