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Tegin
United States840 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:22 Tegin wrote: This incident doesn't represent every Marine, nor the USMC in general. Damn technology. Damn technology? Technology is the reason these pitiful people will be brought to justice. Technology is the reason people become aware of this disgraceful behavior. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:13 Mohdoo wrote: Right, I by no means believe all the military is like this. I'm curious, you being someone who seems to have a family of military men, perhaps you're fit to answer. What do you think the military can or should (in an ideal world) do to curve this sort of thing? I believe this is a genuine issue and that it needs to change. I don't think we should accept this as a fact of war. We're a race of progress and self-betterment. We should be able to tackle this problem. Alright, that makes me feel a bit better. And in an ideal world? The ideal thing I think would be to not have soldiers on their tenth plus tour of duty (airmen don't really have to go on nearly as many, and my family is pretty happy for that haha.) But a lot of the marines (who, even though they seem to be the "symbol" of the US military, aren't INTENDED to fight for extended periods of time) are on multiple tours of duty. I don't know the exact number, but I believe you aren't supposed to have been in more than like 3-4 tours of duty (you can't quote me on that though haha) Anyways, part of what you have to keep in mind is we have soldiers who have been in the field for ten years. That is REALLY, REALLY terrible. If we had more volunteers, then that in and of itself would go a long way towards fixing the problem. A far fewer number of soldiers would go without help, and that would help the problem immensely. Each tour kind of compounds on the last, and that's what results in people acting like this (in the few cases I've seen). I'm scared to death that my son will have to go through a situation like this, and this to me is the main problem that we have. It is seriously hard to get through training (in my imagination) without having developed a sense of ethics, and impossible to get through a military academy without it. It would be nice to have the ability to pull marines out of the fight as soon as signs of this showed up, I guess you could have more psychiatrists for that? To give another perspective, there already is a huge "weeding" of the bad seeds in the army (at least the airforce, and my respect for the navy and the army makes me think that it's the same there). This addresses you Diophan - a lot of the people who enlist to "kill towelheads" don't even make it through training. To clear up another potential misconception, marines are intended as shock troopers so to speak. They're the "get in, get the job done, get out" crew, while the army cleans up the mess and occupies the actual ground locations. To have to be out of your combat role can be really grating sometimes. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:19 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: Sorry, guys, but "winning the hearts and minds" of the population is not the soldier's job. His job is to shoot where his CO tells him to shoot, kill who his CO tells him to kill, and be a nasty, crude, rude, and generally unpleasant mother-fucker. People are making WAAAAAAAY too big a deal about this... If all a soldier's job is to kill people who he's been told to kill then it's an exceptionally dishonourable job. You can't have things both ways. | ||
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:19 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: Sorry, guys, but "winning the hearts and minds" of the population is not the soldier's job. His job is to shoot where his CO tells him to shoot, kill who his CO tells him to kill, and be a nasty, crude, rude, and generally unpleasant mother-fucker. People are making WAAAAAAAY too big a deal about this... in no way is it a service member's job to be anything you just said. is killing required? sometimes. but not the rest. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:24 Mohdoo wrote: Damn technology? Technology is the reason these pitiful people will be brought to justice. Technology is the reason people become aware of this disgraceful behavior. I think he's talking about how the media tends to just show the ridiculously awful side of things and never the good side, not that he's disagreeing with you  Also: did I answer your question well enough? If you have something else to ask please feel free. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:25 Alryk wrote: I think he's talking about how the media tends to just show the ridiculously awful side of things and never the good side, not that he's disagreeing with you Also: did I answer your question well enough? If you have something else to ask please feel free. What good side? | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:19 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: Sorry, guys, but "winning the hearts and minds" of the population is not the soldier's job. His job is to shoot where his CO tells him to shoot, kill who his CO tells him to kill, and be a nasty, crude, rude, and generally unpleasant mother-fucker. People are making WAAAAAAAY too big a deal about this... That is just generally incorrect.... My computer professor earned the Navy Cross in Vietnam ( A war which was a hell of a lot worse than Iraqi freedom), and he is an extremely level-headed, polite, pleasant mother-fucker. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:19 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: Sorry, guys, but "winning the hearts and minds" of the population is not the soldier's job. His job is to shoot where his CO tells him to shoot, kill who his CO tells him to kill, and be a nasty, crude, rude, and generally unpleasant mother-fucker. People are making WAAAAAAAY too big a deal about this... Stop playing Call of Duty... this is just wrong. (Except obeying the CO I guess) | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:24 FuzzyJAM wrote: If all a soldier's job is to kill people who he's been told to kill then it's an exceptionally dishonourable job. You can't have things both ways. I can and do have it both ways. A good soldier follows the lawful orders of his CO without question or hesitation. If his CO orders him to kill a target, he has a duty to kill that target as quickly and efficiently as possible. No job is honorable or dishonorable taken by itself. Only the one who is doing it can make it honorable or dishonorable. In this instance, what the soldiers did was gross, but hardly shocking or even all that disrespectful. I don't see how shooting someone is okay, but then peeing on them is "so horrible!" | ||
