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On April 10 2012 08:41 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 08:39 Swwww wrote:
Maybe when the western pro gamers stop bragging about how little they practise and quit everything (including secondary education) to devote themselves to playing starcraft we will see a balanced scene. Until then, the Korean players will dominate. This is not a bad thing and anyone who says Korean domination of esports is in fact a bad thing is just a moron. Because we all just have money flowing out of our pockets, none of us have to pay expenditures out of pocket while trying to practice 10 hours a day?
Because we all are forced to play SC2 as a full time job instead of just going to school and making a living like most other people... please. If it's not feasible, it's not feasible.
Limiting Koreans so that foreigners can fight for the scraps of the prize pool is ridiculous. You think that money is going to buy team houses and trips to other countries and food? No sports team relies solely on winnings... that's just not sustainable.
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Maybe, if each foreigner country sacrifices a virgin upon the harvest moon, we might appease the Koreans so they let us compete in peace without the constant threat of them stealing our beloved prize monies.
...Seriously wasn't there a thread relating to the same topic up not 2 weeks ago. This IPL was fucking AMAZING, and I bring it up because I'm assuming 15/16 Koreans in the championship bracket this weekend might have influenced this post. I know there are people that want to see foreigners win, but the interplay between foreigners and Koreans bring about more hype and more viewership than a bunch of foreigners in a tourney with some Koreans. Your quote would hurt the general idea behind invitational tournaments, and team interplay to find and agree on the top 6 or 7 candidates from a country would be quite difficult without the necessary hassle and preparation of a qualifier...then you're just placing the burden on them. Have open brackets, have regional qualifiers, and whoever gets the spots fucking deserves it.
The reason a lot of foreigner pros are up in arms at the moment regarding Korean entry into tournaments is that there isn't enough footroom to establish yourself in the scene, with more qualifiers if you legitimately have the skill needed to break into the scene....you'll break into it. Look at Illusion, he takes out some Koreans in a teamleague, including some current or ex code S players, BOOM featured and a large fanbase. If tourments have open qualifiers and foreigners get in, it will solve the problem. If they get streamrolled by Koreans before the cutoff...too bad. Why should we sympathize, there will always be a way to get your foot in the door if you put the work in.
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Northern Ireland25448 Posts
On April 10 2012 08:43 SilentSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 08:29 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 08:24 FairForever wrote:On April 10 2012 08:19 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 08:12 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 10 2012 08:06 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 07:59 KaptenCulpa wrote:On April 10 2012 07:37 tranmillitary wrote:
so instead of having nestea, mma, bomber, leenock, mc, MKP, squirtle, alive, jjakji, taeja, ganzi... ect... u want a tourney with just 2 of them??
so this weekend full of crazy and great games, you would rather pay to watch no name players and players worst than incontrol play?? The sport won't grow if the games are crap. I'd pay to watch those koreans play rather than 2 random masters or grandmasters (NA and Europe servers) players.
This was probably one of the greatest tourneys i've ever watched. This was like a whole season of GSL in 3 days. Who else wouldn't want that?? i guess some people just blindly hate. Did you read my thread. In my suggestion I hinted that I a least thought that having more then half of the final 20 from one country would be too much to be good for the sport. This would more then make room for the korean top players, but not the whole top 20 of them. I have no hate against Koreans or anyone in the SC2 world, i simply dont have that much feelings about SC2 and its comunity to hate anyone. I argue for what I think would be best for Starcraft 2 as an e-sport. The things i prupose is commonplace in the world of sports, the olympics for one have limits on countries. The FIfa world cup have reginal qualifiers wich are far more difficult in for example europe then on many other continents. I am not talking about anything that isent sommonplace in the rest of the sportsworld. And people are asking how your suggestion is better for "E-Sports" than Korean domination? You would lessen the competition. As other people have suggested, let's remove Black people from NBA, remove Canadians and Russians from Hockey, Dominicans from Baseball, and Europeans from Football/Soccer... Really? They have Football/soccer league in the USA called the MLS, it stands for Major League Soccer. No one watches it. You know why? Because if you watch European Football you get to watch a the sport as such a higher level that it really isn't the same game anymore. It's a false comparison though. For a start with professional sports, the financial payoffs for even the average pro in the States are well worth the level of sacrifice required, if