EPTNaNiwa not invited to Code S - Page 54
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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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StavrosHL
Greece128 Posts
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Lugia101
United States24 Posts
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Executor1
1353 Posts
Well honestly who wouldnt be offended by that in at least a small way? A player doesnt respect you enough to play against you. I am pretty sure if it was any other player he would have played the game out. Its just because it was nestea and he was worried about losing face after talking all that shit at the press conference earlier. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
people don't know what the word hypocrite or the phrase double standard actually mean evidenced by plenty of posts in this thread. | ||
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tnud
Sweden2233 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:57 Snowen wrote: Everyone knows nothing would happen. Hes done stupid stuff before in the GSL and nothing happened, despite actually BREAKING rules, unlike Naniwa. Damn right he has, every time Idra "all-ins" it's the stupidest version of that particular all in ever. He throws games all the time. Ban him now, I demand equality! (Give Nani his spot back.) | ||
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Kar98
Australia924 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:52 GoonFFS wrote: GSL = boring as fuck now Why because they are banning terrible players =]? | ||
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ThaSlayer
707 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:57 Serpico wrote: Oh please, any action is rationalized away with "It's their culture." It isnt even a real reason. Its not about Korean Culture. Naniwa is a progamer by profession and he is expected to uphold it. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
But this isn't the right way to go about things. Hoping GOM Rescinds their decision on removing Naniwa's Code S Spot he earned it and didn't break any rules. | ||
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Europes-Mima
Germany33 Posts
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andaylin
United States10830 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:54 mrtomjones wrote: No they don't. Idra was nothing but respectful with GSL. They gave him a farewell vid. you mean the funeral vid? they were just happy he was gone! they didn't think he would be back haha im jkjk  will be nice seeing IdrA in Code S again, he can no doubt take out some of the more undeserving terrans I'm sure. | ||
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
With speculation of GOM potentially enforcing a punishment I was in shock. There are actually many ways you can view that as being wrong, depending on how serious. Only the littlest meaningless symbolic punishment can be justified. To add some arguments for this. When Coca got in trouble. GOM didn't do anything. Back then I said it is bad for them to let the team handle it because that means GOM hasn't taken any action and hasn't shown any rules regarding such things going forward. Had GOM taken the action themselves it would have been a bit different. The Rain situation was a "farce". Rain already quit the GSL and would never play the seasons that he got suspended for. I cannot remember what happened in the case of ChoyafOu. As someone mentioned this page or previous page. A rule regarding disrespect is something subjective. It's like being insulted. I can be insulted because you tell me my hair is stupid. But then on another day I don't care if you tell me that and so on. It's really bad to start taking action on points like this. The absence of a concrete rule should be seen as a breach in their own rule set and they should take the hit for not being able to enforce the rule they want because they first have to set it up and make it into a rule. I would also like to remind people that this actually has nothing to do with Naniwa or what happened with Naniwa. Based purely on GOM, their rules and actions you will get enough material to support a stance of disagreement with GOM. There is also an element of Foreigner vs Korean here. I think we are much more lenient when it comes to these things. MLG we forfeit matches, we coinflip them, we don't show up to NASL division matches, we obviously throw matches. The thing that angers me is that a worker rush is no different than a fast expansion or a proxy stargate. They are all strategies. You cannot claim anything beyond that. Even though it seems like he threw the match and he probably did, unless he actually makes that statement you have nothing to go about. Didn't IdrA "throw" many games? Don't we see many games where people are already through but they play really fucking dumb builds because they don't wanna show their good builds? I don't mind that, it's part of the game. And so is this. I like Naniwa a lot. His play gives me real amazement since it's so refined. I can relate a his behaviour and with so many people that cannot it gives me a player that is statisfying to continue to support. Every season with Naniwa and the other foreigners in Code A and purchased a ticket without thinking. Normally I alternate season tickets because of time limitations. It pleases me to see many people take a stand and even ones with some status. Especially considering I was extremely dissapointed in many of the tweets/reactions these