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On April 11 2012 06:41 RageBot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 06:35 Pantythief wrote:On April 11 2012 06:33 RageBot wrote:On April 11 2012 06:26 ghrur wrote:On April 11 2012 06:22 RageBot wrote:On April 11 2012 06:15 Pantythief wrote:On April 11 2012 06:13 yourself2k8 wrote:
This will surely only be made worse once/if KeSPA players move over to SC2. I'd be more concerned about what will happen when that swap happens than how things are now, but I guess you have to start somewhere. At least now foreigners can compete with the koreans. Nestea has said a few times that once the rest of the BW scene switches there will be another tier of play in SC2. Unless the KeSPA players are yet again not allowed to travel to foreign events. WORSE? What's wrong with Koreans? This thread is getting more and more racist by the minute. "Let's ban Korean players because they're so much better than us." That'll make a good example of e-sports and competition in general. Mods should seriously ban every person who calls another one racist on this thread. If I change the word "Korean" to "People who can't speak english, are completely shy and are an uninteresting personality with usually boring, although mechanically precise gameplay" is that okay? Even if 99% of all the Korean players fall into this category? I love how you perpetuate incorrect stereotypes. I guess all Chinese people study hard, want to be a doctor or lawyer, have a 4.0 GPA, are world-level at math, and have tiny eyes.Would it be alright to say that just those people shouldn't participate in tournaments even though 99% of all Chinese people fall into this category? I guess all black people have guns, commit crimes, wear hoodies, and are deviants. Is it alright if I change my description of black to that even though 99% of black people fall into this category? Stereotypes exist mostly because they are true for a number of people of said ethnicity/race/whatever compared to the general population. Now, the funny thing is that I didn't say that all of the Koreans are like that, but most of them. Anyway - here's something for you to try, can you give me ten quotes from Korean player, who don't include Boxer, MC, MKP or DRG, without actively looking for them? ??? What does quotes have to do with this? Well, how about you read the thread, as to why people don't want that many Koreans, and you'll find out?
Alright, so let me get this straight. You're a supporter of "let's cater to worse players, who are not Asian, by the way, because they are not Asian, but good players regardless. I support this, because I don't want to be a minority in the white-dude StarCraft society.", or am I missing something in your bulletproof argument?
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On April 11 2012 06:44 RageBot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 06:40 ghrur wrote:On April 11 2012 06:38 murkk wrote:
There is nothing racist about not caring about a bunch of Koreans playing - I'm sure they have their own fans at home and abroad. If you can't understand this, you're probably too dumb to dress yourself in the morning.
It's also fine to say that foreigners are essentially too bright on par to spend practically every waking moment for decade long spans playing a computer game.
SC2 isn't and never will be a game that can hold the attention of anything other than an insanely tiny sample of the population of North America. The growth of this game as an "eSport" is essentially the proper mobilization of this niche group in terms of marketing and product improvement.
IE... you create a good tourney with tops players so the hardcore fans are willing to spend $10-50 a weekend to watch it. Note: I never said anyone was racist for not caring about Koreans. I simply think it's stupid to stereotype a whole group of people based on a few and accept that as 99% true. And if I would've changed that to 80%, would you still consider that as "racist"? I think I could actually make a list of Koreans who most western fans would find boring by than.
Nice strawman. I never said it your 99% comment was racist. I called it stupid. You know, dumb, foolish, unintelligent, moronic, naive... right? And 80% doesn't change the fact that it's a stupid comment to make considering the qualities you're ascribing to Koreans are just as stupid as those assigned to Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman. Hoodies = Bad guy == Koreans = Boring players. Btw, I'm sure I could come up with thiefs wearing hoodies as examples too.
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On April 11 2012 06:46 fishjie wrote:
don't worry as i've said before, with blizzard continuing to dumb down sc2 with a-move death balls and AOE, i'm sure by the final expansion foreigners will be able to compete!
There are plenty of other games out there 
Tribes ascend is pretty awesome, free to play, and much better than vengeance. Try it out!
