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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
mtvacuum
Profile Joined January 2010
United States979 Posts
December 14 2011 11:01 GMT
#1101
for the people that are trying to argue that a probe rush is a legitimate strat for someone trying to win, please, just stop...
kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
December 14 2011 11:01 GMT
#1102
OMG, is GSL turning into KeSpa? If more ridiculous rulings like that happen, I'll definitely stop watching GSL. It's already boring with so few foreigners, now they ban Nani for reacting like a normal Person to their stupid Format?....
https://soundcloud.com/thesamplethief
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
December 14 2011 11:01 GMT
#1103
On December 14 2011 19:59 tnud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:58 Kar98 wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:52 GoonFFS wrote:
GSL = boring as fuck now

Why because they are banning terrible players =]?

Naniwa is one of the best protoss in the world lol

Is that why he's 1-12 in the GSL?
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
December 14 2011 11:02 GMT
#1104
On December 14 2011 19:59 Linwelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:58 bigjenk wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:55 mrtomjones wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:53 jalstar wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:52 mrtomjones wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:47 Ninjahoe wrote:
NaNi played MLGs ALL FUCKING YEAR LONG for this Code S seed, and they take it away for something like this.
Fucking retarded shit, obviously not thought through, just a snap-judgement-decision.

Joke joke joke joke fucking terrible joke


And everyone saying he deserved it and swedish ppl are definding him because he's swedish - That's fucking retarded, people defending him are the only ones thinking with a clear fucking mind.
I'm not saying what he did was good, and he deserves to be notified. Maybe a warning, to let him know that hey, that's not something we support for our invites, if you do something like that again you're out.

But not taking away something he worked hard for an entire year, now that's fucking retarded.

You clearly are thinking with a clear mind. Thats why you repeat words over and over and rage swear multiple times. THIS IS THE WARNING. It could have been much worse. And if you don't think they thought it through you are just so so naive.


Much worse? I'm surprised people are defending this, I'd love to hear the arguments of people who would defend a lifetime ban.

You obviously have no insite into the Asian culture or into professionalism in general so no point explaining anything. I never said a lifetime ban anyways.


Yeah asian culture in esports shows us inscruatable morals(savior scandle, xb, fruitdealer, coca, choya etc etc etc.)


They pretty much all got punished though


One by his own team because gom wouldn't and one by the government because he broke the law.
Ignore my opinions I am bad
OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
December 14 2011 11:02 GMT
#1105
On December 14 2011 19:54 Salteador Neo wrote:
If probe rushing is BM to the opponent what the crap are manner mules and dancing your units in their base?

Double standards.


False there is BM and then straight up disrespect and then actions that are deemed trash talk for example if you drop a mule that is something that could help you out but your saying you don't need it have it . if you /dance your units usually your winning and just saying with the game im so far ahead i can afford to do this

but

PULLING your probes to attack into a opponent is a strategy your doing with no chance to win and you know it your being a baby and just giving up your not allowing your opponent to showcase himself and show his mettle your down grading yourself infront of everyone and infront of a professional environment
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perestain
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany308 Posts
December 14 2011 11:02 GMT
#1106
On December 14 2011 20:00 johanreidel wrote:
I guess this is a cultural thing where appearance trumps honesty, to bad Naniwa comes from a culture where it's the reversed.

Remember kids, it's all about saving face and keeping up appearances! Honesty is for losers...



That sums it up pretty well actually.
No matter how hot it gets, sooner or later there's a cool breeze coming in.
Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
December 14 2011 11:02 GMT
#1107
On December 14 2011 19:45 Medrea wrote:
So Gom is removing people's Code S for doing certain strats?

Wish the same thing would happen if a Terran 1-1-1.

+ Show Spoiler +
Half joking, half serious.


I don't see why Naniwa got revoked. According to TL that was the best match of the night. Why ban the guy that gave you the best match of the night?

certain strats? a worker all in at the start? when the player says:
"@QuanticNaNi johan lucchesi
apparently people got upset when i probe rushed nestea, the game was pointless and it couldnt change anything in the tournament."
Its fucking pathetic, and honestly, anyone that defends him are sad, too, because esports should be professional. Not just "didnt feel like playing"
Look at albert haynesworth since he decided he didnt want to play for the redskins.
Ive lost all respect i had for nani, and im glad he got punished
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 14 2011 11:02 GMT
#1108
I can't believe how many people in this thread have argued that 6 probe worker rushing without even putting his hands on the mouse is somehow a viable strategy. It is not. It's about it's 3 button presses away from not actually pressing any buttons at all.
The Void
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany428 Posts
December 14 2011 11:02 GMT
#1109
On December 14 2011 19:37 Legace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:30 mgl0x9 wrote:
A Korean player WOULD NEVER do this and everyone knows it


Choya, Byun and CoCa.

