EPTOn a whole, even if you don't like the US armies for what they do, you've gotta respect that there are men and women out there to try to do the right thing for their country, and that's worth a hell of a lot more than some'd think.
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On a whole, even if you don't like the US armies for what they do, you've gotta respect that there are men and women out there to try to do the right thing for their country, and that's worth a hell of a lot more than some'd think. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:30 Alryk wrote: The side where I helped evac a building of marines and civilians? Who were there because? And who needed saving because? Don't get me wrong, I can understand that individuals in the military can be doing exceptionally courageous and great things and I respect them for it, but the reason they have to do them is because the military was misused in the first place. Pretty much every military, regardless of how terrible the endeavour might be, has produced great moments of selfless courage that you can look on with pride as an individual. The "good side" I'm looking for, however, is the total positive effect of the military action taking place. | ||
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
People like these guys, gives American soldiers a bad rep. No wonder why Iraqi's civilians fucking hate us, mainly because of our actions and shit. One reason why i really second guess why i joined the USARMY is when, we were out on patrol and we had a couple of soccer balls. There was kids running on the side of the road. I asked if we could stop and hand them some balls. My leader said "Nah fuck them and I just simply said "roger" with disgust...We didn't have to stop, or anything we could of just thrown them out the turret. We had soccer balls in the first place to hand them out... =\ But don't view the US military as a bunch of assholes, there are a lot of us actually that really aren't pathetic like them degenerates. | ||
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Abort Retry Fail
2636 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:27 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: I can and do have it both ways. A good soldier follows the lawful orders of his CO without question or hesitation. If his CO orders him to kill a target, he has a duty to kill that target as quickly and efficiently as possible. No job is honorable or dishonorable taken by itself. Only the one who is doing it can make it honorable or dishonorable. In this instance, what the soldiers did was gross, but hardly shocking or even all that disrespectful. I don't see how shooting someone is okay, but then peeing on them is "so horrible!" Please tell us, do you have a baggage with anything/anyone? What happened why you have such anger inside you? | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:35 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: I didn't say that it wasn't disrespectful. My point is Why are you expecting killers to be respectful to people they just killed? Why do soldiers have to be "respectful"? This is exactly the attitude that caused the disaster which was Vietnam. I'm glad our military leaders now understand to some extent the exit strategy from Iraq/Afghanistan isn't "recruit people who will mindlessly kill who goes against us, do a bunch of disrespectful things to make every more people turn against us so we have to kill them too, and once they're all dead we're done". | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:36 FraCuS wrote: I'm a soldier and I'm a grunt, I hear almost everyone in my combat platoon talk about killing Muslim's and fucking them up. I hear it all the time. It's really all brain wash I hear from people who disagree with Muslim's. I'm not really a religious person but I really disagree with this and this is fucking disappointing why these fuck heads are doing shit like this. People like these guys, gives American soldiers a bad rep. No wonder why Iraqi's civilians fucking hate us, mainly because of our actions and shit. One reason why i really second guess why i joined the USARMY is when, we were out on patrol and we had a couple of soccer balls. There was kids running on the side of the road. I asked if we could stop and hand them some balls. My leader said "Nah fuck them and I just simply said "roger" with disgust...We didn't have to stop, or anything we could of just thrown them out the turret. We had soccer balls in the first place to hand them out... =\ But don't view the US military as a bunch of assholes, there are a lot of us actually that really aren't pathetic like them degenerates. +10 | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:35 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: I didn't say that it wasn't disrespectful. My point is Why are you expecting killers to be respectful to people they just killed? Why do soldiers have to be "respectful"? Where did you all get this idea that the military is happy fun time filled with a bunch of people who are deep thinkers who are constantly pontificating about their love and respect for their enemy? That is some pure hollywood BS right there. We're not there to annihilate the Iraqi's and their culture. We're there to bring peace to their land. Regardless of whether or not I agree with the war, one thing I do know is that shooting their people and pissing on them is certainly not a good way to make them like us or democracy more... It's barbaric actions like this that can cause more young Iraqi men to want to defend their country against the occupying forces. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
That being said, obviously this thread isn't going anywhere. A lot of people who aren't in the military and never will be pontificating about what soldiers should think... yeah.. that sounds pretty unproductive... | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:34 Mohdoo wrote: Desecration of a corpse is legally defined as war crime. Yes, you did, thank you. Its shocking to hear that soldiers are allowed to serve more than the recommended amount. I can imagine that after a while, they're totally fucked up from all the shit that goes down. That is DEFINITELY something that needs to change... It's not so much being "allowed" as "necessitated," we have already dipped into our reserves to give the active duty soldiers as few tours as possible, it's just a mess in there. Despite how messed up a lot of the people may be though, they're driven (mostly) by a desire to uphold our country's values and what they believe is right, and to most of us, it means serving (and potentially dying). But I assure you, the military doesn't WANT us there. A tired soldier on his sixth tour is much closer to dead than a soldier on his second. They do their best to cycle it, but the military is pretty starved for recruits right now, at least that's what I believe. | ||
