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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 19:55 labbe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:53 jalstar wrote:On December 14 2011 19:52 mrtomjones wrote:On December 14 2011 19:47 Ninjahoe wrote:
NaNi played MLGs ALL FUCKING YEAR LONG for this Code S seed, and they take it away for something like this.
Fucking retarded shit, obviously not thought through, just a snap-judgement-decision.
Joke joke joke joke fucking terrible joke
And everyone saying he deserved it and swedish ppl are definding him because he's swedish - That's fucking retarded, people defending him are the only ones thinking with a clear fucking mind.
I'm not saying what he did was good, and he deserves to be notified. Maybe a warning, to let him know that hey, that's not something we support for our invites, if you do something like that again you're out.
But not taking away something he worked hard for an entire year, now that's fucking retarded. You clearly are thinking with a clear mind. Thats why you repeat words over and over and rage swear multiple times. THIS IS THE WARNING. It could have been much worse. And if you don't think they thought it through you are just so so naive. Much worse? I'm surprised people are defending this, I'd love to hear the arguments of people who would defend a lifetime ban. People are defending this since Naniwa has more haters than any other player out there. This isn't about what they think about the punishment, it's about what they think of him as a person.
naniwa has a history of bm and disrespect to tournament officials. he was banned in several tournaments. but obviously nothing is going to get through your swedish bias.
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On December 14 2011 19:55 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:53 valaki wrote:
LorangerChris Chris Loranger
if it was a korean player, they would be out of gsl for months, kicked out of team house, and etc. is he perma baned or just this season?
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yupp So he's right because? There's already precedence to say he's wrong (Choya).
You are comparing what Choya did on ladder to what Naniwa did on broadcasted television?
Choya frankly is grandmaster level anyway and would have made it back despite Code B restriction. It was more of a playful thing than actually trying to cheat the system. And he got banned from GSTL anyway.
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On December 14 2011 19:56 dakalro wrote:
Well, cbf GSL anymore if they consider probe all in abusive. Where is it written in their rules? What other all ins are abusive?
Their choice but it has no support for this one. They should add it for following offenses.
Naniwa literally stated he threw the game.
Justify that please.
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On December 14 2011 19:43 ReaperX wrote:Gom should have been professional about being professional. 
Why did Mr. Chae (as a representative of GOM) have to call Naniwa an "amateur prize hunter". That is so childish. Even if you think you have been wronged, be the bigger person/company. I would have been fine with their revocation of Naniwa's Code S spot (whether I agree with it or not is irrelevant) as that is their decision, but slandering like that is extremely unprofessional and damages themselves more than Naniwa ever could.
Naniwa's reputation has been reduced in my eyes, but GOM and SC2 e-sports in general has been reduced more in reputation from Mr. Chae's comment. If he didn't say that, I would be completely unoffended by this incident, however unfortunate it is to Naniwa and GOM.
In all seriousness, that statement has made me lose my will to watch any Starcraft tournament games ever again, and I watch a lot. Not just GOM, but everything, I can't recommend Starcraft spectatorship to anyone if the most prestigious tournament organisers acts so unprofessionally. Better things to do with my time.
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On December 14 2011 19:52 Vardant wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:49 LXR wrote:
I don't understand how people view this as GOM making a joke out of themselves, if anything, it just shows their higher standards and a greater level of respect that i think are only necessary for e-sports... They forced a player to play a meaningless game for the first time. I could just as well say, that GOM was disrespectful towards Naniwa, because they forced him to play against Nestea, just so he can have his revenge. Might actually be true, I wouldn't believe that two days ago, but after what stunt they just pulled? Who knows...
No one forced him to do anything. He knew the format going in. If he didn't agree to the format. He should have refused the invite. I paid good money and I want to be entertained.
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On December 14 2011 19:54 tetrismaan wrote:
I would just love to see Idra get on a tilt and do something similiar in the GSL, and then see what the fuck happens.
Everyone knows nothing would happen. Hes done stupid stuff before in the GSL and nothing happened, despite actually BREAKING rules, unlike Naniwa.
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On December 14 2011 19:55 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:53 jalstar wrote:On December 14 2011 19:52 mrtomjones wrote:On December 14 2011 19:47 Ninjahoe wrote:
NaNi played MLGs ALL FUCKING YEAR LONG for this Code S seed, and they take it away for something like this.
Fucking retarded shit, obviously not thought through, just a snap-judgement-decision.
Joke joke joke joke fucking terrible joke
And everyone saying he deserved it and swedish ppl are definding him because he's swedish - That's fucking retarded, people defending him are the only ones thinking with a clear fucking mind.
