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On January 12 2012 10:34 zVooky wrote:
I dont really understand what people want from those guys, on 1 hand you want them to witness all the brutal stuff that comes with war and on the other hand you want them to be completely unaffected by that? It's NOT going to happen like that. Truth is those guys end up F'ed in the head. The STRONGEST of people will with enough war stuff going on.
Is it right? No, Is it wrong? well who the hell are we to judge? These guys that they're urinating on could be some guys that killed their best friends or harmed civilians.. its impossible to tell. Can't just take what the media says and go OH THATS TERRIBLE! Put yourself in those persons shoes for a min and maybe it wont completely make sense but somewhat make sense.
its called "not being psychologically fit to conduct warfare". Either they have the mentality of sociopathic monsters, or they gain one through warfare.
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On January 12 2012 10:31 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:24 Arterial wrote:On January 12 2012 10:12 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On January 12 2012 09:58 Mohdoo wrote:Source: http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/11/us/video-marines-urinating/index.html?hpt=hp_t3Washington (CNN) -- A number of websites including TMZ and YouTube posted a video Wednesday showing four men dressed in U.S. Marine Corps combat gear urinating on the apparently dead bodies of three men sprawled on the ground in front of them.
One of the men says, "Have a great day, buddy." A voice asks, "You got it on the video?" to which another voice responds, "Yeah." Another jokes, "Golden, like a shower." The US government has already commented on it and are currently investigating who did this. If I may, I would like to do more than post the story, but also give my personal experience with a group of marines. A friend of my girlfriend was getting married and my girlfriend was one of the bride's maids. As such, there was a get together the day before the wedding at their home for the brides maids and best men etc. As the boyfriend of a bride's maid, I had the pleasure of coming along as well. The man who she was marrying was a marine, and all of his best men were also marines who served together in Iraq or Afghanistan, I can't recall which. When I arrived, they were playing Resident Evil 4, I think. They would joke about how they pretended that the zombies were Muslims, and how they absolutely loved killing Muslims. One of them specifically mentioned how it made them feel amazing to kill Muslims, followed by the rest agreeing and talking about it. I was just kinda sitting on a chair in the living room, as they all sat on a couch. I was speechless and couldn't really wrap my mind around the fact that they meant what they were saying and really felt that way. They continued talking about how they hated Muslims and how much they miss killing them in the war. I could tell that they were being serious and saw nothing wrong with what they were saying. I know its hard to really describe, but I could tell they were being quite serious. The bride and groom were very religious, and the other marines seemed to be the same. I know that some, far from all, Christians see Muslim faith as a competitor of sorts. Nevertheless, the most disgusting behavior I've ever had the displeasure of of watching. I don't like how just about any physically capable person can become a marine. I don't like that there are such low psychological and mental requirements. If someone is given, they need to be an outstanding person. The people shown in this video and the group of marines I described are certainly far from DECENT people. They bring shame to my country and I wish that there was more being done to prevent such people from serving. Note: I do not feel these in the video or the ones I met in person represent Marines or the US military as a whole. However, these people were issued guns and were put in situations where they had the potential to harm civilians. This is beyond unacceptable. It shouldn't be so easy to be a marine. There have been similar incidents in the past as well. 1. What is wrong with pissing on bodies? I mean, it's unprofessional, and rude, but is there anything really morally wrong with it? It's a peace of dead meat. The person isn't inside that body any more. 2. Why include the ridiculous anecdotal story about some marines joking around while playing a game? I don't see how this connects with the article at all. Furthermore, I have heard a thousand variations of this same story a thousand times, and so that makes me wonder why you put it here even more. 3. You don't have to be nice to be a solider. On the contrary, the military would probably prefer having the nasty guy to the nice guy. The nice guy is good, but when it comes time to blow some people up and kill some people, you don't want someone who has a problem with killing. You want someone that wants to kill, likes to kill, and will kill. 4. It isn't easy being a soldier. We need soldiers though, and they don't need to be great people. They need to be killers. Killers, often, are not the greatest people. There aren't enough nice people who are also killers to fill the shoes that we need. Life sucks, move on. Typed from the comfort of your home, no doubt. 1) Would you be okay with people pissing on your dead relatives bodies? They're just pieces of meat anyway right? 2) Let's say for example that you're of an asian background. Would you be okay with it if those guys were talking about killing asians? 3) This kind of logic sounds like something that's been brought up by hollywood movies. 4) Look at no.3. Way to post a ignorant and one-sided post buddy. What does me being at home have to do with anything? 1. My dead relatives are worm food right now. They are probably currently rotting. I don't see how rotting is better than being pissed on. I would laugh in someones face if they told me they pissed on my dead relatives body. It's a body. No one is being hurt by that.
