EPTGSTL controversy [Spoiler alert] - Page 5
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mrlie3
Canada350 Posts
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
Had that been Huk or stephano who dc'd in that circumstance, would the community be in the same perspective? Maybe, maybe not, but I definitely think the rules and standards on when the games should be called should be a bit clearer. | ||
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Akhee
Brazil811 Posts
i support the regame, i mean, what to do in this horrible situation? everything would be bad, we can just blame blizzard and be glad they gave the most neutral decision | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On April 09 2012 00:05 mrlie3 wrote: Also, people say PartinG had zealots and HTs to finish MKP off, but as we have seen from that game as well as the regame, MKP's insane micro made him almost immune to this composition. Only reason PartinG was ahead at that point was that he had three aoe units (HT, Archon, Colossi) during the big fight in the middle, and this composition was gone by the time when mkp got dc'd. So given MKP's micro at the time, finishing him off with only pure zealots and HTs might be questionable. First of all: Parting was only ahead because he used aoe units in, what i consider, the most common unit composition in TvP? What does that even mean? MKP had medivacs, vikings, and ghosts in that fight and had practically none left after the engagement. He also had three more rax for marauder production that he was either going to lose or have to slowly fly over to his main while Parting's economy and production was fully intact. Parting didn't need to just crush MKP right away but just poke while reinforcing and then just rolling MKP with faster reinforcements due to chrono'ed warpgates and the fact that MKP probably would have to pull workers to even survive at all. | ||
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Ucs
264 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On April 09 2012 00:02 Micket wrote: All it would take for Marineking to come back would be to win 1 engagement, with a drop in the background doing lots of damage. Hardly impossible. This seems more or less impossible if only because he didn't have any medivacs remaining and Parting was clearly going to force an engagement. MKP was going to have to have his next cycle of medivacs (probably his next two cycles) with his main army or it would be a complete walkover, so drops weren't coming for a while. The only scenario where MKP would win would be Parting completely throwing the game, as far as I can tell. And that's always possible in any disconnect, so you might as well just regame everything then. | ||
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ckunkel1
United States181 Posts
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Slipspace
United States381 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.minus.com/ixJESV41QDEnG.gif) you can do it Parting !! YES!! YES!! ..NOOO WTF! User was warned for this post | ||
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Rowa
Belgium962 Posts
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Str1keFreedom
United States112 Posts
But before a player enters a tournament, he/she agrees to accept decisions made by referees of the tournament. According to the koeran cast of GSTL the ref made his decison for regame because he saw that the gateway waprin was used in Parting's main. There were also no proxy pylon to supplement the army faster. Is that the correct decision? Everyone has a different opinion. But the fact is it is a decision made by ref and it is something the players and the viewers must accept. Do not take it out on the players, GSL, or the refs. Blame the internet connection issues, and leave it at that. The players, refs, and the organization did their best to accomodate the situation. | ||
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Dismay
United States1180 Posts
On April 09 2012 00:19 Str1keFreedom wrote: There were also no proxy pylon to supplement the army faster. There was a warp prism, though. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
When mkp's production hits, he will at best have 10 marauders/6 marauders&8 marines and 6 vikings (32food) against the 60 food of army that parting has right now, plus at least 1500/1000 resources put into warpins. Thats another 20-30 supply of cost effective army. You don't understand TvP very well if you think that fighting 32 supply vs 80 supply, without medivacs, against a late game P army is in any way a winnable situation. MKP is done no matter what he did. He wasn't able to break parting when he was 170 vs 135 food and at the point of the lag-out, he was completely dead. Oh, and to see a demonstration of how such a fight between P and T works out, go watch the final fight between parting and maru. Is maru in a winnable position on top of his ramp? | ||
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winthrop
Hong Kong956 Posts
On April 09 2012 00:19 Str1keFreedom wrote: Parting had advantage. That is clear. No one is doubting that fact, not even the ref. But before a player enters a tournament, he/she agrees to accept decisions made by referees of the tournament. According to the koeran cast of GSTL the ref made his decison for regame because he saw that the gateway waprin was used in Parting's main. There were also no proxy pylon to supplement the army faster. Is that the correct decision? Everyone has a different opinion. But the fact is it is a decision made by ref and it is something the players and the viewers must accept. Do not take it out on the players, GSL, or the refs. Blame the internet connection issues, and leave it at that. The players, refs, and the organization did their best to accomodate the situation. can't agree more | ||
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ffrozenfish
820 Posts
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On April 09 2012 00:19 Str1keFreedom wrote: Parting had advantage. That is clear. No one is doubting that fact, not even the ref. But before a player enters a tournament, he/she agrees to accept decisions made by referees of the tournament. According to the koeran cast of GSTL the ref made his decison for regame because he saw that the gateway waprin was used in Parting's main. There were also no proxy pylon to supplement the army faster. Is that the correct decision? Everyone has a different opinion. But the fact is it is a decision made by ref and it is something the players and the viewers must accept. Do not take it out on the players, GSL, or the refs. Blame the internet connection issues, and leave it at that. The players, refs, and the organization did their best to accomodate the situation. Just because you think the ref did his best does not mean he could not have made the incorrect decision. The folks responsible for the Internet may have done their best too. There is always a chance that things will stop working and then the ref is responsible for making the correct decision. If he gave the game to MKP would we still not have any right to dispute it? If GOMTV is gonna continue to ruin every competition that has equipment failure then people ought to know. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
To claim that you know for certain that Parting had it won is simply unintelligent. Without being able to watch the replay, you don't know 1) how many units mkp had in production, 2) how close mkp's units in production were to finishing, 3) where mkp's rax were rallied, and how good he would be at pooling units, 4) the location of parting's nearest pylon, 5) how likely the warp prism was to get killed by vikes, 6) the saturation of each player's mining bases, 7) how many mules mkp had and thus how insanely high his mineral income may have been, or 8) the location of all parting's units (did he have 4 or 5 zealots sitting back at home from having dealt with a drop 5 mins earlier?). Without having ANY of the above information, you would claim that you know for CERTAIN that Parting had it won? Smarten up. | ||
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NachiMe
250 Posts
On April 09 2012 00:09 TheTenthDoc wrote: This seems more or less impossible if only because he didn't have any medivacs remaining and Parting was clearly going to force an engagement. MKP was going to have to have his next cycle of medivacs (probably his next two cycles) with his main army or it would be a complete walkover, so drops weren't coming for a while. The only scenario where MKP would win would be Parting completely throwing the game, as far as I can tell. And that's always possible in any disconnect, so you might as well just regame everything then. he had 4 starports, instant medivac replenish won't be that unusual. If MKP grouped his reinforcements and put himself between his buildings with scvs in front on hold position (keep in mind MKP had a superior economy, he can afford to lose afew scvs, esp the ones in his main base), I think he might have held it. The HT's weren't at the battle, and his production wasn't being camped save the 3 rax outside his base. MKP had 6 vikings to deal with the warp prism, keep in mind that the stalkers were outside the base while the warp prism was over the production when MKP dced, I think the vikings could have taken it out (even if they didn't, Parting's warp gates were on cooldown and Parting only had 200 minerals). Either way, Parting would have a huge lead, but that's not enough to simply give Parting the win. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
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pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On April 09 2012 00:39 JinDesu wrote: Did Parting have a 4th in game 1? I know he built a 4th in game 2 a short bit after MKPs, but did he even have 4th in game 1? He had a 5th | ||
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