I'm not saying what he did was good, and he deserves to be notified. Maybe a warning, to let him know that hey, that's not something we support for our invites, if you do something like that again you're out.
But not taking away something he worked hard for an entire year, now that's fucking retarded. You clearly are thinking with a clear mind. Thats why you repeat words over and over and rage swear multiple times. THIS IS THE WARNING. It could have been much worse. And if you don't think they thought it through you are just so so naive. Much worse? I'm surprised people are defending this, I'd love to hear the arguments of people who would defend a lifetime ban. You obviously have no insite into the Asian culture or into professionalism in general so no point explaining anything. I never said a lifetime ban anyways.
Oh please, any action is rationalized away with "It's their culture." It isnt even a real reason.
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On December 14 2011 19:55 SedativeDev wrote:
THIS IS STUPIDITY!!
well, when the next gsl is on air i will not tune in... simple as that
i won't watch some hypocrites with double standards.
GOM now looks a little bit more kespa...
What double standard? Care to explain?
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He should have known how important is respect in Korea since he lives there for a long time. His decision to probe rush like that was stupid.
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On December 14 2011 19:55 RatInPink wrote:
HAHAHA
Next time GOM have to put in their rules that probe/drone/scv rushes are banned from the game xD or else u get banned for it
and u cant get the opponent mad or the fans mad on u then u get the same treatment.
This is probbebly the biggest joke so far.
he threw the game, he said so
don't compare it to an all in, that's not what it was.
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Umm.. there is no rule stating 'no worker rush' is there.. GSL making up rules as they see fit isn't exactly that great either.. But so it goes.
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I just e-mailed gom saying how i feel. i would urge everyone that cares about fairness and predictability and professionalism in e-sports to do the same.
YES, you heard me right, professionalism! Professionalism is not coming up with stupid rules when things have already happened, to try to justify punishing people you dont like
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On December 14 2011 19:47 NaquadahEOD wrote:
This might be the most retarded thing I ever heard in my fucking life...
I guarantee NOBODY besides 16 year old faggots were offended. I doubt even GOM was offended. Public uproar probably pressured them to overreact. It's dumb.
I'd rather see a 6 probe rush over a 6pool. At least then it's entertaining.
It's obvious that you didn't watch the game.
Guys, it seems that alot of you didn't watch this "probe rush", it was a pure A-move, no micro or anything. Immediate GG.
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On December 14 2011 19:57 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:55 mrtomjones wrote:On December 14 2011 19:53 jalstar wrote:On December 14 2011 19:52 mrtomjones wrote:On December 14 2011 19:47 Ninjahoe wrote:
NaNi played MLGs ALL FUCKING YEAR LONG for this Code S seed, and they take it away for something like this.
Fucking retarded shit, obviously not thought through, just a snap-judgement-decision.
Joke joke joke joke fucking terrible joke
And everyone saying he deserved it and swedish ppl are definding him because he's swedish - That's fucking retarded, people defending him are the only ones thinking with a clear fucking mind.
I'm not saying what he did was good, and he deserves to be notified. Maybe a warning, to let him know that hey, that's not something we support for our invites, if you do something like that again you're out.
But not taking away something he worked hard for an entire year, now that's fucking retarded. You clearly are thinking with a clear mind. Thats why you repeat words over and over and rage swear multiple times. THIS IS THE WARNING. It could have been much worse. And if you don't think they thought it through you are just so so naive. Much worse? I'm surprised people are defending this, I'd love to hear the arguments of people who would defend a lifetime ban. You obviously have no insite into the Asian culture or into professionalism in general so no point explaining anything. I never said a lifetime ban anyways. Oh please, any action is rationalized away with "It's their culture." It isnt even a real reason.
You do know that the reasoning why you are arguing is because of your culture right?
It isnt even a real reason. See what I just did?
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On December 14 2011 19:40 o)_Saurus wrote:
So to sum things up:
Naniwa got kicked out of german EPS.
Naniwa got kicked out of IEM.
Naniwa got kicked out of Code S.
Seriously, can you still say that he is "misunderstood"?
Best Comment! Made my day. Thank you Sir! 4 Internets for you
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well GOMTV obvious got pissed that Naniwa did this as a respons to them not letting him forefit. Its childis, disrespectfull and just so unprofessional from GOMTV that you just can not belive it.
And I just wonder how they will rule all the future disrespect issues, like winner ceremonies, droping mules, building nexus, cc, hatch in base etc. Because that is disrespecting your opponent and GOMTV has now said that it will be punished with you getting kicked out.
