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Subztance
United States139 Posts
On January 12 2012 10:12 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: 1. What is wrong with pissing on bodies? I mean, it's unprofessional, and rude, but is there anything really morally wrong with it? It's a peace of dead meat. The person isn't inside that body any more. 2. Why include the ridiculous anecdotal story about some marines joking around while playing a game? I don't see how this connects with the article at all. Furthermore, I have heard a thousand variations of this same story a thousand times, and so that makes me wonder why you put it here even more. 3. You don't have to be nice to be a solider. On the contrary, the military would probably prefer having the nasty guy to the nice guy. The nice guy is good, but when it comes time to blow some people up and kill some people, you don't want someone who has a problem with killing. You want someone that wants to kill, likes to kill, and will kill. 4. It isn't easy being a soldier. We need soldiers though, and they don't need to be great people. They need to be killers. Killers, often, are not the greatest people. There aren't enough nice people who are also killers to fill the shoes that we need. Life sucks, move on. I generally agree with you, although i would probably phrase what you said in a more... diplomatic way. I do, however, take issue with your first statement. Everything is wrong with pissing on bodies. First of all, unprofessional and rude, some might say, is by itself morally wrong. Furthermore, even if you aren't religious, most people believe that the body is sacred in some way. Would you care if a bunch of men decided to piss a relative's body? I'm not religious but I would still be very offended. Morals are defined by society and the vast majority of our society would say that pissing on a dead body is morally wrong. | ||
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
On January 12 2012 10:15 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: You've probably never killed anyone, or had much discussion with those who have. Let's just say, ignorance is bliss. Me? I think jumping out of a plane would be scarier than shit. Someone else? The adrenaline rush makes them love it. Me? I think shooting someone in the face while in a fire-fight would be scarier than shit. Someone else? The adrenaline rush makes them love it. So you know, try not being so black and white with your judgments... What are these arguments about? You are not sadistic if you love shooting someone in the face? | ||
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Humanfails
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On January 12 2012 10:19 Elroi wrote: lol! "Our nation's interest" - that's just murder and theft if you ask me. exactly. Murder and theft is WRONG, criminals are the worst people!.... except if its under the guise of "war". Extroverted crimes are A O.K. Isn't that the same thing a certain WW2 upstart country thought? Let's not split hairs. We have laws and rules to protect each other from ourselves, while trying to exploit others in the same way. I've read Plato's republic. There must be a sense iof justice even among thieves and murderers, because if they had none they would turn on each other. But taking that line of thought, there can be a city or even a country full of completely just thieves and murderers, who do not harm their own or anyone associated, but take the same measures against "stranger" cities and countries. If you're in, you're ok to show justice, if you're not, we'll take your shit and kill you and cause you to die from the hands of others, because we want to step over your bodies to keep our society "flowing". lets be real. On January 12 2012 10:23 shabby wrote: What are these arguments about? You are not sadistic if you love shooting someone in the face? God, the person you quoted is sickening, shabby. And this is why, By Lao Tzu, by Buddhism, by Christianity (the good kind, which was likely influenced by easten philosophy), wars do NOT work. They spread hate and evil, mostly because people who "get an adrenaline rush and thrill from killing' are the very ones who WANT to go to war, not just in the capital but on the actual field of battle with their m16s. You're SENDING sociopathic killers whenever you go to war. There's actually a psychology reason NOT to war for this very reason, apart from all the mystical talk about increasing hatred and causing more pain that all the religions, which are previously mentioned,give as reasons not to go to war. | ||
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Arterial
Australia1039 Posts
On January 12 2012 10:12 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: 1. What is wrong with pissing on bodies? I mean, it's unprofessional, and rude, but is there anything really morally wrong with it? It's a peace of dead meat. The person isn't inside that body any more. 2. Why include the ridiculous anecdotal story about some marines joking around while playing a game? I don't see how this connects with the article at all. Furthermore, I have heard a thousand variations of this same story a thousand times, and so that makes me wonder why you put it here even more. 3. You don't have to be nice to be a solider. On the contrary, the military would probably prefer having the nasty guy to the nice guy. The nice guy is good, but when it comes time to blow some people up and kill some people, you don't want someone who has a problem with killing. You want someone that wants to kill, likes to kill, and will kill. 4. It isn't easy being a soldier. We need soldiers though, and they don't need to be great people. They need to be killers. Killers, often, are not the greatest people. There aren't enough nice people who are also killers to fill the shoes that we need. Life sucks, move on. Typed from the comfort of your home, no doubt. 1) Would you be okay with people pissing on your dead relatives bodies? They're just pieces of meat anyway right? 2) Let's say for example that you're of an asian background. Would you be okay with it if those guys were talking about killing asians? 3) This kind of logic sounds like something that's been brought up by hollywood movies. 4) Look at no.3. Way to post a ignorant and one-sided post buddy. | ||
