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Source: http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/11/us/video-marines-urinating/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
Washington (CNN) -- A number of websites including TMZ and YouTube posted a video Wednesday showing four men dressed in U.S. Marine Corps combat gear urinating on the apparently dead bodies of three men sprawled on the ground in front of them.
One of the men says, "Have a great day, buddy." A voice asks, "You got it on the video?" to which another voice responds, "Yeah." Another jokes, "Golden, like a shower."
The US government has already commented on it and are currently investigating who did this.
If I may, I would like to do more than post the story, but also give my personal experience with a group of marines.
A friend of my girlfriend was getting married and my girlfriend was one of the bride's maids. As such, there was a get together the day before the wedding at their home for the brides maids and best men etc. As the boyfriend of a bride's maid, I had the pleasure of coming along as well. The man who she was marrying was a marine, and all of his best men were also marines who served together in Iraq or Afghanistan, I can't recall which. When I arrived, they were playing Resident Evil 4, I think. They would joke about how they pretended that the zombies were Muslims, and how they absolutely loved killing Muslims. One of them specifically mentioned how it made them feel amazing to kill Muslims, followed by the rest agreeing and talking about it. I was just kinda sitting on a chair in the living room, as they all sat on a couch. I was speechless and couldn't really wrap my mind around the fact that they meant what they were saying and really felt that way. They continued talking about how they hated Muslims and how much they miss killing them in the war. I could tell that they were being serious and saw nothing wrong with what they were saying. I know its hard to really describe, but I could tell they were being quite serious. The bride and groom were very religious, and the other marines seemed to be the same. I know that some, far from all, Christians see Muslim faith as a competitor of sorts. Nevertheless, the most disgusting behavior I've ever had the displeasure of of watching.
I don't like how just about any physically capable person can become a marine. I don't like that there are such low psychological and mental requirements. If someone is given, they need to be an outstanding person. The people shown in this video and the group of marines I described are certainly far from DECENT people. They bring shame to my country and I wish that there was more being done to prevent such people from serving.
Note: I do not feel these in the video or the ones I met in person represent Marines or the US military as a whole. However, these people were issued guns and were put in situations where they had the potential to harm civilians. This is beyond unacceptable. It shouldn't be so easy to be a marine. There have been similar incidents in the past as well.
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These specific men are jerks (although not as detestable as the marines who threw the puppy over the cliff).
Marines, in general, are honorable men.
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When you're giving people weapons and authority and sending them into another people's country, the tolerance for error and abuse needs to be zero. The unfortunate reality is that the United States is hardly fit to lead by example and many of the soldiers are just as disgusting as the commanders and politicians and policies that govern them.
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You also need to take into account the fact that war is life or death and that perhaps these marines were changed during combat. Also Muslims, although wrong, can be used as a blanket term for the people they were fighting. I highly doubt they missed killing women and children of the Muslim faith. You can see where that would be mininterpretted. Also, have you been to war? If not, do not be so quick to judge those who protect our nation's interests.
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You can't judge an entire group of people based on the actions of a few individuals.
Your very own story illustrates this. Perhaps those Marines hate Muslims because of the select few that attacked/fought them or whatever?
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What was the US government comment out of curiosity?
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On January 12 2012 10:05 1Eris1 wrote:
You can't judge an entire group of people based on the actions of a few individuals.
Your very own story illustrates this. Perhaps those Marines hate Muslims because of the select few that attacked/fought them or whatever?
Nicely said.
Media will pounce on it regardless. We just have to keep an open mind.
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On January 12 2012 09:58 Mohdoo wrote:Source: http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/11/us/video-marines-urinating/index.html?hpt=hp_t3Show nested quote +Washington (CNN) -- A number of websites including TMZ and YouTube posted a video Wednesday showing four men dressed in U.S. Marine Corps combat gear urinating on the apparently dead bodies of three men sprawled on the ground in front of them.
