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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
perestain
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany308 Posts
December 14 2011 11:04 GMT
#1141
On December 14 2011 20:01 mtvacuum wrote:
for the people that are trying to argue that a probe rush is a legitimate strat for someone trying to win, please, just stop...

A fake sloppy fourgate against nestea would not be anymore likely to win but would have been considered acceptable. Double standards right there.
No matter how hot it gets, sooner or later there's a cool breeze coming in.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
December 14 2011 11:04 GMT
#1142
Forfeiting the match would be terrible sportsmanship. Probe rushing is even below that. It's a straight FU to the fans, opponent, and GOM. I'm glad GOM took the issue of professionalism seriously. Someone has to, and it's definitely not Naniwa.
日本語が分かりますか
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
December 14 2011 11:04 GMT
#1143
On December 14 2011 20:01 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:01 theBALLS wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:00 johanreidel wrote:
I guess this is a cultural thing where appearance trumps honesty, to bad Naniwa comes from a culture where it's the reversed.

Remember kids, it's all about saving face and keeping up appearances! Honesty is for losers...

Way to insult the Korean culture. Way to go.

Because the opposite isnt done here daily in order to defend it.


I love your posts in this thread Serpico (non-sarcasm).
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
December 14 2011 11:04 GMT
#1144
On December 14 2011 20:02 Vari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:00 Lakai wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:58 Vari wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:57 Luppy1 wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:55 SedativeDev wrote:
THIS IS STUPIDITY!!

well, when the next gsl is on air i will not tune in... simple as that

i won't watch some hypocrites with double standards.
GOM now looks a little bit more kespa...


What double standard? Care to explain?

people don't know what the word hypocrite or the phrase double standard actually mean

evidenced by plenty of posts in this thread.

Remove player for damaging the integrity of competition, randomly add two players to code S without qualifying. I see no hypocrisy here.

there are spots that need to be filled and how they fill them is up to them. and they weren't random choices... idra is never a random choice. he brings lots of viewers with him, for example.

no integrity has been damaged by them seeding foreigners.

Oh come on, they are adding foreigners to keep their quota and the viewers. Otherwise it would have been a mini tournament or something.
- ಠ_ಠ - | disinfect wrote: AHAHHAHAHA 2DG FUCK ME ALREADY.
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
December 14 2011 11:04 GMT
#1145
a good punishment relative to the act. If it was anymore severe of an action, he'd be kicked out of team and banned for months in Korea, this is really an appropriate sanction on Naniwa, teach him a lesson about life. To all the supporters of Naniwa that spammed "you mad?" or "I am so counter-culture by supporting Naniwa's selfish behaviour", this is life, not the whole world revolves around one person, people can't just do whatever shit they want with no consequences in society.
MCMXVI
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1193 Posts
December 14 2011 11:04 GMT
#1146
On December 14 2011 19:50 Dubpace wrote:
Yeah to be honest I thought 1 year suspension was incoming.

Naniwa gave up on a game that people paid a lot of money to potentially watch. I was in particular interested in this matchup and stayed up til 7am waiting to watch him vs. Nestea.

A lot of money? Seriously? I mean, everything is relative... but if you divide 10 bucks on the amount of games played during this Blizz cup, it amounts to cents or pennies.
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tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
December 14 2011 11:04 GMT
#1147
On December 14 2011 19:55 Tofugrinder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:53 Serpico wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:52 iCemiLo wrote:
lol @ the ppl thinking that probe rushing is the same as 6-pooling, 1-1-1-ing, and manner mule-ing...

So intentionally trying to make fun of your opponent is more honorable than not trying to win? I'd say both are unacceptable.


111/6 pool are solid strategies, so no they are definately not unacceptable

manner muleing etc is a different story and (in my personal opinion) should not be tolerated, but it looks like the koreans feel different about it


Well that's the thing it's all so subjective. I get annoyed seeing BM winning ceremonies by Korean players sometimes but nobody ever bats an eyelid at Gom. For some of us those sort of things are far more offensive than this.

