EPTOn December 15 2011 05:04 Roxy wrote:
I dont understand. so he isnt banned from code s?
I dont understand. so he isnt banned from code s?
He wasn't banned, he wasn't given an invite to next Code S, which instead went to IdrA and Sen.
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EZSkull
United States230 Posts
He wasn't banned, he wasn't given an invite to next Code S, which instead went to IdrA and Sen. | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
In this case you have to face the results. Also, this 99% thing is BS. If I´d believe 99% of the worlds population are arrogant, immature, disrespectful kids I would go kill myself. Yeah sure, you would totaly spend 100% of your remaining powers in a game that doesnt even matter and that you actually dont want to play, while already being exhausted and depressed. Please stop lying. | ||
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msl
Germany477 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:55 Jono7272 wrote: His Code S spot was never guaranteed, it was an invite seed. For his attitude they changed their mind about inviting him, that's all. What should be the punishment? As obviously GOM feel he acted immaturely and unprofessional. A fine is not really an option for this kind of misconduct. People keep saying the spot wasn't garunteed, yet if you asked anybody if Naniwar was going to play in Caode S 48 hours ago, everybody woukd have said "Yes" and not "I GOM feels like it". He either had a Code S spot ot the fans were actually misled in that regard. What should be the punishment? None, as no rule was broken. A warning might be issued that this type of behaviour is not deemed acceptable by GOM and will be punished in the future. Then rules should be made for the future which clearly state what is and is not acceptable and what consequences there can be for breaking said rule. | ||
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Moa
United States790 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:59 GodZo wrote: Naniwa deserves the Code S Spot. GOM made a mistake in that situation, because it was an insignificant match, and it was much more funny than any other "4 gate" or trash game... Naniwa didn't offend or hurt anybody. GOM and other persons have not humor, and don't consider the game for what it is, a funny game, not much more. He actually offended a lot of people. Have you seen what the Koreans are saying about this. | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:04 Roxy wrote: I dont understand. so he isnt banned from code s? He was gonna be in code s (because of mlg or an invitation, it's obscure) but because of his game against nestea they decided to give it to sen. Apparently if nani wants to play gsl january he will have to qualify for code a. | ||
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HandleTaken
Sweden81 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:07 Ysellian wrote: Disciplinary actions regarding Dinamo Zagreb are still ongoing. The first probe for corruption was thrown off, but if Uefa let this pass than the champions league can say goodbye to it's integrity and you know it. I'm sure Zagreb will get fined and that's exactly what should have happened to Naniwa. Make him pay back his Blizzard cup prize money in a fine (since GOM thinks Naniwa has shown unsportsmanlike behavior). Throwing Naniwa out of next GSL-season is just overdoing it. | ||
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Hohto
Finland18 Posts
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Noktix
United States492 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:59 o[twist] wrote: actually, if you're a shitty employee, you'll be fired, and if you're fired without cause or for spurious cause then you can probably sue for wrongful termination, and either way you can get severance pay, etc. First off all, this is Korea, not the US. Second of all, fired without cause? Hundreds of thousands saw Naniwa throw a game intentionally. Whether you agree with it or not, it breaks one of Gom's rules. People need to understand that the Code S invite is a privilege, not a right. | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:59 Noktix wrote: Gom owes Naniwa nothing. Guess what - if you bite the hand that feeds you, you won't be fucking fed. If Naniwa wants to throw games in the biggest Esports tourney in the world, then he should accept the consequences of that. There really is nothing to argue here. If you're a shitty employee then you won't be employed. You are wrong... Gom owes a lot of people something here. Gom owes Naniwa treatment deserving of a programer. Had any other tournament(imagine NASL) forced a progamer who had just poured his heart and soul into 3 heartwrenching losses, to play a meaningless game on stage, they would have gotten so much shit the tables would be completely turned on this discussion. Gom owes the viewers, you know those of us who pay fucking 200 dollars a year to watch and support their tournament, meaningful games instead of putting THAT up on stage. Gom owes MLG an adherence to their fucking contract and to not de-legitamize their entire tournament with this crap. When a korean player takes the GUARANTEED SEED from MLG its a GUARANTEED SEED. When Naniwa wins the GUARANTEED SEED from MLG, and then does something stupid(even when GOM is as much to blame) its no longer a GUARANTEED SEED and is now a conditional invite. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:56 Fandango wrote: I really dislike that they're co-opting 'progamer' to mean the thing which helps the business side of things out (i.e. appeasing the fans and acting in a pre-approved manner), over meaning players who play the game at its highest competitive level, for the competition itself, using prize money to support that dedication. It's irritating because it can easily turn into a slippery slope where we end up with the kind of stilted interviews and lack of personality of BW events for fear of upsetting the infrastructure that supports them. The globalisation of starcraft has been fantastic for distributing the power of the tournament organisers to control things for ulterior motives that benefit them over the players, but the GSL having the best players means it has the most leverage to do things that satisfy their agenda, whether it's good for the players or not. The weird way people put korean culture on a pedastal is really depressing too, where they think because it's korean they have a right to do things that negatively impact the scene as a whole. In general this whole thing has been one of the most depressing series of events to read on TL and honestly makes me more apathetic about people in general than ever. The amount of bizarre justifications ranging from conservative talking points that make no sense, to pro korean xenophobia, to 'for the greater esports good', to basing arguments off extrapolated opinions with little basis in fact. There's barely been 1 in 10 posts that hasn't included something that isn't a horrible abortion of logic and language. I agree with every single word. We need to let go of the notion that the korean way is the ultimate way | ||
