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Willzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom774 Posts
April 08 2012 17:13 GMT
#181
MKP already had 6 vikings out, he had 4 starports so he could have easily got his medivac count back up very quickly.

The regame advantaged Parting if anything. MKP was the new player in, the one who was prepared to take Parting out. Just as MKP knew what Parting would do, Parting knew what MKP would do. Parting had plenty of templar and plenty of storms in the regame, MKP didn't kill him before templar at all.
Leth0
Profile Joined February 2012
856 Posts
April 08 2012 17:14 GMT
#182
On April 08 2012 21:45 Clogon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 21:42 mumming wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/LPFZa.jpg


That means nothing when only 7 zealots and 2 stalkers were attacking MKP's foward racks and the rest were at home.



Nobody comes back from such a huge deficit when your entire army gets rolled and protoss is seconds away from being right on top of your unit production facilities. It's so painfully obvious that parting had put himself in an unloseable situation. If anyone actually thinks parting would of lost that game from there than I just.....facepalm.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
April 08 2012 17:15 GMT
#183
On April 09 2012 02:14 Leth0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 21:45 Clogon wrote:
On April 08 2012 21:42 mumming wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/LPFZa.jpg


That means nothing when only 7 zealots and 2 stalkers were attacking MKP's foward racks and the rest were at home.



Nobody comes back from such a huge deficit when your entire army gets rolled and protoss is seconds away from being right on top of your unit production facilities. It's so painfully obvious that parting had put himself in an unloseable situation. If anyone actually thinks parting would of lost that game from there than I just.....facepalm.

I dont think anyone's arguing Parting would have lost the game. It's that he could have, which is why you cant award award a defwin.
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
April 08 2012 17:17 GMT
#184
How about the Bomber vs MKP game? Where at so many points if the game diconnected everyone would have said Bomber would have won, and yet MKP won.

I don't think a win should be given unless the game is clearly over

aka Slayers Boxer incident in TSL 3.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
Postman
Profile Joined July 2010
United States269 Posts
April 08 2012 17:19 GMT
#185
On April 09 2012 01:51 MVega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 01:44 Hetairoi wrote:
On April 09 2012 01:29 Royskopp wrote:
LAN would bring piracy.


The game was cracked a long time ago and has been available for free since then. Adding LAN would not change the fact.


But the multiplayer hasn't been. That's the important part. Blizzard doesn't care about the story mode. The pirates have been working on trying to get multiplayer to work since the start of beta and they never got it working right.

Actually there's cracked multiplayer and has been for a while now. Lan support included.
Willzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom774 Posts
April 08 2012 17:20 GMT
#186
Exactly, there have been loads of games where people have come back from much worse positions than in the MKP vs Parting game. Shocks do happen especially when MKP is one of the players.
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 17:22:21
April 08 2012 17:20 GMT
#187
On April 09 2012 02:17 xrapture wrote:
How about the Bomber vs MKP game? Where at so many points if the game diconnected everyone would have said Bomber would have won, and yet MKP won.

I don't think a win should be given unless the game is clearly over

aka Slayers Boxer incident in TSL 3.

You know, MKP had won that game if a d/c had happened at the beginning, where MKP killed almost everything from Bomber with his first attacky. Yet, Bomber came back. Let´s not pollute this thread with other games, please. You can find almost a gazillion situations where a d/c is extremely badly timed in almost any game.
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
April 08 2012 17:20 GMT
#188
On April 09 2012 01:50 Shalaiyn wrote:
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On April 09 2012 01:48 Archerofaiur wrote:
Hey guys I apologize for asking again but I am writing an email to Blizzard reps about this issue and it would really help if I could give a better sense of how many tournaments are effected by major disconnects.

Does anyone remember any other tournaments that this happened in?


Happened 3-4 times at MLG Columbus Winter the other month at least, has happened at several GSLs, for example MVP vs Dimaga in the World Championship tournament. Has happened at Dreamhack, other MLGs, etc.



On April 09 2012 02:17 xrapture wrote:
aka Slayers Boxer incident in TSL 3.


Thanks guys! Anyone remember any other incidents I can toss in this email?
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
psychotics
Profile Joined July 2011
United States184 Posts
April 08 2012 17:21 GMT
#189
everyone saying they should have made it a BO3 are complete idiots. you cant make a team league like this have a BO3 between 2 players. what happens if parting loses the first game and wins the next game to win the BO3 now he has had to play 2 extra games for 1 win for his team essentially draining him of all stamina. Prime now tosses a fresh new player out. this would be completely unfair for parting (and MKP in the reverse sitution) regame or awarding the win are the only possible "fair" outcomes.