you're on that level it is much less of a risk. In addition there is a safety net of sorts for those who get college athletic scholarships, i.e they don't have to sacrifice their education to pursue their dream, if they don't quite make it they still get a bit of a leg up in the job market. Starcraft isn't comparable in the West at all, although the infrastructure is getting better in that regard. Not sure how to fix it really, the problem is that the system isn't really meritocratic with regards to how the money is spread around. There are players who are financially a lot better off than others with much more ability and drive because they are personalities, or they were in the right place in the right time. For somebody coming in now it's not an attractive career choice, compete to become some kind of hybrid player/entertainment personality, or try to compete against Koreans and their well-established infrastructure which (in addition to a solid work ethic) aids them immensely in actually winning things. I don't understand where the comparison fails. I am really struggling to see your point, and I don't mean to be rude. The fact is, there's more than enough money in the Foreign scene to support a number of pros, team house, all expenses, I mean there's already a number of Foreign pro houses where all players do is sit and play SC2. The thing is, these teams with all the money are deciding to just buy Korean players because they are actually just better than any of the foreign players. No there aren't. The one successful one I can think of is the EG Lair. Other ones from "established" teams such as RGN have died off. It's not a profitable enterprise, cost of living is high, etc. Teams and competitions should do what's in their best interest, which is to hire/bring Koreans. But that is going to lead to the death of the foreign scene. Really?? There are a bunch of SC2 houses in Europe. A relatively unknown team Dust recently had a post saying they had a team house... Complexity could have used all the money they spend buying Nada, Killer, Heart, Ganzi to build a fucking team house... but they didn't. And really I as well as many others don't care about the "foreign scene". If it dies, it wasn't meant to be. It wasn't because there were too many Koreans. If it dies I will still be able to play SC2. If it dies I will still be able to watch Koreans, the players I actually wanted to watch in the first place. I don't even think foreign teams want to have team houses in the first place because of the chance of failure(RGN is one that comes to mind). That's why they want to sign Korean players because they have the better chance of improving and winning(this is more to Complexity then other teams). On-topic, Koreans are dominate because they practice harder than foreigners. Simple as that, and it's not a problem.
Teamhouses are difficult to organise in the States due to the sheer geographical size of the place, likewise the size of Europe. I had a search for the thread but couldn't find it alas, but I found it interesting that one of the reasons put forward for the strength of the Korean scene is that it's centred around Seoul. Having a centralised 'hub' for Starcraft, where most of the pros end up based, just helps to foster a competitive scene there.
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Actually depending on the location of the team house it can pay for Itself with all the money the team would save on plane tickets and such, the real problem is filling it with players who would be willing to make that sacrifice.
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Well you just need the same kind of environment that you have in south korea or real sports. Main stream media coverage, team houses, personal coaches, prestigous, well organized tourneys, a lot of fans and an organization like Kespa/FIFA to represent StarCraft2/E-Sports.
Then the non korean societies will look at professional StarCraft2 players the same way they look at let's say a professional tennis player. Young men will think of it as a career choice and not something you do for a couple of years beacuse its fun and easy money. And these young men will probably be able to compete with koreans since they too start to play StarCraft2 when they are 10 years old.
So yeah, I guess it's not going to happen anytime soon.
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On April 10 2012 08:45 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 08:41 FairForever wrote:On April 10 2012 08:39 Swwww wrote:
Maybe when the western pro gamers stop bragging about how little they practise and quit everything (including secondary education) to devote themselves to playing starcraft we will see a balanced scene. Until then, the Korean players will dominate. This is not a bad thing and anyone who says Korean domination of esports is in fact a bad thing is just a moron. Because we all just have money flowing out of our pockets, none of us have to pay expenditures out of pocket while trying to practice 10 hours a day? Because we all are forced to play SC2 as a full time job instead of just going to school and making a living like most other people... please. If it's not feasible, it's not feasible. Limiting Koreans so that foreigners can fight for the scraps of the prize pool is ridiculous. You think that money is going to buy team houses and trips to other countries and food? No sports team relies solely on winnings... that's just not sustainable.
Okay, fine. So the foreigner scene dies.