One of the men says, "Have a great day, buddy." A voice asks, "You got it on the video?" to which another voice responds, "Yeah." Another jokes, "Golden, like a shower." The US government has already commented on it and are currently investigating who did this. If I may, I would like to do more than post the story, but also give my personal experience with a group of marines. A friend of my girlfriend was getting married and my girlfriend was one of the bride's maids. As such, there was a get together the day before the wedding at their home for the brides maids and best men etc. As the boyfriend of a bride's maid, I had the pleasure of coming along as well. The man who she was marrying was a marine, and all of his best men were also marines who served together in Iraq or Afghanistan, I can't recall which. When I arrived, they were playing Resident Evil 4, I think. They would joke about how they pretended that the zombies were Muslims, and how they absolutely loved killing Muslims. One of them specifically mentioned how it made them feel amazing to kill Muslims, followed by the rest agreeing and talking about it. I was just kinda sitting on a chair in the living room, as they all sat on a couch. I was speechless and couldn't really wrap my mind around the fact that they meant what they were saying and really felt that way. They continued talking about how they hated Muslims and how much they miss killing them in the war. I could tell that they were being serious and saw nothing wrong with what they were saying. I know its hard to really describe, but I could tell they were being quite serious. The bride and groom were very religious, and the other marines seemed to be the same. I know that some, far from all, Christians see Muslim faith as a competitor of sorts. Nevertheless, the most disgusting behavior I've ever had the displeasure of of watching. I don't like how just about any physically capable person can become a marine. I don't like that there are such low psychological and mental requirements. If someone is given, they need to be an outstanding person. The people shown in this video and the group of marines I described are certainly far from DECENT people. They bring shame to my country and I wish that there was more being done to prevent such people from serving. Note: I do not feel these in the video or the ones I met in person represent Marines or the US military as a whole. However, these people were issued guns and were put in situations where they had the potential to harm civilians. This is beyond unacceptable. It shouldn't be so easy to be a marine. There have been similar incidents in the past as well.
1. What is wrong with pissing on bodies? I mean, it's unprofessional, and rude, but is there anything really morally wrong with it? It's a peace of dead meat. The person isn't inside that body any more.
2. Why include the ridiculous anecdotal story about some marines joking around while playing a game? I don't see how this connects with the article at all. Furthermore, I have heard a thousand variations of this same story a thousand times, and so that makes me wonder why you put it here even more.
3. You don't have to be nice to be a solider. On the contrary, the military would probably prefer having the nasty guy to the nice guy. The nice guy is good, but when it comes time to blow some people up and kill some people, you don't want someone who has a problem with killing. You want someone that wants to kill, likes to kill, and will kill.
4. It isn't easy being a soldier. We need soldiers though, and they don't need to be great people. They need to be killers. Killers, often, are not the greatest people. There aren't enough nice people who are also killers to fill the shoes that we need. Life sucks, move on.
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On January 12 2012 10:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
These specific men are jerks (although not as detestable as the marines who threw the puppy over the cliff).
Marines, in general, are honorable men.
Soldiers in general, are brainwashed to imorality and mass murder. As OPs example shows.
I find the entire military system (at least where i come from) to be a childish, money sink.
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On January 12 2012 10:09 Brett wrote:
What was the US government comment out of curiosity?
Most likely our government won't issue out a comment, the USMC probably will.
edit: NVM, they already did
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On January 12 2012 10:05 Swaddled wrote:
You also need to take into account the fact that war is life or death and that perhaps these marines were changed during combat. Also Muslims, although wrong, can be used as a blanket term for the people they were fighting. I highly doubt they missed killing women and children of the Muslim faith. You can see where that would be mininterpretted. Also, have you been to war? If not, do not be so quick to judge those who protect our nation's interests.
None of that matters. When a person can take pleasure in ending the life of another, they are truly sadistic. I also don't agree with the statement that our armed forces are currently "protecting our nation's interests." Current U.S. foreign policy in regards to countries in the Middle East is almost imperialistic in nature, they're not protecting anyone.
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On January 12 2012 10:13 Leaky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:05 Swaddled wrote:
You also need to take into account the fact that war is life or death and that perhaps these marines were changed during combat. Also Muslims, although wrong, can be used as a blanket term for the people they were fighting. I highly doubt they missed killing women and children of the Muslim faith. You can see where that would be mininterpretted. Also, have you been to war? If not, do not be so quick to judge those who protect our nation's interests. None of that matters. When a person can take pleasure in ending the life of another, they are truly sadistic. I also don't agree with the statement that our armed forces are currently "protecting our nation's interests." Current U.S. foreign policy in regards to countries in the Middle East is almost imperialistic in nature, they're not protecting anyone.
I would disagree, They are protecting the wealth of the few.