The regame lead to a completely pointless game where MKP knew PartinG´s strategy and profitted from it. It almost was the same game played twice. Only now, MKP knew that he had to kill PartinG well before PartinG has templars/storms out, Last edit: 2012-04-09 02:10:16
because PartinG simply is too good with templars for MKP to handle.
did u even watch the regame? they both did the EXACT same builds and MKP did the EXACT same timing attacks how did G1 change the way G2.

To everyone saying this cost Startale the finals all i have to say is get real. EVEN if parting was awarded the game the next prime player who ever it may have been could have still won the Finals, Bomber and squritle and curious are all very capable of taking 1 game off MKP he is not unbeatable. so to blame the whole loss of the finals on the fact that 1 player didnt get awarded a win after a DC (whether or not he deserved to be or not is irrelevant). He still could have won the regame and still the rest of his teamates could have beaten MKP
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
April 08 2012 17:28 GMT
#190
On April 09 2012 01:31 Barrin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 01:29 Royskopp wrote:
LAN would bring piracy.

True. That would totally break Blizzard.


Are you being sarcastic?
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
April 08 2012 17:28 GMT
#191
GSL's decision was a hard one, but I don't think it was the right one.

To be honest, the game was clearly in the advantage of Parting that when that disconnect happened, it would've been not fair to award Parting the win. You just can't regame if one player has a definitive advantage and such a huge one at that.

Regaming everytime a player is not going to win "100%" of the time is really dumb imo. There's been quite a few disconnects in BW that were closer than this and one player was awarded the win. (FvJ in 2009 iirc, that blackout incident)
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 17:32:46
April 08 2012 17:29 GMT
#192
On April 09 2012 02:21 psychotics wrote:
everyone saying they should have made it a BO3 are complete idiots. you cant make a team league like this have a BO3 between 2 players. what happens if parting loses the first game and wins the next game to win the BO3 now he has had to play 2 extra games for 1 win for his team essentially draining him of all stamina. Prime now tosses a fresh new player out. this would be completely unfair for parting (and MKP in the reverse sitution) regame or awarding the win are the only possible "fair" outcomes.

Show nested quote +
The regame lead to a completely pointless game where MKP knew PartinG´s strategy and profitted from it. It almost was the same game played twice. Only now, MKP knew that he had to kill PartinG well before PartinG has templars/storms out, Last edit: 2012-04-09 02:10:16
because PartinG simply is too good with templars for MKP to handle.
did u even watch the regame? they both did the EXACT same builds and MKP did the EXACT same timing attacks how did G1 change the way G2.

To everyone saying this cost Startale the finals all i have to say is get real. EVEN if parting was awarded the game the next prime player who ever it may have been could have still won the Finals, Bomber and squritle and curious are all very capable of taking 1 game off MKP he is not unbeatable. so to blame the whole loss of the finals on the fact that 1 player didnt get awarded a win after a DC (whether or not he deserved to be or not is irrelevant). He still could have won the regame and still the rest of his teamates could have beaten MKP


Except they made different decisions and played it out differently. MarineKing went for a drop, instead of busting up a ramp, and PartinG went for Archons instead of feedbacking... both of these decisions impacted by the previous disconnect-game.

The stupid thing about the regame was that: Although MarineKing is probably the superior player head-to-head overall, PartinG was just way more prepared for his match (which showed in his impeccable macro and control) while MKP played a bit sloppier (banking minerals&gas/low production facilities, running into a few storms etc.) and it was because of this, that PartinG was able to come so close to winning the first game - one that he proved he deserved. But it was because of this disconnect that he was robbed, and it was followed up by MKP cleaning up his act the next game and proceeding to roll through him.

It's a team-league format and a Best of 1, and with it comes the excitement of Las Vegas and IPL 4, but the decision of the regame was based on the idea that a strategy prepared against another player would be viable two games in a row and that PartinG was a better player overall and could win another game with 10 minutes of preparation... which kinda sucks for him .

edit: Tbh, I don't think regames should exist in an all-kill format, because snipers will never be able to execute the same strategy twice and a regame would really cost a team the series if that had happened.
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aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
April 08 2012 17:32 GMT
#193
Saying it should be extended to a bo3 is saying Parting would've won, people would still cry about it if MKP takes it 2-1. Just shut up about it, no one knows the exact winner of the game, the game of MKP vs Bomber. If either of them dced after Bomber landed his manner mule, people would've said Bomber won, but guess who won? Exactly, no one knows the out come of games between Koreans. They don't give up until the very end. Now get over it, it happened.
Mmm, what to watch.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 08 2012 17:34 GMT
#194
there's really nothing to discuss here.
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