I know that's okay with you, but that's not okay with a lot of people, and SC2 as a whole will suffer if that happens. There's a reason why GOM keeps inviting foreigners to play in Code A and S even if most of them won't win a single game, let alone a match.
If all organizations thought like you did then no developing country would work to improve any of their sports teams, because they'll never be as successful as the big names anyway.
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On April 10 2012 08:43 SilentSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 08:29 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 08:24 FairForever wrote:On April 10 2012 08:19 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 08:12 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 10 2012 08:06 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 07:59 KaptenCulpa wrote:On April 10 2012 07:37 tranmillitary wrote:
so instead of having nestea, mma, bomber, leenock, mc, MKP, squirtle, alive, jjakji, taeja, ganzi... ect... u want a tourney with just 2 of them??
so this weekend full of crazy and great games, you would rather pay to watch no name players and players worst than incontrol play?? The sport won't grow if the games are crap. I'd pay to watch those koreans play rather than 2 random masters or grandmasters (NA and Europe servers) players.
This was probably one of the greatest tourneys i've ever watched. This was like a whole season of GSL in 3 days. Who else wouldn't want that?? i guess some people just blindly hate. Did you read my thread. In my suggestion I hinted that I a least thought that having more then half of the final 20 from one country would be too much to be good for the sport. This would more then make room for the korean top players, but not the whole top 20 of them. I have no hate against Koreans or anyone in the SC2 world, i simply dont have that much feelings about SC2 and its comunity to hate anyone. I argue for what I think would be best for Starcraft 2 as an e-sport. The things i prupose is commonplace in the world of sports, the olympics for one have limits on countries. The FIfa world cup have reginal qualifiers wich are far more difficult in for example europe then on many other continents. I am not talking about anything that isent sommonplace in the rest of the sportsworld. And people are asking how your suggestion is better for "E-Sports" than Korean domination? You would lessen the competition. As other people have suggested, let's remove Black people from NBA, remove Canadians and Russians from Hockey, Dominicans from Baseball, and Europeans from Football/Soccer... Really? They have Football/soccer league in the USA called the MLS, it stands for Major League Soccer. No one watches it. You know why? Because if you watch European Football you get to watch a the sport as such a higher level that it really isn't the same game anymore. It's a false comparison though. For a start with professional sports, the financial payoffs for even the average pro in the States are well worth the level of sacrifice required, if you're on that level it is much less of a risk. In addition there is a safety net of sorts for those who get college athletic scholarships, i.e they don't have to sacrifice their education to pursue their dream, if they don't quite make it they still get a bit of a leg up in the job market. Starcraft isn't comparable in the West at all, although the infrastructure is getting better in that regard. Not sure how to fix it really, the problem is that the system isn't really meritocratic with regards to how the money is spread around. There are players who are financially a lot better off than others with much more ability and drive because they are personalities, or they were in the right place in the right time. For somebody coming in now it's not an attractive career choice, compete to become some kind of hybrid player/entertainment personality, or try to compete against Koreans and their well-established infrastructure which (in addition to a solid work ethic) aids them immensely in actually winning things. I don't understand where the comparison fails. I am really struggling to see your point, and I don't mean to be rude. The fact is, there's more than enough money in the Foreign scene to support a number of pros, team house, all expenses, I mean there's already a number of Foreign pro houses where all players do is sit and play SC2. The thing is, these teams with all the money are deciding to just buy Korean players because they are actually just better than any of the foreign players. No there aren't. The one successful one I can think of is the EG Lair. Other ones from "established" teams such as RGN have died off. It's not a profitable enterprise, cost of living is high, etc. Teams and competitions should do what's in their best interest, which is to hire/bring Koreans. But that is going to lead to the death of the foreign scene. Really?? There are a bunch of SC2 houses in Europe. A relatively unknown team Dust recently had a post saying they had a team house... Complexity could have used all the money they spend buying Nada, Killer, Heart, Ganzi to build a fucking team house... but they didn't. And really I as well as many others don't care about the "foreign scene". If it dies, it wasn't meant to be. It wasn't because there were too many Koreans. If it dies I will still be able to play SC2. If it dies I will still be able to watch Koreans, the players I actually wanted to watch in the first place. I don't even think foreign teams want to have team houses in the first place because of the chance of failure(RGN is one that comes to mind). That's why they want to sign Korean players because they have the better chance of improving and winning(this is more to Complexity then other teams). On-topic, Koreans are dominate because they practice harder than foreigners. Simple as that, and it's not a problem.
if you look at some foreigner teamhouses (EG), you'll see what a joke it is.
players like incontrol can't even beat players who don't play full time, despite being in a gaming house for over half a year.
gathering a bunch of trash players won't make them good, and foreign managers understand that.
tbh, the only way a team house can succeed in america is if you import some good koreans over, and have them practice with a very SELECT GROUP of good foreigners in NA.