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On January 12 2012 10:13 Leaky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:05 Swaddled wrote:
You also need to take into account the fact that war is life or death and that perhaps these marines were changed during combat. Also Muslims, although wrong, can be used as a blanket term for the people they were fighting. I highly doubt they missed killing women and children of the Muslim faith. You can see where that would be mininterpretted. Also, have you been to war? If not, do not be so quick to judge those who protect our nation's interests. None of that matters. When a person can take pleasure in ending the life of another, they are truly sadistic. I also don't agree with the statement that our armed forces are currently "protecting our nation's interests." Current U.S. foreign policy in regards to countries in the Middle East is almost imperialistic in nature, they're not protecting anyone.
You've probably never killed anyone, or had much discussion with those who have.
Let's just say, ignorance is bliss.
Me? I think jumping out of a plane would be scarier than shit. Someone else? The adrenaline rush makes them love it.
Me? I think shooting someone in the face while in a fire-fight would be scarier than shit. Someone else? The adrenaline rush makes them love it.
So you know, try not being so black and white with your judgments...
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of course they're stupid enough to make a video.
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On January 12 2012 10:13 Leaky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:05 Swaddled wrote:
You also need to take into account the fact that war is life or death and that perhaps these marines were changed during combat. Also Muslims, although wrong, can be used as a blanket term for the people they were fighting. I highly doubt they missed killing women and children of the Muslim faith. You can see where that would be mininterpretted. Also, have you been to war? If not, do not be so quick to judge those who protect our nation's interests. None of that matters. When a person can take pleasure in ending the life of another, they are truly sadistic. I also don't agree with the statement that our armed forces are currently "protecting our nation's interests." Current U.S. foreign policy in regards to countries in the Middle East is almost imperialistic in nature, they're not protecting anyone.
Not that I support it, but in a non-ethical and political sense, how is keeping the oil flowing not maintaining our nation's interests?
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Thisi snt news. What about the videos of marines killing civilans, planting guns on their bodes to fake an attack justified killing, and then cutting off and keeping body parts?
I've seen so much of this this doesn't surprise or anger me any further than I already am.
On January 12 2012 10:16 Hikko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:13 Leaky wrote:On January 12 2012 10:05 Swaddled wrote:
You also need to take into account the fact that war is life or death and that perhaps these marines were changed during combat. Also Muslims, although wrong, can be used as a blanket term for the people they were fighting. I highly doubt they missed killing women and children of the Muslim faith. You can see where that would be mininterpretted. Also, have you been to war? If not, do not be so quick to judge those who protect our nation's interests. None of that matters. When a person can take pleasure in ending the life of another, they are truly sadistic. I also don't agree with the statement that our armed forces are currently "protecting our nation's interests." Current U.S. foreign policy in regards to countries in the Middle East is almost imperialistic in nature, they're not protecting anyone. Not that I support it, but how is keeping the oil flowing not maintaining our nation's interests?
yeah, plunging two countries into chaos and havign all the innocent people in that country live in FEAR and worry about their lives daily, just to keep oil flowing... Lets not forget all the dead civilians in the 100,000's shall we. ALso, if you take that first line "live in fear", isnt that what terrorists seek to craete? Either we played along with the terrorists by creating this, or we ARE the terrorists for having a hand in causing it ourselves.
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On January 12 2012 10:05 Swaddled wrote:
Also, have you been to war? If not, do not be so quick to judge those who protect our nation's interests.
lol! "Our nation's interest" - that's just murder and theft if you ask me.
That was a horrible story.
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"They bring shame to my country..." I wish people spoke like this more nowadays.
That's a sad news story, and yours is even more sad.
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They got a building down New York City, it's called Whitehall Street,
where you walk in, you get injected, inspected, detected, infected,
neglected and selected. I went down to get my physical examination one
day, and I walked in, I sat down, got good and drunk the night before, so
I looked and felt my best when I went in that morning. `Cause I wanted to
look like the all-American kid from New York City, man I wanted, I wanted
to feel like the all-, I wanted to be the all American kid from New York,
and I walked in, sat down, I was hung down, brung down, hung up, and all
kinds o' mean nasty ugly things. And I waked in and sat down and they gave
me a piece of paper, said, "Kid, see the phsychiatrist, room 604."
And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."
Didn't feel too good about it.
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