Yes, It was unnecessary for Naniwa to throw the game in such an obvious way but it's also unnecessary to drop manner mules, make units dance and build manner hatcheries and nexuses in so many games. It's for no reason other than to aggravate the opponent. I would like to see them be more consistent- either there's no screwing around at all in games or there isn't. Otherwise it just looks like politics and favoritism.

OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
December 14 2011 11:04 GMT
#1148
On December 14 2011 19:57 cutler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:40 o)_Saurus wrote:
So to sum things up:

Naniwa got kicked out of german EPS.
Naniwa got kicked out of IEM.
Naniwa got kicked out of Code S.

Seriously, can you still say that he is "misunderstood"?



Best Comment! Made my day. Thank you Sir! 4 Internets for you



^ this look at his history guys he isn't changing his attitude
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Anton K
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden277 Posts
December 14 2011 11:05 GMT
#1149
Well I am refunding my Gom ticket for sure.

I don't agree with what Naniwa did but this is fucking ridiculous.
Cocacooh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1510 Posts
December 14 2011 11:05 GMT
#1150
Why not fine him and move on... Kicking him out is to harsh.
SilverLeagueElite
Profile Joined April 2010
United States626 Posts
December 14 2011 11:05 GMT
#1151
Naniwa kicked out of EPS, drama ensues.
Complexity transfers Naniwa to QxG, drama ensues.
Naniwa 6 probe rushes, drama ensues.

All unrelated and separate but guess what the common factor in all of them is. Not a hater or a fan, just sayin.
Spiner
Profile Joined February 2011
United States360 Posts
December 14 2011 11:05 GMT
#1152
On December 14 2011 20:00 trucane wrote:
Lol at people calling naniwa defender "butt hurt". If anyone is butt hurt it's GOM. Naniwa tells them he wants to forfeit the last game because it has meaning but they force him to play it out and when he does play it out and loses on purpose they get so mad just because he didn't respect their stupid decision. Also later on they revoke his seed and slander him publicly.

Yes the Naniwa defenders are certainly the ones that are butt hurt....

GOM has shown us how immature and childish they are and I for one is gonna vote with my wallets, no more tickets for me


Why is nearly everyone from Sweden defending him? Blind nationalism eh?
ilikeLIONZ
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany427 Posts
December 14 2011 11:05 GMT
#1153
No more gsl ticket for me. this decision is a joke.
Packawana
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1081 Posts
December 14 2011 11:05 GMT
#1154
It's Korea's tournament, it runs on Korean ideals. They have their own tourneys, we have ours. If the players have a problem with their standards, then they shouldn't play in Korea, and vice-versa. But as long as a player wishes to play within a tournament that is based in a country and is rooted in the culture of a country, they should respect it. Otherwise, they can just leave and go somewhere more acceptable.
"May all your dreaming fill the empty sky."
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 14 2011 11:05 GMT
#1155
Naniwa isn't even banned. He just lost a seed.

He can try to qualify for Code A if he wants. IF he plays really well, he could qualify.
Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
December 14 2011 11:05 GMT
#1156
On December 14 2011 20:03 ptrpb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:00 Desert Fox wrote:
I think GSL has shown a great level of consistency. So much so, that it should have been obvious where Naniwa's actions would lead him. Choya, Byun and Coca are demonstrations of this in their own ways. I think Day9 and Incontrol were spot on in their assessment this past evening that what he did was inappropriate.

I can't think of a better way to punish someone who so obviously has issues mentally with restraining himself from either badmouthing tournaments (see MLG) or conducting themselves unprofessionally (probe rush). I don't think this would have happened if Naniwa was a superb, excellent stand-up guy that everyone looked towards as well mannered. Instead, this is an organization steeped in a culture of professionalism and competitiveness within the mecca of eSports that probably knows who Naniwa is, is aware of his behavior through the grapevine of the Koreans and team houses who take issue with him and who decided that they weren't going to deal with someone like that.