And with that, the argument is over. Thanks for playing.
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On January 12 2012 10:21 FFGenerations wrote:
They got a building down New York City, it's called Whitehall Street,
where you walk in, you get injected, inspected, detected, infected,
neglected and selected. I went down to get my physical examination one
day, and I walked in, I sat down, got good and drunk the night before, so
I looked and felt my best when I went in that morning. `Cause I wanted to
look like the all-American kid from New York City, man I wanted, I wanted
to feel like the all-, I wanted to be the all American kid from New York,
and I walked in, sat down, I was hung down, brung down, hung up, and all
kinds o' mean nasty ugly things. And I waked in and sat down and they gave
me a piece of paper, said, "Kid, see the phsychiatrist, room 604."
And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."
Didn't feel too good about it.
You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant~
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On January 12 2012 10:40 Arterial wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:31 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On January 12 2012 10:24 Arterial wrote:On January 12 2012 10:12 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On January 12 2012 09:58 Mohdoo wrote:Source: http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/11/us/video-marines-urinating/index.html?hpt=hp_t3Washington (CNN) -- A number of websites including TMZ and YouTube posted a video Wednesday showing four men dressed in U.S. Marine Corps combat gear urinating on the apparently dead bodies of three men sprawled on the ground in front of them.
One of the men says, "Have a great day, buddy." A voice asks, "You got it on the video?" to which another voice responds, "Yeah." Another jokes, "Golden, like a shower." The US government has already commented on it and are currently investigating who did this. If I may, I would like to do more than post the story, but also give my personal experience with a group of marines. A friend of my girlfriend was getting married and my girlfriend was one of the bride's maids. As such, there was a get together the day before the wedding at their home for the brides maids and best men etc. As the boyfriend of a bride's maid, I had the pleasure of coming along as well. The man who she was marrying was a marine, and all of his best men were also marines who served together in Iraq or Afghanistan, I can't recall which. When I arrived, they were playing Resident Evil 4, I think. They would joke about how they pretended that the zombies were Muslims, and how they absolutely loved killing Muslims. One of them specifically mentioned how it made them feel amazing to kill Muslims, followed by the rest agreeing and talking about it. I was just kinda sitting on a chair in the living room, as they all sat on a couch. I was speechless and couldn't really wrap my mind around the fact that they meant what they were saying and really felt that way. They continued talking about how they hated Muslims and how much they miss killing them in the war. I could tell that they were being serious and saw nothing wrong with what they were saying. I know its hard to really describe, but I could tell they were being quite serious. The bride and groom were very religious, and the other marines seemed to be the same. I know that some, far from all, Christians see Muslim faith as a competitor of sorts. Nevertheless, the most disgusting behavior I've ever had the displeasure of of watching. I don't like how just about any physically capable person can become a marine. I don't like that there are such low psychological and mental requirements. If someone is given, they need to be an outstanding person. The people shown in this video and the group of marines I described are certainly far from DECENT people. They bring shame to my country and I wish that there was more being done to prevent such people from serving. Note: I do not feel these in the video or the ones I met in person represent Marines or the US military as a whole. However, these people were issued guns and were put in situations where they had the potential to harm civilians. This is beyond unacceptable. It shouldn't be so easy to be a marine. There have been similar incidents in the past as well. 1. What is wrong with pissing on bodies? I mean, it's unprofessional, and rude, but is there anything really morally wrong with it? It's a peace of dead meat. The person isn't inside that body any more. 2. Why include the ridiculous anecdotal story about some marines joking around while playing a game? I don't see how this connects with the article at all. Furthermore, I have heard a thousand variations of this same story a thousand times, and so that makes me wonder why you put it here even more. 3. You don't have to be nice to be a solider. On the contrary, the military would probably prefer having the nasty guy to the nice guy. The nice guy is good, but when it comes time to blow some people up and kill some people, you don't want someone who has a problem with killing. You want someone that wants to kill, likes to kill, and will kill. 4. It isn't easy being a soldier. We need soldiers though, and they don't need to be great people. They need to be killers. Killers, often, are not the greatest people. There aren't enough nice people who are also killers to fill the shoes that we need. Life sucks, move on. Typed from the comfort of your home, no doubt. 1) Would you be okay with people pissing on your dead relatives bodies? They're just pieces of meat anyway right? 2) Let's say for example that you're of an asian background. Would you be okay with it if those guys were talking about killing asians? 3) This kind of logic sounds like something that's been brought up by hollywood movies. 4) Look at no.3. Way to post a ignorant and one-sided post buddy. What does me being at home have to do with anything? 1. My dead relatives are worm food right now. They are probably currently rotting. I don't see how rotting is better than being pissed on. I would laugh in someones face if they told me they pissed on my dead relatives body. It's a body. No one is being hurt by that. And with that, the argument is over. Thanks for playing.