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Tegin
United States840 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:39 cz wrote: If this is what is bad, we're doing good. Refer to the history of any war and you'll find things infinitely worse than peeing on enemy dead. Exactly what I said a page ago. This is nothing compared to the gruesome things that have happened in previous wars. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:41 Alryk wrote: It's not so much being "allowed" as "necessitated," we have already dipped into our reserves to give the active duty soldiers as few tours as possible, it's just a mess in there. Despite how messed up a lot of the people may be though, they're driven (mostly) by a desire to uphold our country's values and what they believe is right, and to most of us, it means serving (and potentially dying). But I assure you, the military doesn't WANT us there. A tired soldier on his sixth tour is much closer to dead than a soldier on his second. They do their best to cycle it, but the military is pretty starved for recruits right now, at least that's what I believe. Maybe if we didn't insist on having hundreds of thousands of occupying forces in non-threatening countries like Germany and Japan, we wouldn't be so starved though? | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:42 Tegin wrote: Exactly what I said a page ago. This is nothing compared to the gruesome things that have happened in previous wars. Yeah and it used to be common to stone a woman for being an adulteress. I guess anything I do now to mine which is less severe than that is excused, 'cause it used to worse, right? Seriously that's the argument? People used to do worse stuff so this is okay? | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:43 RoosterSamurai wrote: Maybe if we didn't insist on having hundreds of thousands of occupying forces in non-threatening countries like Germany and Japan, we wouldn't be so starved though? I'm not too familiar with Germany, but I am definitely ok with soldiers being in Japan and Korea. North Korea is a pretty damn big threat. One of my friends who was in Korea was speaking with korean soldiers who told them that if we weren't there and North Korea staged an "all out attack" on South Korea, they'd survive for about an hour, and North Korea would have Seoul within a day. Japan also needs protection from us there, although I'm pretty sure we also have a still standing treaty from WW2 that keeps soldiers there. Plus, if SK fell, what would happen to GSL?  Edit: I feel like "hundreds of thousands" is a bit of an overstatement, I think it's more like eighty thousand total, but I could be wrong. | ||
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BlondeOna
Australia89 Posts
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dudeman001
United States2412 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:42 Tegin wrote: Exactly what I said a page ago. This is nothing compared to the gruesome things that have happened in previous wars. And like I said 3 pages ago, I can't think of a single occupying army that treated the conquered respectfully. It really sucks when stories like this come out and reflect poorly on a country's armed forces, it just goes to show humanity still sucks. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:45 Alryk wrote: I'm not too familiar with Germany, but I am definitely ok with soldiers being in Japan and Korea. North Korea is a pretty damn big threat. One of my friends who was in Korea was speaking with korean soldiers who told them that if we weren't there and North Korea staged an "all out attack" on South Korea, they'd survive for about an hour, and North Korea would have Seoul within a day. Japan also needs protection from us there, although I'm pretty sure we also have a still standing treaty from WW2 that keeps soldiers there. Plus, if SK fell, what would happen to GSL? I don't disagree with you, but even with us being in Korea and Japan, if North Korea decides to go all out and attack South Korea, all of our initial forces would most likely still be wiped out, and we'd have to re-invade just to push the NK's back. And we have guaranteed Japan protection from other countries since WW2, but honestly, I could see the US breaking that treaty if it ends up leaving our land too unprotected. I'm very confident we would abandon Japan if China tried to invade it. | ||
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Abort Retry Fail
2636 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:40 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: Why are you so obsessed with attacking my person instead of my arguments? Don't answer that, just think about it for a while, then think about what you are defending and what you are condemning. That being said, obviously this thread isn't going anywhere. A lot of people who aren't in the military and never will be pontificating about what soldiers should think... yeah.. that sounds pretty unproductive... Ok. I get your point. But please reply to this post by Rooster We're not there to annihilate the Iraqi's and their culture. We're there to bring peace to their land. Regardless of whether or not I agree with the war, one thing I do know is that shooting their people and pissing on them is certainly not a good way to make them like us or democracy more... It's barbaric actions like this that can cause more young Iraqi men to want to defend their country against the occupying forces. | ||
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Damiani
United States514 Posts
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Tegin
United States840 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:44 diophan wrote: Yeah and it used to be common to stone a woman for being an adulteress. I guess anything I do now to mine which is less severe than that is excused, 'cause it used to worse, right? Seriously that's the argument? People used to do worse stuff so this is okay? Never meant to imply this behavior is "okay". It isn't any any sane human being knows this. But looking at previous wars and the war crimes that have been committed this is nothing. | ||
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