Naniwa needs to realize what a lot of hard-headed and stubborn people who think they can justify their actions with "Well, I didn't break any rules!!" need to realize: the world is all about perspectives. From his perspective, what he did was fine. If it wasn't, he wouldn't have done it. And his apology rings hollow like so many others he's given now because that's not who he is. He needs to learn how to mask how much of a scummy individual he is much better. That digresses from my main point: that their perspective is not the only one and usually, it isn't the one that matters. From the perspective of almost the entire community he was a guest in, he was offensive.

That's all that really matters.

I personally thought his behavior was poor just because it's one more bad decision in a long line of bad decisions. Even someone moderately following the scene is aware of this, so again, I figure GSL nipped this far past it's expiration date.

TL;DR: Don't act like a shithead your entire career and expect each incident to be treated differently. At some point, people grow tired of you and will use every incident, even the most insignificant one, to burn you to death. I would handle it no differently and I don't. I'm not about redemption.

GOMTV is so consistent about broadcasting meaningless games.. oh wait they haven't done it until the Blizzard cup.
Oh.


They casted naniwas GSL games, right? More meaningless games where he gets shit on.
And it continued last night until he went SO ON TILT that he through a fucking hissy fit and gave up.
Good for gom for punishing the selfish kid.
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
December 14 2011 11:05 GMT
#1157
Already stopped watching GSL because of their horrible format but this is a fucking joke.

It's ok though, because the international SC2 scene have an infinite amount of awesome tournaments.
We make signature, then defense it.
ToAnyone
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada326 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:07:53
December 14 2011 11:05 GMT
#1158
On December 14 2011 19:59 hongyLOVE wrote:
Blizzard Cup was made so you can WATCH the BEST of the BEST play each other. It really is nothing more than a show match with a big prize pool for US (the fans).. and Naniwa should have known that going in, why ELSE would they make everyone play each other once. Even if you have no chance of going into the next round, you should still PUT ON A SHOW!

If anything, show some respect to your opponent too. It was basically saying, you know what, you're not even worth my time and effort because I'm not getting any extra money for it.

And people saying "Oh if Naniwa were Korean they (GOM) wouldn't have reacted that way". That's because they wouldn't have to, the TEAM would have given him a harsher punishment. (Coca)

AND the people saying "No Naniwa, No yearly ticket". OH please. I think it's dumb that you'd buy a ticket solely based on one player.



well said, totally agree 100% with everything u said

if people buy the yearly ticket and naniwa gets knocked out quickly, pretty sure those ppl are still gonna watch the rest of the GSL's lol
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anomalopidae
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Slovenia549 Posts
December 14 2011 11:05 GMT
#1159
On December 14 2011 20:02 GwSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:00 johanreidel wrote:
I guess this is a cultural thing where appearance trumps honesty, to bad Naniwa comes from a culture where it's the reversed.

Remember kids, it's all about saving face and keeping up appearances! Honesty is for losers...


Way to insult both Korean and Swedish culture in the same post, even if you only meant to insult Korean culture.


do you think Swedes are offended by being called honest instead of shady appearance-keeping hypocrites?
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nugget-92
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia83 Posts
December 14 2011 11:05 GMT
#1160
If GOM is going to host the Global Starcraft League and actually work at inviting foreign players to travel to their country to participate it is abhorrent for GOM to completely ignore the fact that these players will come from different cultures.

Any reasonable organisation that plans to host a Global event has to accept that people from countries outside their own will have different ideals and will not act in a manner that will conform to you strict cultural sensibilities.

Complexity and Quantic have now suffered significant financial damages because of this decision. Furthermore, Naniwa has invested significant time and effort into participating in this league and is now suspended.


GOM has even stated that Naniwa is a money-hungry player. This suggests that GOM probably did not consult Naniwa before they made their decision. Why? Because Naniwa has maintained and shown that, whilst he is introverted and has trouble keeping his emotions in check, his aspirations lie with being the best.
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