Why even bother posting then? I don't get the attitude...
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On January 12 2012 10:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:12 Teoman wrote:On January 12 2012 10:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
These specific men are jerks (although not as detestable as the marines who threw the puppy over the cliff).
Marines, in general, are honorable men. Soldiers in general, are brainwashed to imorality and mass murder. As OPs example shows. I find the entire military system (at least where i come from) to be a childish, money sink. For every 1 soldier you find pissing on a dead body, you can find a thousand more doing something honorable. To say that they're trained to be "imoral" [sic] is just wrong. They're trained to overcome the horrors of battle, sure, but that doesn't mean they lose their morality. If a marine pisses on a dead body, he was the type of guy who was (figuratively) pissing on dead bodies before he started fighting for our country. Don't generalize all military men as immoral jerks just because a few are.
With our society nowadays... ehh... I'd say morality on average is pretty shitty, especially when we're talking about the lower rungs of people in this regard.
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On January 12 2012 10:38 Humanfails wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:34 zVooky wrote:
I dont really understand what people want from those guys, on 1 hand you want them to witness all the brutal stuff that comes with war and on the other hand you want them to be completely unaffected by that? It's NOT going to happen like that. Truth is those guys end up F'ed in the head. The STRONGEST of people will with enough war stuff going on.
Is it right? No, Is it wrong? well who the hell are we to judge? These guys that they're urinating on could be some guys that killed their best friends or harmed civilians.. its impossible to tell. Can't just take what the media says and go OH THATS TERRIBLE! Put yourself in those persons shoes for a min and maybe it wont completely make sense but somewhat make sense. its called "not being psychologically fit to conduct warfare". Either they have the mentality of sociopathic monsters, or they gain one through warfare.
Yes but its the guys they bash as "monsters" that protect the country to begin with and give it freedom. Look at some of the stories of stonings and such from other countries, ever wonder why that doesn't happen in the US like it does else where? Sorry but freedom is won with wars and these people you call monsters. I would never want to be put in the situation they are and thus I will never condemn their actions as I know not what these people have gone through.
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I don't like how just about any physically capable person can become a marine. I don't like that there are such low psychological and mental requirements. If someone is given, they need to be an outstanding person. The people shown in this video and the group of marines I described are certainly far from DECENT people. They bring shame to my country and I wish that there was more being done to prevent such people from serving. Yo, just wanted to play devils advocate here and defend them. It's pretty easy to come down on their actions (its created a media shitstorm for obvious reasons, and I bet they will be caught since its already been narrowed to sniper teams) and judge them as a result. Disrespecting the dead goes against just about every culture. I think its short-sighted and naive to say that they are terrible people though. War can mess with people and their mental states in serious ways. Maybe they were upstanding and moral before and have since changed after stress and violence like seeing friends killed in front of them.
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On January 12 2012 10:41 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On January 12 2012 10:12 Teoman wrote:On January 12 2012 10:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
These specific men are jerks (although not as detestable as the marines who threw the puppy over the cliff).
