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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
h41fgod
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden377 Posts
December 14 2011 11:07 GMT
#1181
On December 14 2011 20:05 Spiner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:00 trucane wrote:
Lol at people calling naniwa defender "butt hurt". If anyone is butt hurt it's GOM. Naniwa tells them he wants to forfeit the last game because it has meaning but they force him to play it out and when he does play it out and loses on purpose they get so mad just because he didn't respect their stupid decision. Also later on they revoke his seed and slander him publicly.

Yes the Naniwa defenders are certainly the ones that are butt hurt....

GOM has shown us how immature and childish they are and I for one is gonna vote with my wallets, no more tickets for me


Why is nearly everyone from Sweden defending him? Blind nationalism eh?

Why is everyone from Korea hating on him? Yeah.
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:08:20
December 14 2011 11:07 GMT
#1182
On December 14 2011 20:04 galenkan wrote:
All I see here is a clash of culture...

If GOM is trying to cater to koreans, who are demandiing more of Naniwa (and GOMTV is trying to keep the korean viewerbase) then it's the right course of action.

there's no fucking culture clash!

either starcraft is a sport, or it isn't

what i see, is a bunch of newbie foreigners who don't understand what "e-sport" truly means

do they not have league structure sports outside of the US or something? professional atheletes are expected to play games which "don't matter" at the end of the season all the time, and if any of the players were to go into an interview and babble on about how the game didn't matter so they didn't try, they'd get thrown off the team in a minute

it said right in the rules of the blizzard cup, that they would be playing a full league format
aaaaa
Hitcher
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Belgium23 Posts
December 14 2011 11:07 GMT
#1183
I think this is a vast overreaction concidering the game he threw simply did not matter. However, I do not think it's unexpected since Koreans have very high sportsmanship standards, I have mixed feelings about this.
#ImHitcher on Twitter, follow me! Losing.. Is learning.
GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
December 14 2011 11:07 GMT
#1184
On December 14 2011 20:05 anomalopidae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:02 GwSC wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:00 johanreidel wrote:
I guess this is a cultural thing where appearance trumps honesty, to bad Naniwa comes from a culture where it's the reversed.

Remember kids, it's all about saving face and keeping up appearances! Honesty is for losers...


Way to insult both Korean and Swedish culture in the same post, even if you only meant to insult Korean culture.


do you think Swedes are offended by being called honest instead of shady appearance-keeping hypocrites?


No, by that guy attributing Naniwa's immaturity and lack of professionalism to Swedish culture.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
December 14 2011 11:07 GMT
#1185
On December 14 2011 20:04 ethos wrote:
He could have just spent 5, at most 10 minutes of his fucking life hashing out the last game, but instead he throws it, doing something that is obviously disrespectful to Gom?

Did you really think Gom would just sit idly by while someone gets on their stage and disrespects them?
How would that make them look?

It amazes me that such a large portion of the community supports this (obvious disrespect).
Some of you are like the kids that support Kanye.


What do you expect, a vast majority of the people that follow "E-SPORTS" are below 20.
Most of the posts here are written in an emotional state without any rational thought behind it.

No one should really question that Nani should receive a punishment imo, but the severity of it could be.
wat
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
December 14 2011 11:07 GMT
#1186
I am going to claim a refund on my ticket if I don't see NaNi @ group selections. A lot of people aren't serious about it, but I am for sure going to do it if he isn't there. I will not support these decisions with my money.
#freeshauni
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
December 14 2011 11:07 GMT
#1187
On December 14 2011 20:05 Spiner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:00 trucane wrote:
Lol at people calling naniwa defender "butt hurt". If anyone is butt hurt it's GOM. Naniwa tells them he wants to forfeit the last game because it has meaning but they force him to play it out and when he does play it out and loses on purpose they get so mad just because he didn't respect their stupid decision. Also later on they revoke his seed and slander him publicly.

Yes the Naniwa defenders are certainly the ones that are butt hurt....

GOM has shown us how immature and childish they are and I for one is gonna vote with my wallets, no more tickets for me


Why is nearly everyone from Sweden defending him? Blind nationalism eh?

Don't use that as an excuse, it's not only Swede's defending him.
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
December 14 2011 11:07 GMT
#1188
On December 14 2011 20:06 Fade1 wrote:
This is just so fucking dumb... I will not buy a pass because of this

K, support childish unprofessionalism, not just shown last night.
Its cool, celebs can do anything they want.
sickra
Profile Joined March 2011
68 Posts
December 14 2011 11:08 GMT
#1189
On December 14 2011 20:03 laggikoN wrote:
Well, that's me not watching GOM anymore, fucking ridiculous, "Dont dont have meaningless matches if you want players to take them seriously."



Don't join a tournament, in which you are well aware of the format beforehand, if your just going to fucking throw games.
FORCEFIELD CAGE MARAUDER DIE DIE!!!
brentsen
Profile Joined November 2010
1252 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:09:08
December 14 2011 11:08 GMT
#1190
On December 14 2011 20:04 perestain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:01 mtvacuum wrote:
for the people that are trying to argue that a probe rush is a legitimate strat for someone trying to win, please, just stop...

A fake sloppy fourgate against nestea would not be anymore likely to win but would have been considered acceptable. Double standards right there.

It's not quite a fake standard, in other sports you often see teams that can't advance anymore not giving their best effort, that's very common. But they would never do ridiculous things like scoring own goals or whatever... so yeah, it makes a difference to play a lackluster game or decide to not try at all.
I still think the punishment is too harsh though, a warning would have been enough imho.
Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
December 14 2011 11:08 GMT
#1191
On December 14 2011 20:02 sickra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:57 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
I just e-mailed gom saying how i feel. i would urge everyone that cares about fairness and predictability and professionalism in e-sports to do the same.