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On April 11 2012 06:42 RageBot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 06:38 kafkaesque wrote:On April 11 2012 06:33 RageBot wrote:On April 11 2012 06:26 ghrur wrote:On April 11 2012 06:22 RageBot wrote:On April 11 2012 06:15 Pantythief wrote:On April 11 2012 06:13 yourself2k8 wrote:
This will surely only be made worse once/if KeSPA players move over to SC2. I'd be more concerned about what will happen when that swap happens than how things are now, but I guess you have to start somewhere. At least now foreigners can compete with the koreans. Nestea has said a few times that once the rest of the BW scene switches there will be another tier of play in SC2. Unless the KeSPA players are yet again not allowed to travel to foreign events. WORSE? What's wrong with Koreans? This thread is getting more and more racist by the minute. "Let's ban Korean players because they're so much better than us." That'll make a good example of e-sports and competition in general. Mods should seriously ban every person who calls another one racist on this thread. If I change the word "Korean" to "People who can't speak english, are completely shy and are an uninteresting personality with usually boring, although mechanically precise gameplay" is that okay? Even if 99% of all the Korean players fall into this category? I love how you perpetuate incorrect stereotypes. I guess all Chinese people study hard, want to be a doctor or lawyer, have a 4.0 GPA, are world-level at math, and have tiny eyes.Would it be alright to say that just those people shouldn't participate in tournaments even though 99% of all Chinese people fall into this category? I guess all black people have guns, commit crimes, wear hoodies, and are deviants. Is it alright if I change my description of black to that even though 99% of black people fall into this category? Stereotypes exist mostly because they are true for a number of people of said ethnicity/race/whatever compared to the general population. Now, the funny thing is that I didn't say that all of the Koreans are like that, but most of them. Anyway - here's something for you to try, can you give me ten quotes from Korean player, who don't include Boxer, MC, MKP or DRG, without actively looking for them? Can you give me a single quote from a foreign player? It's not like they are spewing out quoteworthy wisdom by the minute... I certainly could not. Your points are really questionable, to say the least. "It's okay" - Naniwa.
wow really now?
Btw i love how you say "don't quote the famous koreans" yet you are doing exactly the same for foreigners.
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Wow, I seriously can't handle the ignorance of the posters here, read what is the defintion of "hate", read what is the definition of "racism", read why people don't want 30 Koreans in a tournemant, realize that you are all a minority of the viewerbase of SC2 (there's evidance for this on this thread) and that most people aren't like you.
There's so many pretentious, close-minded people, who don't try to understand what they are being told, who go into name calling and strawman arguments as their first option in an argument and can only see the world from their own viewpoint.
To the guy who asked me about the quotes, yeah, I guess that this wasn't a good meter, I think "knowing stuff about a person outside of how they play" would've been a better way to show that people tend to know a lot more about foreign players than about koreans ones, but... meh.
A question to the mods - can you ban me from posting for the next week? It will really help me.
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On April 11 2012 06:43 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 06:38 murkk wrote:
There is nothing racist about not caring about a bunch of Koreans playing - I'm sure they have their own fans at home and abroad. If you can't understand this, you're probably too dumb to dress yourself in the morning.
It's also fine to say that foreigners are essentially too bright on par to spend practically every waking moment for decade long spans playing a computer game.
SC2 isn't and never will be a game that can hold the attention of anything other than an insanely tiny sample of the population of North America. The growth of this game as an "eSport" is essentially the proper mobilization of this niche group in terms of marketing and product improvement.
IE... you create a good tourney with tops players so the hardcore fans are willing to spend $10-50 a weekend to watch it. So, basically what you just said is that there's nothing racist about not liking Koreans, and it's alright to assume that people who are not Asian are too smart to be spending most of their time on a computer game, and this is how you would describe this "situation", is that correct?
I'll go slow for you. It's alright not to care about an athlete, team, political party, news events etc based on geographical and social/political disparties. This is not racisim. I like the Boston Bruins in the NHL. I could care less about wtf is happening in the Swedish Elite League at the moment. It has nothing to do with me hating the Swiss. Most of the real world operates like this. Please go outside into the sunlight and experiment with interacting with people.
The average person in North America have a different social / economic situation and are probably in a better overall situation than most people in asia at the moment. It is what it is. Most people understand this and work with what is in the best interest. Again, if you don't understand this, please go outside and interact with a human being.
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On April 11 2012 06:51 ishyishy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 06:46 fishjie wrote:
don't worry as i've said before, with blizzard continuing to dumb down sc2 with a-move death balls and AOE, i'm sure by the final expansion foreigners will be able to compete! There are plenty of other games out there Tribes ascend is pretty awesome, free to play, and much better than vengeance. Try it out!
Personally I never played or watched much BW but I understand people's frustration about how *boring* sc2 is in comparison. I guess its because I played MVC2 a lot, and MVC3 is a dumbed down kid friendly version of the game. When a game takes less skill, its not only less fun to play, its less fun to watch.
But hey if foreigners are gonna stand a chance, best to take skill out of the equation. Also helps max out profits.
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