Marines, in general, are honorable men. Soldiers in general, are brainwashed to imorality and mass murder. As OPs example shows. I find the entire military system (at least where i come from) to be a childish, money sink. For every 1 soldier you find pissing on a dead body, you can find a thousand more doing something honorable. To say that they're trained to be "imoral" [sic] is just wrong. They're trained to overcome the horrors of battle, sure, but that doesn't mean they lose their morality. If a marine pisses on a dead body, he was the type of guy who was (figuratively) pissing on dead bodies before he started fighting for our country. Don't generalize all military men as immoral jerks just because a few are. With our society nowadays... ehh... I'd say morality on average is pretty shitty, especially when we're talking about the lower rungs of people in this regard.
I'm not saying that everyone gives away money and does selfless charity work every week, but I'd think that most people (especially military personnel, who are held up to a higher standard) don't commit tremendously heinous or immoral deeds (rather subjective, but take that however you want it- like throwing dogs off cliffs or desecrating dead bodies).
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I'm part of the military myself (Navy) and I know quite a few marines and this does not surprise me at all LOL. The dude definitely just did this so he'd have another story to tell his unit haha, I hope he doesn't get in any trouble. Some people get so sensitive about shit like this though it's crazy.
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Soldiers in general, are brainwashed to imorality and mass murder. As OPs example shows.
I find the entire military system (at least where i come from) to be a childish, money sink.
As somebody who has nearly been shot out of the sky, with a father who was shot at in the first gulf war, and with a son who is about to enter the Air Force Academy, I find this absolutely extraordinarily offensive.
Don't try and judge soldiers like civilians. You have no idea what the marines and soldiers on the ground go through, and what they have to suffer through every day. If you aren't haunted nightly by the memories of the faces of people that you've bombed, shot, or had shot, then judge lightly. The vast majority of soldiers, airmen, sailors, and marines fight because they believe in something. We aren't bred for mass murder.
Have some more respect (especially those of you in the United States) please. I'm not trying to condone the actions of the people in the OP (I think it is despicable), but please lump them in with the minority, and not the vast majority.
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Of course these idiots were dumb enough to make a video.
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On January 12 2012 10:43 calgar wrote:Show nested quote +I don't like how just about any physically capable person can become a marine. I don't like that there are such low psychological and mental requirements. If someone is given, they need to be an outstanding person. The people shown in this video and the group of marines I described are certainly far from DECENT people. They bring shame to my country and I wish that there was more being done to prevent such people from serving. Yo, just wanted to play devils advocate here and defend them. It's pretty easy to come down on their actions (its created a media shitstorm for obvious reasons, and I bet they will be caught since its already been narrowed to sniper teams) and judge them as a result. Disrespecting the dead goes against just about every culture. I think its short-sighted and naive to say that they are terrible people though. War can mess with people and their mental states in serious ways. Maybe they were upstanding and moral before and have since changed after stress and violence like seeing friends killed in front of them.
Then they weren't fit for duty. My point in the OP is that soldiers who are not fit for duty are continuing to serve. I don't care who they used to be. People in their situation should be admitted to a psychiatric facility and dealt with, just as any other person would. There need to be stricter standards for when someone is considered good enough to represent our country as a solider.
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On January 12 2012 10:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
These specific men are jerks (although not as detestable as the marines who threw the puppy over the cliff).
Marines, in general, are honorable men.
Funny because many of the people from my High School that went into the Army/Marines were fucking assholes.
On January 12 2012 10:52 Alryk wrote:
Don't try and judge soldiers like civilians. You have no idea what the marines and soldiers on the ground go through, and what they have to suffer through every day. If you aren't haunted nightly by the memories of the faces of people that you've bombed, shot, or had shot, then judge lightly. The vast majority of soldiers, airmen, sailors, and marines fight because they believe in something. We aren't bred for mass murder.
Have some more respect (especially those of you in the United States) please. I'm not trying to condone the actions of the people in the OP (I think it is despicable), but please lump them in with the minority, and not the vast majority.
So soldiers are better than civilians? I personally don't look up to any soldiers fighting in the current middle eastern wars because they aren't actually fighting for my freedom. We actually haven't had a fight for our freedom in ages. Many soldiers have the same problem cops do - they think they are higher up than civilians. It doesn't work that way sorry.
Many people actually enjoy being in the army etc because they like guns, and get to shoot people.
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On January 12 2012 10:42 zVooky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:38 Humanfails wrote:On January 12 2012 10:34 zVooky wrote:
I dont really understand what people want from those guys, on 1 hand you want them to witness all the brutal stuff that comes with war and on the other hand you want them to be completely unaffected by that? It's NOT going to happen like that. Truth is those guys end up F'ed in the head. The STRONGEST of people will with enough war stuff going on.