YES, you heard me right, professionalism! Professionalism is not coming up with stupid rules when things have already happened, to try to justify punishing people you dont like



I just emailed GOM to praise them. No professional league in any sport would ever tolerate players throwing games. This punishment will prevent same thing from happening in the future.

Yes he was getting payed to play in the league regardless of what anyone says. Weather the game means nothing or w/e he still had a responsibility to play to the best of his ability.

I hate how people keep saying the games didnt matter so why should he play. You realise THATS WHAT PROGAMERS DO ALL DAY EVERYDAY right? They play games that dont matter for the sake of practice to get better. Most other players would have probably looked at that match at the very least to get a lan game against one of the best zergs in the world.

So should naniwa probe rush every practice game as well , because they dont matter? by alot of your logics he should....
Packawana
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1081 Posts
December 14 2011 11:08 GMT
#1192
On December 14 2011 20:05 anomalopidae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:02 GwSC wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:00 johanreidel wrote:
I guess this is a cultural thing where appearance trumps honesty, to bad Naniwa comes from a culture where it's the reversed.

Remember kids, it's all about saving face and keeping up appearances! Honesty is for losers...


Way to insult both Korean and Swedish culture in the same post, even if you only meant to insult Korean culture.


do you think Swedes are offended by being called honest instead of shady appearance-keeping hypocrites?


Who the hell are you to call Koreans appearance-keeping hypocrites? Have you lived there, are you part of that culture, are you some sort of higher authority on this planet that you can pass judgement on a people?

You see, when people do stupid things like this, we practically give them the right to respond in kind. And then tell me, who the hell is right or wrong then? It's certainly not you, and it's certainly not them.
"May all your dreaming fill the empty sky."
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
December 14 2011 11:08 GMT
#1193
On December 14 2011 20:07 h41fgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:05 Spiner wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:00 trucane wrote:
Lol at people calling naniwa defender "butt hurt". If anyone is butt hurt it's GOM. Naniwa tells them he wants to forfeit the last game because it has meaning but they force him to play it out and when he does play it out and loses on purpose they get so mad just because he didn't respect their stupid decision. Also later on they revoke his seed and slander him publicly.

Yes the Naniwa defenders are certainly the ones that are butt hurt....

GOM has shown us how immature and childish they are and I for one is gonna vote with my wallets, no more tickets for me


Why is nearly everyone from Sweden defending him? Blind nationalism eh?

Why is everyone from Korea hating on him? Yeah.


which is why he wants to remain in korea amirite? he must love all the hate he's getting there.
LamaMitHut
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany187 Posts
December 14 2011 11:08 GMT
#1194
On December 14 2011 19:55 Vardant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:54 JoeSchmoe wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:52 Vardant wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:49 LXR wrote:
I don't understand how people view this as GOM making a joke out of themselves, if anything, it just shows their higher standards and a greater level of respect that i think are only necessary for e-sports...

They forced a player to play a meaningless game for the first time.

I could just as well say, that GOM was disrespectful towards Naniwa, because they forced him to play against Nestea, just so he can have his revenge.

Might actually be true, I wouldn't believe that two days ago, but after what stunt they just pulled? Who knows...


so disrespectful that GOM paid Naniwa $850 to play in the group stages.

And he did...but never in the history of GSL were the players forced to play a game, that didn't matter, until now.


so he was forced to play the game we all hate so much!?

poor naniwa.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 14 2011 11:08 GMT
#1195
Naniwa's rude behavior has nothing to do with his Swedish culture. Every other Swede who went to Korea had no problems.

Naniwa has been banned from other tournaments before and is notorious for being so unprofessional he's pretty hated by every tournament and the dozen teams he's formerly played for. The problem is Naniwa's attitude.
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
December 14 2011 11:08 GMT
#1196
I saw this one coming. Since his career Naniwa was fucking with nearly everyone important he met.
ESL, Blizzard, MLG and now GSL. He wanted to become more mature but apparently he still is the flaming kid with no respect at all.
You just dont do things like that in that enviorment. Especially not in korea.

Its true that the penalty is too harsh but something had to be done. Not the best decision, but I think its a good move to punish Naniwa for his disrespectful behavior he is showing in nearly every tournament he is participating in.

After all it cant be undone by both sides and maybe Naniwa will learn (again) from this and start to mature more and gets an inject of professionalism.

Bad move but its good to do a move!
Rixi
Profile Joined April 2011
Spain77 Posts
December 14 2011 11:08 GMT
#1197
bad decision from GOM, they shouldn't have had his seed revoked when part of the problem is their fault and actually its not that big a deal what happened.
But Naniwa should grow up and stop with his behaviour,he had it coming. not smart at all.
Proud Atheist
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:09:33
December 14 2011 11:08 GMT
#1198
On December 14 2011 20:06 pinball777 wrote:
Doesn't matter what route GOM decides to do. If they don't get rid of him, then Koreans upset. If they do get rid of him, the West is upset. Either way some people will be upset, at least GOM is choosing the route of protecting their tournament rather than their audience which I agree with.



Then why are they inviting Sen and IdrA for Free Spots into code S.... to protect their tournament? No they're doing it to get more viewers.(Protecting Audience)

GOM TV needs to Rescind their decision from removing Naniwa from Code S....

Can you not see the hypocrisy here?
Never GG MKP | IdrA
Chicodog
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark154 Posts
December 14 2011 11:08 GMT
#1199
I don't know what's fair or if taking away his seed is the "right" choice, but my law degree tells me that Naniwa has a really good case if he decides to take legal action.
Honga
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia64 Posts
December 14 2011 11:08 GMT
#1200
Well I had a problem with it until I had a first hand view at his attitude Here
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