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On April 10 2012 08:46 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 08:43 SilentSC2 wrote:On April 10 2012 08:29 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 08:24 FairForever wrote:On April 10 2012 08:19 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 08:12 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 10 2012 08:06 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 07:59 KaptenCulpa wrote:On April 10 2012 07:37 tranmillitary wrote:
so instead of having nestea, mma, bomber, leenock, mc, MKP, squirtle, alive, jjakji, taeja, ganzi... ect... u want a tourney with just 2 of them??
so this weekend full of crazy and great games, you would rather pay to watch no name players and players worst than incontrol play?? The sport won't grow if the games are crap. I'd pay to watch those koreans play rather than 2 random masters or grandmasters (NA and Europe servers) players.
This was probably one of the greatest tourneys i've ever watched. This was like a whole season of GSL in 3 days. Who else wouldn't want that?? i guess some people just blindly hate. Did you read my thread. In my suggestion I hinted that I a least thought that having more then half of the final 20 from one country would be too much to be good for the sport. This would more then make room for the korean top players, but not the whole top 20 of them. I have no hate against Koreans or anyone in the SC2 world, i simply dont have that much feelings about SC2 and its comunity to hate anyone. I argue for what I think would be best for Starcraft 2 as an e-sport. The things i prupose is commonplace in the world of sports, the olympics for one have limits on countries. The FIfa world cup have reginal qualifiers wich are far more difficult in for example europe then on many other continents. I am not talking about anything that isent sommonplace in the rest of the sportsworld. And people are asking how your suggestion is better for "E-Sports" than Korean domination? You would lessen the competition. As other people have suggested, let's remove Black people from NBA, remove Canadians and Russians from Hockey, Dominicans from Baseball, and Europeans from Football/Soccer... Really? They have Football/soccer league in the USA called the MLS, it stands for Major League Soccer. No one watches it. You know why? Because if you watch European Football you get to watch a the sport as such a higher level that it really isn't the same game anymore. It's a false comparison though. For a start with professional sports, the financial payoffs for even the average pro in the States are well worth the level of sacrifice required, if you're on that level it is much less of a risk. In addition there is a safety net of sorts for those who get college athletic scholarships, i.e they don't have to sacrifice their education to pursue their dream, if they don't quite make it they still get a bit of a leg up in the job market. Starcraft isn't comparable in the West at all, although the infrastructure is getting better in that regard. Not sure how to fix it really, the problem is that the system isn't really meritocratic with regards to how the money is spread around. There are players who are financially a lot better off than others with much more ability and drive because they are personalities, or they were in the right place in the right time. For somebody coming in now it's not an attractive career choice, compete to become some kind of hybrid player/entertainment personality, or try to compete against Koreans and their well-established infrastructure which (in addition to a solid work ethic) aids them immensely in actually winning things. I don't understand where the comparison fails. I am really struggling to see your point, and I don't mean to be rude. The fact is, there's more than enough money in the Foreign scene to support a number of pros, team house, all expenses, I mean there's already a number of Foreign pro houses where all players do is sit and play SC2. The thing is, these teams with all the money are deciding to just buy Korean players because they are actually just better than any of the foreign players. No there aren't. The one successful one I can think of is the EG Lair. Other ones from "established" teams such as RGN have died off. It's not a profitable enterprise, cost of living is high, etc. Teams and competitions should do what's in their best interest, which is to hire/bring Koreans. But that is going to lead to the death of the foreign scene. Really?? There are a bunch of SC2 houses in Europe. A relatively unknown team Dust recently had a post saying they had a team house... Complexity could have used all the money they spend buying Nada, Killer, Heart, Ganzi to build a fucking team house... but they didn't. And really I as well as many others don't care about the "foreign scene". If it dies, it wasn't meant to be. It wasn't because there were too many Koreans. If it dies I will still be able to play SC2. If it dies I will still be able to watch Koreans, the players I actually wanted to watch in the first place. I don't even think foreign teams want to have team houses in the first place because of the chance of failure(RGN is one that comes to mind). That's why they want to sign Korean players because they have the better chance of improving and winning(this is more to Complexity then other teams). On-topic, Koreans are dominate because they practice harder than foreigners. Simple as that, and it's not a problem. Teamhouses are difficult to organise in the States due to the sheer geographical size of the place, likewise the size of Europe. I had a search for the thread but couldn't find it alas, but I found it interesting that one of the reasons put forward for the strength of the Korean scene is that it's centred around Seoul. Having a centralised 'hub' for Starcraft, where most of the pros end up based, just helps to foster a competitive scene there.