community figures made against Naniwa's behaviour. I'm sure we all read Morrow's post, I don't mean those, Morrow's post was real and gave some sanity back. I'm going to consider joining up in some sort of boycott. That always seems legit and puts your money where your mouth is. I actually don't feel I'm missing out. Yesterday I was contemplating this because I thought, if they actually do any punishment, in particular take Code S which is.. unbelievable.. it makes me feel so sick. How can I enjoy watching anything when this organization does such a dirty thing? I won't and I will not purchase /' watch / support the GSL if they go through with this. Remember when people got upset that Team MVP qualified for the GSTL and IM didn't? Yea that was legit, this isn't. + Show Spoiler [Not incredibly relevant pieces of song…] + + Show Spoiler + You want to save the world? I can tell you what to do! You want to end terror? This solution is for you! Answer the call up join the proud the few. Pull on the trigger with your heart and soul Cause war is peace now we know. + Show Spoiler + To save you WE MAY HAVE TO KILL YOU! For freedom YOU MAY HAVE TO DIE! Number 1 at liberation Liberating life from bodies, helping spirits fly... Freedom from... LIFE! + Show Spoiler + LOOK BACK... on history, nothing much has changed THOUSANDS... of soldiers of all countries, all marching the same Every nation's leader says that our side is right Every nation's leader says the time has come to fight But they use the common people to settle their scores IT'S TIME THAT WE REFUSE TO FIGHT IN ANY OF THEIR WARS! | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:57 sickra wrote: No one forced him to do anything. He knew the format going in. If he didn't agree to the format. He should have refused the invite. I paid good money and I want to be entertained. Really, he knew the format? Didn't I just tell you, that they never did this before? And why would he refuse the invite? You're not making any sense... | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:54 theBALLS wrote: Poll: Should he have been banned? Yes, he had it coming. (103) No, it is too harsh. (94) 197 total votes Your vote: Should he have been banned? Looks like people are rather 50/50 about this matter huh. Chill guys, what's done has been done. Everyone will definitely still watch GSL, the world's not gonna end. He wasn't doing well in Korea anyway, maybe he's better off playing in western tournaments. | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:58 Lugia101 wrote: time for boycott, lol. Yeah, you go girl! | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:57 Soma.bokforlag wrote: I just e-mailed gom saying how i feel. i would urge everyone that cares about fairness and predictability and professionalism in e-sports to do the same. YES, you heard me right, professionalism! Professionalism is not coming up with stupid rules when things have already happened, to try to justify punishing people you dont like Unprofessional conduct and how Gom deals with it is actually a rule. They didn't magically come up with it and it is up to them how to enforce it. It might be vague but its there. Not to mention that Korean esport history has many historical analogies to back up their decision. | ||
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IMScientist
Italy125 Posts
I my opinion he did a disrespectful thing towards Nestea and the fans that expected them to play let's call it a show match they bought lost 0-3 and i think nestea wanted a good match a revenge for the loss from MLG. I think is not the surprising what gom tv did the ban is 1 season not perma ban. | ||
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hongyLOVE
United States30 Posts
If anything, show some respect to your opponent too. It was basically saying, you know what, you're not even worth my time and effort because I'm not getting any extra money for it. And people saying "Oh if Naniwa were Korean they (GOM) wouldn't have reacted that way". That's because they wouldn't have to, the TEAM would have given him a harsher punishment. (Coca) AND the people saying "No Naniwa, No yearly ticket". OH please. I think it's dumb that you'd buy a ticket solely based on one player. | ||
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Luppy1
Singapore177 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:58 Vari wrote: people don't know what the word hypocrite or the phrase double standard actually mean evidenced by plenty of posts in this thread. I don't see any double standards at all. You can't point out the double standard either. | ||
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Philipd122
Australia776 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:56 dakalro wrote: Well, cbf GSL anymore if they consider probe all in abusive. Where is it written in their rules? What other all ins are abusive? Their choice but it has no support for this one. They should add it for following offenses. Firstly, there is only 1 reason why Naniwa did the probe rush: because he couldn't forfeit his last match, which also means leaving the game as soon as the game loads. A probe rush is the quickest way of abusing this. Why 4 gate which takes about 4-6 minutes when you can lose in 1 minute? | ||
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tnud
Sweden2233 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:58 Kar98 wrote: Why because they are banning terrible players =]? Naniwa is one of the best protoss in the world lol | ||
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