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-y0shi-
Germany994 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:04 Teriyaki-Boy wrote: .Its like saying fuck your viewers, fuck your tournament. To act on one own feelings and not caring about other in a business environment is unacceptable and i stand by Gom for the Punishment. This is what I just dont understand... YOu know what I consider "fuck you" to the viewers? Forcing a half assed game between two guys who arent focused down the vciewers throat just because you need to satisfy some artifical hype.. Nani simply felt like he coudlt deliver and didnt try to pretend because he didnt want to waste anyones time. | ||
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ackbar
United States94 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:05 Moa wrote: He actually offended a lot of people. Have you seen what the Koreans are saying about this. Agreed. Koreans have very different cultural norms and values. Not necessarily better or worse - just different. From a western perspective, this was bm and probably not a wise move, but ultimately forgivable. To them, this was a slap in the face. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:04 Roxy wrote: I dont understand. so he isnt banned from code s? He's not getting a Code S seed. How you choose to see that is up to you. | ||
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:04 Roxy wrote: I dont understand. so he isnt banned from code s? reading is fundamental my friend like it has been mentioned millions of times, his invitation to Code S January was voided, but he could still try and qualify for subsequent GSL tournaments. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:48 o[twist] wrote: name another sport where you can be thrown out for "breaking cultural norms" with no specific rule In every Sport's buisness you get punished for unsporting behavior. I think the major point is: This is not a formal punishment for Naniwa which had to be covered by rules. In fact: Naniwa just simply showed with his actions, that he doesn't have the attitude and shares the values, that they expect from a pro gamer. So they decided to give their seed to another one. Since there is no official participation list for GSL January, I don't expect, that a formal invitation exists at this point in time. So since you don't qualify on the official way (Code A Qualifier -> Code A -> Code S), I think GOM should be able to decide on their own, who they want to invite. And seriously Naniwa gave them several reasons, that he might not be the player, they are looking for. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:04 -DMducky wrote: Coming from a Asian background; If someone walked around my house with their shoes on I would have kicked that person out of my house too... Overall in my opinion he was being disrespectful. Punishment is harsh, but it was necessary. Still welcome in my house next time, just has to take the shoes off. Really? Why not just ask to take their shoes off? If you invited me to a party I'd be worried I might be kicked out for whatever. Unless you'd have a really amazing party I might just pass just to be on the safe side. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:04 Teriyaki-Boy wrote: They are asking him to be little more professional and try to act like do care about the Fans and the viewers...yeah the tournament was meaningful to Naniwa until he got 0-3 and then decide to throw away the game in the most obvious way..Its like saying fuck your viewers, fuck your tournament. To act on one own feelings and not caring about other in a business environment is unacceptable and i stand by Gom for the Punishment. Everyone shits all over Naniwa and GOM is expected to take 0 responsibility over a shitty format that was half the problem in the first place. Enraged FANS should be angry GOM facilitates a format that ends up in fake matches that are UNENJOYABLE to watch. By siding with GOM you're basically agreeing that shitty 4 gates/6 gates are fun to watch and GOM should provoke more with even MORE inconsequential matches. On December 15 2011 05:04 -DMducky wrote: Coming from a Asian background; If someone walked around my house with their shoes on I would have kicked that person out of my house too... Overall in my opinion he was being disrespectful. Punishment is harsh, but it was necessary. Still welcome in my house next time, just has to take the shoes off. Hi welcome to my house. I realize you've been shot several times, come sit do- My god. MY GOD. THOSE ARE SHOES. LEAVE MY HOUSE. IMMEDIATELY. *BEATS WITH A BASEBALL BAT* DON'T EVER COME BACK AGAIN. | ||
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jyisvip
Canada209 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:01 Cascade wrote: thanks namkung. quoted for visibility, plz OP, update. If you agree on the translation of course... That is pretty much stretching what that word means. 청년 means young man and nothing more. I believe that word was just used to make a coherent sentence and nothing more. | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:08 -y0shi- wrote: This is what I just dont understand... YOu know what I consider "fuck you" to the viewers? Forcing a half assed game between two guys who arent focused down the vciewers throat just because you need to satisfy some artifical hype.. Nani simply felt like he coudlt deliver and didnt try to pretend because he didnt want to waste anyones time. The tournament was round robin, presumably to let the viewers see all these awesome players play each other. What is GOM supposed to do, "sorry viewers who paid $10 to see a tournament that's less than a week long, Nani doesn't feel like playing anymore"? | ||
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pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:07 Noktix wrote: First off all, this is Korea, not the US. Second of all, fired without cause? Hundreds of thousands saw Naniwa throw a game intentionally. Whether you agree with it or not, it breaks one of Gom's rules. People need to understand that the Code S invite is a privilege, not a right. Tell me which rule, nobody is sure about it | ||
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