EPTOn December 14 2011 19:59 tnud wrote:
Naniwa is one of the best protoss in the world lol
Naniwa is one of the best protoss in the world lol
being good doesn't implie you can act like an asshole
Great move by gom
NaNiwa not invited to Code S - Page 57
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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Hane
France210 Posts
being good doesn't implie you can act like an asshole Great move by gom | ||
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anrimayu
United States875 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:00 johanreidel wrote: I guess this is a cultural thing where appearance trumps honesty, to bad Naniwa comes from a culture where it's the reversed. Remember kids, it's all about saving face and keeping up appearances! Honesty is for losers... I was gonna say something, but then I saw you're from Sweden. | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:02 GwSC wrote: Way to insult both Korean and Swedish culture in the same post, even if you only meant to insult Korean culture. Someone please ban that idiot. He is incredibly insulting. User was warned for this post | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:02 bigjenk wrote: One by his own team because gom wouldn't and one by the government because he broke the law. If SlayerS didn't punish CoCa, GOM for sure would have. SlayerS took action first to take responsibility for one of their players embarrassing them. | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:40 o)_Saurus wrote: So to sum things up: Naniwa got kicked out of german EPS. Naniwa got kicked out of IEM. Naniwa got kicked out of Code S. Seriously, can you still say that he is "misunderstood"? Not to mention that whole road to korea debacle with rakaka did yoou see how offended that one guy was in the youtube video about naniwas actions. They vowed to never let him in another one of their tournaments ever again. I dont understand swedish so i dont know what he was saying but he was fuming. I dont understand how people can still say hes misunderstood after this. Esports is taken alot more seriously in korea as well (like it would be in the westif it had been ingrained in our culture for the past 10 years) so things like this have bigger repurcusions then maybe they would in the states. Although I still think all tournaments should frown upon stuff like this, it just pisses off the fans and probably the sponsors of the player as well. | ||
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bikefrog
Norway451 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:52 nekoconeco wrote: Gom rules mean any strategy deemed "abusive" could lead to a ban. The rule is supposed to mean verbal or physical abuse but gom haven't applied it that way so I guess we shall see what other unjustified bans may come in the future. Right if they are applying that rule in this case its a bit scary because they could technically just use it anytime. I mean how are you gonna prove Mr. Chae wasnt offended. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
That being said its still not an appropriate punishment. A fine is customary in most sports for behaviour that hurts the professional image of the sport/game and I dont see why that shouldn't be the case here. I absolutely abhor Naniwa for some of the insider rumors about what he's done to other people at tournaments etc and if you people knew about those none of you would even be supporting him as a player. But that's beside the point when it comes to punishing a player for something done in a tournament. | ||
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:01 theBALLS wrote: Way to insult the Korean culture. Way to go. It definitively is what people defending korean culture as being superior are saying just with a bit of sarcasm. | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:00 Desert Fox wrote: I think GSL has shown a great level of consistency. So much so, that it should have been obvious where Naniwa's actions would lead him. Choya, Byun and Coca are demonstrations of this in their own ways. I think Day9 and Incontrol were spot on in their assessment this past evening that what he did was inappropriate. I can't think of a better way to punish someone who so obviously has issues mentally with restraining himself from either badmouthing tournaments (see MLG) or conducting themselves unprofessionally (probe rush). I don't think this would have happened if Naniwa was a superb, excellent stand-up guy that everyone looked towards as well mannered. Instead, this is an organization steeped in a culture of professionalism and competitiveness within the mecca of eSports that probably knows who Naniwa is, is aware of his behavior through the grapevine of the Koreans and team houses who take issue with him and who decided that they weren't going to deal with someone like that. Naniwa needs to realize what a lot of hard-headed and stubborn people who think they can justify their actions with "Well, I didn't break any rules!!" need to realize: the world is all about perspectives. From his perspective, what he did was fine. If it wasn't, he wouldn't have done it. And his apology rings hollow like so many others he's given now because that's not who he is. He needs to learn how to mask how much of a scummy individual he is much better. That digresses from my main point: that their perspective is not the only one and usually, it isn't the one that matters. From the perspective of almost the entire community he was a guest in, he was offensive. That's all that really matters. I personally thought his behavior was poor just because it's one more bad decision in a long line of bad decisions. Even someone moderately following the scene is aware of this, so again, I figure GSL nipped this far past it's expiration date. TL;DR: Don't act like a shithead your entire career and expect each incident to be treated differently. At some point, people grow tired of you and will use every incident, even the most insignificant one, to burn you to death. I would handle it no differently and I don't. I'm not about redemption. GOMTV is so consistent about broadcasting meaningless games.. oh wait they haven't done it until the Blizzard cup. Oh. | ||
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Bulkers
Poland509 Posts
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laggikoN
Sweden213 Posts
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iG.Forever
Korea (South)148 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:00 Highways wrote: So say in poker, someone goes all-in with a low percentage hande (eg. three high) because he is tilted, should he be banned? do you know the equity of 23o or 23s vs any other 2? trust me its a lot more than probe rushing.... dont use the poker analogy plz thx | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:00 Highways wrote: So say in poker, someone goes all-in with a low percentage hande (eg. three high) because he is tilted, should he be banned? this is more like playing a game of football and just standing there while the other team kicks the ball into your goal over and over | ||
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ethos
Korea (South)26 Posts
Did you really think Gom would just sit idly by while someone gets on their stage and disrespects them? How would that make them look? It amazes me that such a large portion of the community supports this (obvious disrespect). Some of you are like the kids that support Kanye. | ||
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CScythe
Canada810 Posts
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andaylin
United States10830 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:02 ChoboKal wrote: Complexity is grinning so much right now! yeah complexity got it pretty lucky, sucks for quantic. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:01 kickinhead wrote: OMG, is GSL turning into KeSpa? If more ridiculous rulings like that happen, I'll definitely stop watching GSL. It's already boring with so few foreigners, now they ban Nani for reacting like a normal Person to their stupid Format?.... some people want to win games because they believe they are good players and want to show that to the world. is that not normal? | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours" Naniwa broke this ruley obviously. It was "absusive behaviour" and major parts of the audience as well as his oppenent were offended by this. I would personally agreed more to a fine (like 50% of his GSL January prizemoney and at least 1.000.000 won, something like this) but a one season ban seems a little harsch. However I expected it since there were so heavy reactions in Korea, and they take their pride a lot more important, than we do in the western world. So in my oppinion it's the hardest punishment that's acceptable. The main question will be, if Naniwa tries to qualify for GSL again, or if he ends this chapter completely. | ||
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galenkan
39 Posts
If GOM is trying to cater to koreans, who are demandiing more of Naniwa (and GOMTV is trying to keep the korean viewerbase) then it's the right course of action. | ||
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