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United States2958 Posts
On January 12 2012 10:12 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: 3. You don't have to be nice to be a solider. On the contrary, the military would probably prefer having the nasty guy to the nice guy. The nice guy is good, but when it comes time to blow some people up and kill some people, you don't want someone who has a problem with killing. You want someone that wants to kill, likes to kill, and will kill. This is an excellent way to make sure everyone in the occupied country hates your guts, takes up arms, and overthrows the government you leave behind. It might, just might, piss off people in other countries as well. | ||
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Flonomenalz
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On January 12 2012 10:23 shabby wrote: What are these arguments about? You are not sadistic if you love shooting someone in the face? The argument is about people assuming things when they have no idea what they are talking about. A fire-fight is one of the most intense things a person can ever experience. Your adrenaline is fucking jacked. You will feel more alive than you ever have. A bunch of people are shooting at you. Shooting hot metal at ridiculously high speeds so that they can kill you. But you kill them first. Your years of training and your skill and your brute fucking strength means you don't die but they do. They tried to kill you, but you won. I can see how someone could grow to love that feeling. And no, you don't have to a sadist. | ||
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Fealthas
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
On January 12 2012 10:12 Teoman wrote: Soldiers in general, are brainwashed to imorality and mass murder. As OPs example shows. I find the entire military system (at least where i come from) to be a childish, money sink. Except for the fact that they are willing to put themselves in harms way for the rights of the very people cursing their names? Sounds pretty honorable to me. There are a shit ton more people fighting for freedom in the army than those who fight to fight. | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On January 12 2012 10:24 Arterial wrote: Typed from the comfort of your home, no doubt. 1) Would you be okay with people pissing on your dead relatives bodies? They're just pieces of meat anyway right? 2) Let's say for example that you're of an asian background. Would you be okay with it if those guys were talking about killing asians? 3) This kind of logic sounds like something that's been brought up by hollywood movies. 4) Look at no.3. Way to post a ignorant and one-sided post buddy. What does me being at home have to do with anything? 1. My dead relatives are worm food right now. They are probably currently rotting. I don't see how rotting is better than being pissed on. I would laugh in someones face if they told me they pissed on my dead relatives body. It's a body. No one is being hurt by that. 2. I don't believe the OP's story. I think he made it up on the spot. But even if it is true, so what? I wasn't there so I can't comment. Probably they were joking. 3. IDK what to tell you. Go join the military. 4. So you think the military isn't about killing? | ||
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Humanfails
224 Posts
On January 12 2012 09:58 Mohdoo wrote: Source: http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/11/us/video-marines-urinating/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 The US government has already commented on it and are currently investigating who did this. If I may, I would like to do more than post the story, but also give my personal experience with a group of marines. A friend of my girlfriend was getting married and my girlfriend was one of the bride's maids. As such, there was a get together the day before the wedding at their home for the brides maids and best men etc. As the boyfriend of a bride's maid, I had the pleasure of coming along as well. The man who she was marrying was a marine, and all of his best men were also marines who served together in Iraq or Afghanistan, I can't recall which. When I arrived, they were playing Resident Evil 4, I think. They would joke about how they pretended that the zombies were Muslims, and how they absolutely loved killing Muslims. One of them specifically mentioned how it made them feel amazing to kill Muslims, followed by the rest agreeing and talking about it. I was just kinda sitting on a chair in the living room, as they all sat on a couch. I was speechless and couldn't really wrap my mind around the fact that they meant what they were saying and really felt that way. They continued talking about how they