Is it right? No, Is it wrong? well who the hell are we to judge? These guys that they're urinating on could be some guys that killed their best friends or harmed civilians.. its impossible to tell. Can't just take what the media says and go OH THATS TERRIBLE! Put yourself in those persons shoes for a min and maybe it wont completely make sense but somewhat make sense. its called "not being psychologically fit to conduct warfare". Either they have the mentality of sociopathic monsters, or they gain one through warfare. Yes but its the guys they bash as "monsters" that protect the country to begin with and give it freedom. Look at some of the stories of stonings and such from other countries, ever wonder why that doesn't happen in the US like it does else where? Sorry but freedom is won with wars and these people you call monsters. I would never want to be put in the situation they are and thus I will never condemn their actions as I know not what these people have gone through.
Pretty sure soldiers have nothing to do with not having monstrous acts like stoning happen. It is the constitution of the US that has given americans the opportunity to no longer sink to that level (though it wasn't that long ago when lynchings were happening in the south). Your founding fathers would have thrown away everything if they had relied only on war to win their freedom. Instead they relied on creating a constitution that enshrined (albeit in a bigoted way to go with the times) the freedoms that soldier could never have gotten them. That is why Washington resigned his commission after winning and why he spoke against involvement in foreign wars. This is why Hamilton spoke against standing armies in Fed 26.
Honestly even the American status as a superpower has little to do with soldiers and everything to do with the technological base and the industrial capacity.
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While I would not partake in this kind of behavior, one must look at all the facts and realize ptsd does bring out the worse in a lot of people. Remember that the enemy has also desecrated our bodies time and time again including beheading. Not saying it's right, but on a large scale these small occurring events are not that big and wide spread considering the fact of how long the war has been going on.
As for your wedding friends, first they were playing a video game and were probably out of context having a bit "to much" fun. Racism is a huge problem that stems from war and there is nothing that can be done about that, when you are witnessing many events of death or hostile actions against you or what you must do yourself, racism just happens. It sucks.
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On January 12 2012 10:38 Humanfails wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:34 zVooky wrote:
I dont really understand what people want from those guys, on 1 hand you want them to witness all the brutal stuff that comes with war and on the other hand you want them to be completely unaffected by that? It's NOT going to happen like that. Truth is those guys end up F'ed in the head. The STRONGEST of people will with enough war stuff going on.
Is it right? No, Is it wrong? well who the hell are we to judge? These guys that they're urinating on could be some guys that killed their best friends or harmed civilians.. its impossible to tell. Can't just take what the media says and go OH THATS TERRIBLE! Put yourself in those persons shoes for a min and maybe it wont completely make sense but somewhat make sense. its called "not being psychologically fit to conduct warfare". Either they have the mentality of sociopathic monsters, or they gain one through warfare.
You know this from personal experience do you?
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On January 12 2012 10:31 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:24 Arterial wrote:On January 12 2012 10:12 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On January 12 2012 09:58 Mohdoo wrote:Source: http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/11/us/video-marines-urinating/index.html?hpt=hp_t3Washington (CNN) -- A number of websites including TMZ and YouTube posted a video Wednesday showing four men dressed in U.S. Marine Corps combat gear urinating on the apparently dead bodies of three men sprawled on the ground in front of them.