Way to go GOMTV!!
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On December 14 2011 19:51 tetrismaan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:48 hYrasD wrote:On December 14 2011 19:44 snailz wrote:
GOMTV lost a lot of love today Nani lost a lot more love yesterday No he gained a lot more love because he doesn't give a flying fuck about playing pointless games. He showed us that he is only playing to win. Like a real champion. If it's a GLOBAL starcraft league, then why should they adapt to the Korean culture? They should've known that when they accept players from different cultures, they will also accept their ways of behaving (ofcourse to a certain extend). This is just such an ignorant move by GOMtv.
Real champion my ass. A real champion would be embarrassed to go out of a tournament with zero wins. He would be happy that he had one more game to play, that he had one more chance to prove himself and get at least one win. Instead, he threw a temper tantrum, and took away Nestea's chance to get a legitimate win.
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On December 14 2011 19:56 baoluvboa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:55 Serpico wrote:On December 14 2011 19:53 valaki wrote:
LorangerChris Chris Loranger
if it was a korean player, they would be out of gsl for months, kicked out of team house, and etc. is he perma baned or just this season?
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yupp So he's right because? There's already precedence to say he's wrong (Choya). You are comparing what Choya did on ladder to what Naniwa did on broadcasted television? Choya frankly is grandmaster level anyway and would have made it back despite Code B restriction. It was more of a playful thing than actually trying to cheat the system. And he got banned from GSTL anyway.
WHAT? You're saying cheating isnt as bad as probe rushing? WOW, just wow, I guess you arent here to be open minded. Good lord.
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On December 14 2011 19:55 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:53 jalstar wrote:On December 14 2011 19:52 mrtomjones wrote:On December 14 2011 19:47 Ninjahoe wrote:
NaNi played MLGs ALL FUCKING YEAR LONG for this Code S seed, and they take it away for something like this.
Fucking retarded shit, obviously not thought through, just a snap-judgement-decision.
Joke joke joke joke fucking terrible joke
And everyone saying he deserved it and swedish ppl are definding him because he's swedish - That's fucking retarded, people defending him are the only ones thinking with a clear fucking mind.
I'm not saying what he did was good, and he deserves to be notified. Maybe a warning, to let him know that hey, that's not something we support for our invites, if you do something like that again you're out.
But not taking away something he worked hard for an entire year, now that's fucking retarded. You clearly are thinking with a clear mind. Thats why you repeat words over and over and rage swear multiple times. THIS IS THE WARNING. It could have been much worse. And if you don't think they thought it through you are just so so naive. Much worse? I'm surprised people are defending this, I'd love to hear the arguments of people who would defend a lifetime ban. You obviously have no insite into the Asian culture or into professionalism in general so no point explaining anything. I never said a lifetime ban anyways.
Yeah asian culture in esports shows us inscruatable morals(savior scandle, xb, fruitdealer, coca, choya etc etc etc.)
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On December 14 2011 19:55 labbe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:53 jalstar wrote:On December 14 2011 19:52 mrtomjones wrote:On December 14 2011 19:47 Ninjahoe wrote:
NaNi played MLGs ALL FUCKING YEAR LONG for this Code S seed, and they take it away for something like this.
Fucking retarded shit, obviously not thought through, just a snap-judgement-decision.
Joke joke joke joke fucking terrible joke
And everyone saying he deserved it and swedish ppl are definding him because he's swedish - That's fucking retarded, people defending him are the only ones thinking with a clear fucking mind.
I'm not saying what he did was good, and he deserves to be notified. Maybe a warning, to let him know that hey, that's not something we support for our invites, if you do something like that again you're out.
But not taking away something he worked hard for an entire year, now that's fucking retarded. You clearly are thinking with a clear mind. Thats why you repeat words over and over and rage swear multiple times. THIS IS THE WARNING. It could have been much worse. And if you don't think they thought it through you are just so so naive. Much worse? I'm surprised people are defending this, I'd love to hear the arguments of people who would defend a lifetime ban. People are defending this since Naniwa has more haters than any other player out there. This isn't about what they think about the punishment, it's about what they think of him as a person.
it's kind of hard, objectively, to disconnect the fact that he ragequit a game he should have just played out due to emotions from the fact that he's an emotional flake.
also, people are defending this because there's no reason to take offense to a company banning a player who was contracted to play a game and didn't. the logic is incredibly simple and I just have no idea how anyone could imagine otherwise.
now, a season ban? that's too harsh a punishment from my point of view, but GOM clearly wants to string him up as a warning to others to not come and fuck around in their league.
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