hated Muslims and how much they miss killing them in the war. I could tell that they were being serious and saw nothing wrong with what they were saying. I know its hard to really describe, but I could tell they were being quite serious. The bride and groom were very religious, and the other marines seemed to be the same. I know that some, far from all, Christians see Muslim faith as a competitor of sorts. Nevertheless, the most disgusting behavior I've ever had the displeasure of of watching. I don't like how just about any physically capable person can become a marine. I don't like that there are such low psychological and mental requirements. If someone is given, they need to be an outstanding person. The people shown in this video and the group of marines I described are certainly far from DECENT people. They bring shame to my country and I wish that there was more being done to prevent such people from serving. Note: I do not feel these in the video or the ones I met in person represent Marines or the US military as a whole. However, these people were issued guns and were put in situations where they had the potential to harm civilians. This is beyond unacceptable. It shouldn't be so easy to be a marine. There have been similar incidents in the past as well. you knowe whats funny, this is deezer/CombatEX mentality, where they say horrible things, like deezer to destiny, for instance, and feel nothing wrong about saying it, or any of their actions. The reason children get spanked for this behavior is because we're assumed to believe taht this is unacceptable behavior, but you'll notice it's exactly what the government needs in a soldier; people without conscience or remorse. If we think Deezer and C-ex are cancers to the community, these soldiers would rank up there too. We dont forgive combat-ex because he does good things, because the idea behind him and forgiveness is that you cant just do some good things to be allowed or to have us accept the horrible things you do. I wonder why this rule does not hold true for Government SOldiers/Police. Trust and respect have to be earned, don't they? | ||
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Canada505 Posts
On January 12 2012 10:27 Flonomenalz wrote: There's a lot worse things done in war than this, but people are going to make a big deal out of it because it's America and it's the Marines. It's usually in a nation's best interest to look like the good guys in the eyes of its citizens and the world during military actions, especially when it claims to be. It is a big deal. | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On January 12 2012 10:30 Fealthas wrote: Christians do not view Muslims as competitors " of sorts". Its the other way around. You just end up hearing about the "christian" extremists in the news. Just goes to show you know nothing about Islam at all. Islam is far more encompassing and supprotive of other religions than Christianity is. (On average at least) | ||
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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
i knew a guy who's life ambition was to be in the army (he was on medical leave after breaking his leg or something at the time), he had nazi tattoo's... in particular he had a combat 18 tattoo on the side of his head (skinhead). he seemed pretty normal except the racist comment at every opportunity... of course, the majority of armed forces soldiers are professional. but it really hurts their image when you have these wacko's signing up. | ||
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zVooky
United States151 Posts
Is it right? No, Is it wrong? well who the hell are we to judge? These guys that they're urinating on could be some guys that killed their best friends or harmed civilians.. its impossible to tell. Can't just take what the media says and go OH THATS TERRIBLE! Put yourself in those persons shoes for a min and maybe it wont completely make sense but somewhat make sense. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46651 Posts
On January 12 2012 10:12 Teoman wrote: Soldiers in general, are brainwashed to imorality and mass murder. As OPs example shows. I find the entire military system (at least where i come from) to be a childish, money sink. For every 1 soldier you find pissing on a dead body, you can find a thousand more doing something honorable. To say that they're trained to be "imoral" [sic] is just wrong. They're trained to overcome the horrors of battle, sure, but that doesn't mean they lose their morality. If a marine pisses on a dead body, he was the type of guy who was (figuratively) pissing on dead bodies before he started fighting for our country. Don't generalize all military men as immoral jerks just because a few are. | ||
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forgottendreams
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46651 Posts
On January 12 2012 10:32 1Eris1 wrote: Just goes to show you know nothing about Islam at all. Islam is far more encompassing and supprotive of other religions than Christianity is. (On average at least) What do you mean by "on average"? That seems to be whatever you're justifying this with. Surely, most moderate Christians and Muslims accept and support the existence of multiple religions... and just the same, many fundamentalists on both sides don't. There are more moderates than fundamentalists, so if that's what you mean by "on average", then okay. I just feel you're being a bit ambiguous. | ||
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