One of the men says, "Have a great day, buddy." A voice asks, "You got it on the video?" to which another voice responds, "Yeah." Another jokes, "Golden, like a shower." The US government has already commented on it and are currently investigating who did this. If I may, I would like to do more than post the story, but also give my personal experience with a group of marines. A friend of my girlfriend was getting married and my girlfriend was one of the bride's maids. As such, there was a get together the day before the wedding at their home for the brides maids and best men etc. As the boyfriend of a bride's maid, I had the pleasure of coming along as well. The man who she was marrying was a marine, and all of his best men were also marines who served together in Iraq or Afghanistan, I can't recall which. When I arrived, they were playing Resident Evil 4, I think. They would joke about how they pretended that the zombies were Muslims, and how they absolutely loved killing Muslims. One of them specifically mentioned how it made them feel amazing to kill Muslims, followed by the rest agreeing and talking about it. I was just kinda sitting on a chair in the living room, as they all sat on a couch. I was speechless and couldn't really wrap my mind around the fact that they meant what they were saying and really felt that way. They continued talking about how they hated Muslims and how much they miss killing them in the war. I could tell that they were being serious and saw nothing wrong with what they were saying. I know its hard to really describe, but I could tell they were being quite serious. The bride and groom were very religious, and the other marines seemed to be the same. I know that some, far from all, Christians see Muslim faith as a competitor of sorts. Nevertheless, the most disgusting behavior I've ever had the displeasure of of watching. I don't like how just about any physically capable person can become a marine. I don't like that there are such low psychological and mental requirements. If someone is given, they need to be an outstanding person. The people shown in this video and the group of marines I described are certainly far from DECENT people. They bring shame to my country and I wish that there was more being done to prevent such people from serving. Note: I do not feel these in the video or the ones I met in person represent Marines or the US military as a whole. However, these people were issued guns and were put in situations where they had the potential to harm civilians. This is beyond unacceptable. It shouldn't be so easy to be a marine. There have been similar incidents in the past as well. 1. What is wrong with pissing on bodies? I mean, it's unprofessional, and rude, but is there anything really morally wrong with it? It's a peace of dead meat. The person isn't inside that body any more. 2. Why include the ridiculous anecdotal story about some marines joking around while playing a game? I don't see how this connects with the article at all. Furthermore, I have heard a thousand variations of this same story a thousand times, and so that makes me wonder why you put it here even more. 3. You don't have to be nice to be a solider. On the contrary, the military would probably prefer having the nasty guy to the nice guy. The nice guy is good, but when it comes time to blow some people up and kill some people, you don't want someone who has a problem with killing. You want someone that wants to kill, likes to kill, and will kill. 4. It isn't easy being a soldier. We need soldiers though, and they don't need to be great people. They need to be killers. Killers, often, are not the greatest people. There aren't enough nice people who are also killers to fill the shoes that we need. Life sucks, move on. Typed from the comfort of your home, no doubt. 1) Would you be okay with people pissing on your dead relatives bodies? They're just pieces of meat anyway right? 2) Let's say for example that you're of an asian background. Would you be okay with it if those guys were talking about killing asians? 3) This kind of logic sounds like something that's been brought up by hollywood movies. 4) Look at no.3. Way to post a ignorant and one-sided post buddy. What does me being at home have to do with anything? 1. My dead relatives are worm food right now. They are probably currently rotting. I don't see how rotting is better than being pissed on. I would laugh in someones face if they told me they pissed on my dead relatives body. It's a body. No one is being hurt by that. 2. I don't believe the OP's story. I think he made it up on the spot. But even if it is true, so what? I wasn't there so I can't comment. Probably they were joking. 3. IDK what to tell you. Go join the military. 4. So you think the military isn't about killing?
What? No the military isnt about killing. Its task is defending the nation that supports it. Killing might be a side effect of that but its not the reason a military exists. Also the military has different branches as well. Humanitarian, scientific, it renders aid in case of natural or artificial disasters etc.
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Has there ever been a conquering army that respected the people they invade? I can't think of one.
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On January 12 2012 10:56 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:43 calgar wrote:I don't like how just about any physically capable person can become a marine. I don't like that there are such low psychological and mental requirements. If someone is given, they need to be an outstanding person. The people shown in this video and the group of marines I described are certainly far from DECENT people. They bring shame to my country and I wish that there was more being done to prevent such people from serving. Yo, just wanted to play devils advocate here and defend them. It's pretty easy to come down on their actions (its created a media shitstorm for obvious reasons, and I bet they will be caught since its already been narrowed to sniper teams) and judge them as a result. Disrespecting the dead goes against just about every culture. I think its short-sighted and naive to say that they are terrible people though. War can mess with people and their mental states in serious ways. Maybe they were upstanding and moral before and have since changed after stress and violence like seeing friends killed in front of them. Then they weren't fit for duty. My point in the OP is that soldiers who are not fit for duty are continuing to serve. I don't care who they used to be. People in their situation should be admitted to a psychiatric facility and dealt with, just as any other person would. There need to be stricter standards for when someone is considered good enough to represent our country as a solider.
Why are they not fit for duty? Who did they hurt?
What standards do you think the military has, and how should they be changed? Why should they be changed?
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