They would never...

ye ^^
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gullberg
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden1301 Posts
December 14 2011 11:02 GMT
#1110
On December 14 2011 20:00 johanreidel wrote:
I guess this is a cultural thing where appearance trumps honesty, to bad Naniwa comes from a culture where it's the reversed.

Remember kids, it's all about saving face and keeping up appearances! Honesty is for losers...

Ever heard of respect and professionalism?
GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
December 14 2011 11:02 GMT
#1111
On December 14 2011 20:00 johanreidel wrote:
I guess this is a cultural thing where appearance trumps honesty, to bad Naniwa comes from a culture where it's the reversed.

Remember kids, it's all about saving face and keeping up appearances! Honesty is for losers...


Way to insult both Korean and Swedish culture in the same post, even if you only meant to insult Korean culture.
Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
December 14 2011 11:02 GMT
#1112
On December 14 2011 20:00 Ryps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:40 o)_Saurus wrote:
So to sum things up:

Naniwa got kicked out of german EPS.
Naniwa got kicked out of IEM.
Naniwa got kicked out of Code S.

Seriously, can you still say that he is "misunderstood"?


He was pretty close to getting some kind of punishment from MLG too, when he called them on stream amateur tournament or something pretty offensive like that, when he picked the wrong map LOL

there was also an issue where he said nasl is an amatour league. (but as i recall nasl decided to not ban him)

if mlg has the same rules als gsl does he could also be banned from mlg too since it would be basically the same thing with coca und byun (esv -> gsl ban)
hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
December 14 2011 11:02 GMT
#1113
This is low. Really low...it's not surprising considering the "honor code" that Koreans operate on but still.
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
December 14 2011 11:02 GMT
#1114
On December 14 2011 20:00 Lakai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:58 Vari wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:57 Luppy1 wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:55 SedativeDev wrote:
THIS IS STUPIDITY!!

well, when the next gsl is on air i will not tune in... simple as that

i won't watch some hypocrites with double standards.
GOM now looks a little bit more kespa...


What double standard? Care to explain?

people don't know what the word hypocrite or the phrase double standard actually mean

evidenced by plenty of posts in this thread.

Remove player for damaging the integrity of competition, randomly add two players to code S without qualifying. I see no hypocrisy here.

there are spots that need to be filled and how they fill them is up to them. and they weren't random choices... idra is never a random choice. he brings lots of viewers with him, for example.

no integrity has been damaged by them seeding foreigners.
Stroke Me Lady Fame
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
December 14 2011 11:02 GMT
#1115
I'm incredibly disappointed, I understand professional conduct is important, but are people SERIOUSLY offended by Naniwa's little probe rush?

Maybe if he did a repeat of his little thumbs down like he did at MLG, but for this?

I don't think its justified. At all.

Next thing you know not 'gg'ing will be considered offensive...
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
sickra
Profile Joined March 2011
68 Posts
December 14 2011 11:02 GMT
#1116
On December 14 2011 19:57 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
I just e-mailed gom saying how i feel. i would urge everyone that cares about fairness and predictability and professionalism in e-sports to do the same.

YES, you heard me right, professionalism! Professionalism is not coming up with stupid rules when things have already happened, to try to justify punishing people you dont like



I just emailed GOM to praise them. No professional league in any sport would ever tolerate players throwing games. This punishment will prevent same thing from happening in the future.
FORCEFIELD CAGE MARAUDER DIE DIE!!!
ChoboKal
Profile Joined September 2011
United States74 Posts
December 14 2011 11:02 GMT
#1117
Complexity is grinning so much right now!
IMmvp fanboy
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
December 14 2011 11:02 GMT
#1118
Hey if you get kicked out of other tournaments for BM then why would they imagine that he would stay in a tournament in Korea, where BM is probably the most looked down upon.

I'm indifferent to it. I think GOM acted right for the Korean audience, which is their main target audience anyway. Although yeah, Mr. Chae could have worded it differently. Then again, Naniwa could have done a different strat also so.
zolii
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland141 Posts
December 14 2011 11:03 GMT
#1119
Good call by GOM - unprofessional behaviour should have consequences
it does not matter if the match had no influence on the outcome of the group, a pro should play for the audience aswell as for himself - if Naniwa can't understand it - hope he goes away
JuneMay
Profile Joined May 2011
49 Posts
December 14 2011 11:03 GMT
#1120
I'm so happy that this happened. Anyone remember incident like this in BW? I think that Naniwa is trying to make some kind of bad boy image too hard now. Also meaningless game? It was game that decide 4th and 5th place in group. Also its game that decide who will be better placed Nani vs Nestea (biggest rivals?), but since no money was involved its ok to skip it? That's very rude and he deserved this punishment.
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