I agree completely that it's difficult to organize, of course, but that might just be another reason why they pick up Korean players instead of putting money into team houses.
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The best solution for big international tournaments is to have regional qualifiers based on country of citizenship. For example, the NA region contains people who are citizens of the US, Canada, and the countries in South America. The number of slots assigned to each region depends on the level of involvement desired from that region by the tournament - for example, a league that wants to focus on NA players invites 50% of its players from NA, while reserving the rest for people outside NA.
I want to reiterate that the solution here is not to raise the skill level of NA and EU. That's not going to happen, and was the subject of several other threads made about a week ago besides.
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Why is Brazil so good at soccer?
There is a history and culture. Passion and a foundation of development for youth and a deeper understanding throughout the entire system as well as the positive outlook from the rest of society.
Nobody asks why are they good when they do well or try to get them banned? They're just good and you enjoy the beautiful game.
This sort of constant whining about a nation displaying such dominance is really pathetic.
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Putting a restriction on the amount of korean players that can enter an event would only degrade the quality of matches that would be seen and have a negative effect on the tournament. The reason why people love seeing many koreans at events is because they bring higher quality of games and that is what people want to see. Not many people paid attention to the previous NASL because they didn't really have any koreans in it and nobody wanted to watch lower level play from foreigners.
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If foreigners want to win more they have to practice more as well.
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On April 10 2012 08:49 epik640x wrote:
Why is Brazil so good at soccer?
There is a history and culture. Passion and a foundation of development for youth and a deeper understanding throughout the entire system as well as the positive outlook from the rest of society.
Nobody asks why are they good when they do well or try to get them banned? They're just good and you enjoy the beautiful game.
This sort of constant whining about a nation displaying such dominance is really pathetic.
Well the same Brazilians don't dominate La Liga/Premier League/etc.at the same time, so I'm not sure what you're trying to get at.
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Personally its not the foreigner work ethic being the problem as much as it is a lack of collaboration. Several posts have mentioned or discussed how Koreans have a kind of unity in dominating, working together despite team differences to improve weaknesses. I believe it was actually a post Naniwa made regarding how Koreans even band together to assure a Korean will advance in a tournament over a foreigner.
Foreign sc players need to get over their massive egos on "superior skill" (*cough* players like IdrA) and need to be more willing to share constructive criticism and feedback with each other on how to improve, modifications in builds, insights into a particular matchup, etc. If we cannot come together and be open to the ideas of others, we will always come last.
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I'm a Korean living in New Zealand, and would say I'm biased towards Korean players as a result.
I'm actually more inclined to agree with limiting Korean participation in foreign events. I don't see this as racist, because the intention behind such move is not because you don't like Koreans, it's because _everyone_ wants to watch the people they can most relate to and cheer them on. This, for most people's cases, will be their own countrymen.
I think the "I want to see the absolute best games" argument is a little insubstantial. You've got the top 8 to look forward to, and even with minimal Korean attendance, you'll get to watch it. My argument is that you should also be able to watch your favourite players/countrymen duke it out as well.
Personally, this is how I'd host a tournament in the US:
Regional qualifiers for Asia/Europe: 8x players each
Open bracket tournament for Americas: 16~48 players _only_ for residents of US <-- this is the key change I'd make to tournaments like MLG arenas, who already do the regional qualifiers
This way, you get the superstars from Europe/Asia, but you also get HEAPS of exposure for homegrown talent in the open brackets, as well as watch them battle it out with the best of the world. Who cares, then, if you get top 8 Koreans + Stephano? You got to watch dozens of games of your favourite players, and possibly some upsets along the way.