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Tegin
United States840 Posts
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
The side where I helped evac a building of marines and civilians? Edit: sorry, injured civilians. | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:27 RoosterSamurai wrote: That is just generally incorrect.... My computer professor earned the Navy Cross in Vietnam ( A war which was a hell of a lot worse than Iraqi freedom), and he is an extremely level-headed, polite, pleasant mother-fucker. I bet he wasn't when he was in Vietnam. I bet he was a crude, rude, nasty mother-fucker when he was in Vietnam. Seriously this image of the military as a bunch of philosophers and philanthropists is laughable. 99% of them are young men filled with fire and guts and 99% of them are not exactly "polite, level-headed and pleasant", anecdotal evidence aside. "What makes the green grass grow?" "Blood, blood, blood, makes the green grass grow." ^^^ My brother had to say that every single day to his DS in boot camp. | ||
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:27 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: In this instance, what the soldiers did was gross, but hardly shocking or even all that disrespectful. I don't see how shooting someone is okay, but then peeing on them is "so horrible!" Well I don't know the circumstances under which those people were killed so I can't judge that. But if you can't understand how urinating on a corpse is disrespectful and able to incite hatred then maybe you should accept that very few people are going to agree with you. Further it doesn't matter whether you think it's disrespectful or not, what matters is what the civilians there think. Islam has specific rules governing on how the dead are supposed to be buried, and I'm pretty sure pissing on them isn't one of those things. On January 12 2012 11:31 FraCuS wrote: But don't view the US military as a bunch of assholes, there are a lot of us actually that really aren't pathetic like them degenerates. I really hope no one on this thread thinks everyone in the military is like this. I know there are people like you, just unfortunately not enough of them. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46478 Posts
[QUOTE]On January 12 2012 10:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: These specific men are jerks (although not as detestable as the marines who threw the puppy over the cliff). Marines, in general, are honorable men. [/QUOTE] Funny because many of the people from my High School that went into the Army/Marines were fucking assholes. And most of the people that I know who are in the military (family, friends, etc.) aren't, and both of our statements justify my argument that you shouldn't stereotype an entire group based on the actions of a few people. Thanks for that. | ||
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xAPOCALYPSEx
1418 Posts
On January 12 2012 10:12 Teoman wrote: Soldiers in general, are brainwashed to imorality and mass murder. As OPs example shows. ..... WHAT? Hey, theres murders every day, shit a lot worse than this. Does that mean people are "in general, brainwashed to imorality and mass murder"? I live right next to a Marine base (Camp Pendleton) and they come thru the town i live in by the masses. Some of my really good friends joined the Marines. They're normal people for the most part (and I seriously mean the VAST majority) This thread should've been closed after the first post. | ||
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Selkie
United States530 Posts
Lying, on the other hand... | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 12 2012 11:27 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: I can and do have it both ways. A good soldier follows the lawful orders of his CO without question or hesitation. If his CO orders him to kill a target, he has a duty to kill that target as quickly and efficiently as possible. No job is honorable or dishonorable taken by itself. Only the one who is doing it can make it honorable or dishonorable. In this instance, what the soldiers did was gross, but hardly shocking or even all that disrespectful. I don't see how shooting someone is okay, but then peeing on them is "so horrible!" Desecration of a corpse is legally defined as war crime. On January 12 2012 11:25 Alryk wrote: I think he's talking about how the media tends to just show the ridiculously awful side of things and never the good side, not that he's disagreeing with you Also: did I answer your question well enough? If you have something else to ask please feel free. Yes, you did, thank you. Its shocking to hear that soldiers are allowed to serve more than the recommended amount. I can imagine that after a while, they're totally fucked up from all the shit that goes down. That is DEFINITELY something that needs to change... | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
Why are you expecting killers to be respectful to people they just killed? Why do soldiers have to be "respectful"? Where did you all get this idea that the military is happy fun time filled with a bunch of people who are deep thinkers who are constantly pontificating about their love and respect for their enemy? That is some pure hollywood BS right there. | ||
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