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Starcraft is not different than the nba. NBA is dominated badly by the USA. It is one of the most popular sports in the world and Lebron/jordan/kobe/wade dominate. Maybe instead of trying to make excuses for foreigners, why not push them to be better? Idra/huk/stephano/white-ra/dimaga they all play as much as any korean. Maru is 14 or 15 and is already better than 99 percent of the pro-foreign players. I'm pretty sure they're millions and millions of 14/15 year olds in europe and north america who play SC as much as maru.
Just maybe, it's natural talent? Some people just have it. Instead of making excuses, why not just embrace it? I support Huk as much as any canadian, but he's not as good as the top koreans. HE WON AT MLG orlando. Where was this thread when he won the MLG over a bunch of Code S koreans? Nani beat nestea ... twice in the same tourney.
I would watch Kobe vs lebron any day of the week over dirk vs pau gasol. Ask yourself this question, if you put up 100 000 dollars of your own money, u would want TT1 and incontrol to play in the round robin over Nestea and MKP? No one is gonna pay money to watch TT1 or incontrol play a close game. People will pay just to watch Nestea or MKP.
Take some business courses people. It's easy as cash flow/stability.
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Northern Ireland25448 Posts
On April 10 2012 08:49 epik640x wrote:
Why is Brazil so good at soccer?
There is a history and culture. Passion and a foundation of development for youth and a deeper understanding throughout the entire system as well as the positive outlook from the rest of society.
Nobody asks why are they good when they do well or try to get them banned? They're just good and you enjoy the beautiful game.
This sort of constant whining about a nation displaying such dominance is really pathetic.
They don't have to be banned because there is sufficient money in the game elsewhere that it doesn't retard the development of professional players in other regions of the world. Again football goes back a good few years to get to this point, but it also developed in a less globalised age where people just didn't travel as much and localised leagues developed to the massive size they are now. Brazil exports literally hundreds of players around the world, but due to football's mass popularity and the money flowing around in the game, this isn't to the detriment of the development of players in say, England. The infrastructure has developed to such a point where it doesn't take a hit with the importation of foreign players.
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On April 10 2012 08:46 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 08:45 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 08:41 FairForever wrote:On April 10 2012 08:39 Swwww wrote:
Maybe when the western pro gamers stop bragging about how little they practise and quit everything (including secondary education) to devote themselves to playing starcraft we will see a balanced scene. Until then, the Korean players will dominate. This is not a bad thing and anyone who says Korean domination of esports is in fact a bad thing is just a moron. Because we all just have money flowing out of our pockets, none of us have to pay expenditures out of pocket while trying to practice 10 hours a day? Because we all are forced to play SC2 as a full time job instead of just going to school and making a living like most other people... please. If it's not feasible, it's not feasible. Limiting Koreans so that foreigners can fight for the scraps of the prize pool is ridiculous. You think that money is going to buy team houses and trips to other countries and food? No sports team relies solely on winnings... that's just not sustainable. Okay, fine. So the foreigner scene dies. I know that's okay with you, but that's not okay with a lot of people, and SC2 as a whole will suffer if that happens. There's a reason why GOM keeps inviting foreigners to play in Code A and S even if most of them won't win a single game, let alone a match. If all organizations thought like you did then no developing country would work to improve any of their sports teams, because they'll never be as successful as the big names anyway.
There is so much more money in the sports you are talking about as well as widespread support from the general population that any comparison is faulty. Aside from that, the best players go to whatever country has the best competition. American sports are filled with foreigners who were good enough to get the opportunity to play in the best league. Doesn't stop anyone from enjoying them. SC2 is the same. Nationality, ethnicity, gender, sexual preference, etc. should not apply, only skill and results.
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On April 10 2012 07:06 yawnoC wrote:
Foreigners just need to work harder and stop making excuses. End of story.
Along those lines eSports needs to GROW! with more growth more people will be attracted to SC2 with more people attracted to SC2 the higher the chances of a Foreign Bonjwa being born INCREASES! its numbers people!
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